Geelong rorting the system

[btdg]

The football club did, the State Government did, the AFL did, the Federal Government did, and the Geelong council did.
No different to every other stadium

If Carlton had of stayed at Princess Park, and lobbied the same entities, they might also have such a ground for themselves, rather than moving you home ground to Marvel and MCG.

The difference is that the AFL put a gun to Carlton's head and forced us to move.
We didn't have a choice - would happily still be playing at PP otherwise.

The Docklands deals have been awful for Carlton, financially and on field. That was the point, of course.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Main takeaway - Geelong still made more money off 77k at the G. What happened 15 years ago doesn’t mean it applies today.

Missing point as well is now they get 35-40k into the ground not 26k, so make more than the 77k at G

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Geelong will be an appealing destination as long as regional living remains affordable.

Sydney recieved cost of living allowance (COLA) for years to help compensate for high Sydney property prices.

I think it's time the AFL implement do the exact opposite for Geelong and slash their salary cap.

A Carlton supporter giving advice on salary caps.
Now I’ve heard it all.

 

[Purple Suit]

77k x 9 = 693k
35k x 26 = 910k
So um, no, they make less at the G it needs to basically sell out the whole stadium to be comparable

you're also right in that the situation has likely changed. The increase in capacity will have seen better coverage of overheads and we'd be making more in both headcount and per person revenue.

Yes, it’s changed so your sums are worthless in 2024. When the government spends 340m on upgrading a stadium, contracts and cost will change. You need to slowly pay for the 340m, they need 10k from every one of those seats over time to do that or an agreed proportion. It’s not free.

The G could be different too since it’s been 15 years. Deals and revenues flex.

If Geelong get a free stadium and pay for nothing, maybe the rorting goes into the state government too who are spending tax payers money with no return.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yes, it’s changed so your sums are worthless in 2024. When the government spends 340m on upgrading a stadium, contracts and cost will change. You need to slowly pay for the 340m, they need 10k from every one of those seats over time to do that or an agreed proportion. It’s not free.

The G could be different too since it’s been 15 years. Deals and revenues flex.

If Geelong get a free stadium and pay for nothing, maybe the rorting goes into the state government too who are spending tax payers money with no return.

It's a state government asset. How much money do you think is actually going to be returned to the taxpayer here?

 

[NetworkNerd]

Yes, it’s changed so your sums are worthless in 2024. When the government spends 340m on upgrading a stadium, contracts and cost will change. You need to slowly pay for the 340m, they need 10k from every one of those seats over time to do that or an agreed proportion. It’s not free.

The G could be different too since it’s been 15 years. Deals and revenues flex.

If Geelong get a free stadium and pay for nothing, maybe the rorting goes into the state government too who are spending tax payers money with no return.

There was a period where 3 out of 4 premiers were Geelong supporters. That coupled with marginal seats getting alot of extra funding to entice voters

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If you want to hide outside the cap payments I'm sure a giant novelty cheque is the way to go

 

[Hamingja]

Missing point as well is now they get 35-40k into the ground not 26k, so make more than the 77k at G

Plus Collingwood are the only team that consistently has 70k show up. The Tigers squeal about coming down to KP but the last two games at the G against them drew 58,000 and 59,000. Take out the MCC and AFL members from those figures, who are non payers from Geelong's perspective, and it would barely be above the KP capacity now.

 

[Purple Suit]

It's a state government asset. How much money do you think is actually going to be returned to the taxpayer here?

No idea but in WA, the Optus deal wasn’t as lucrative as the Subi deal as the stadium operator was paying a proportion back to the state government for the 1.5B stadium they built. The ticket prices went up though and there were more seats so in the end the clubs do better out of it.

I assume the same would happen in Geelong. It’s not as simple as going off a 15 year old quote and adding on 15k seats worth of extra revenue like some punters believe.

The whole point is Geelong can pick and choose what suits them best, you have enough money that playing more at the G is better to experience the ground compared to 2 games a year most interstate teams get if they are lucky.

 

[Elixuh]

North's attempt.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

It does depend apparently. And it seems it's all ok to get caught and still get a game for Geelong.

Didn't the TAC cut ties with Geelong in 2017 after a spate of traffic offences by their players over time, including drink driving?

Stevie Johnson; Joel Selwood; Dawson Simpson; Billie Smedts & Brad Hartman all say hold my beer.

It’s also ok apparently for a leader of your club to openly fire off racist remarks at an indigenous player and be welcomed back with open arms….

 

[Sttew]

The equivalent of movie/tv stars demanding "Executive Producer" as their title while doing nothing.

All executive producer means is having “skin in the game”

 

[Cleric]

The difference is that the AFL put a gun to Carlton's head and forced us to move.
We didn't have a choice - would happily still be playing at PP otherwise.

The Docklands deals have been awful for Carlton, financially and on field. That was the point, of course.

They couldn't force you to leave. They may have asked you, and put pressure on you, but you didn't have to accept an offer.

 

[Sttew]

You really are dense aren’t you?

Incredibly

 

[Taper]

If you want to hide outside the cap payments I'm sure a giant novelty cheque is the way to go

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Thanks for posting that, now I'm craving some Town and Country Pizza .

 

[Strange Cat]

Thanks for posting that, now I'm craving some Town and Country Pizza .

Democracy pizza up here in qld

Tempting

 

[btdg]

They couldn't force you to leave. They may have asked you, and put pressure on you, but you didn't have to accept an offer.

We had no choice. We resisted (quite aggressively) but the AFL used the salary cap affair to force us. They promised to be more lenient if we ousted Elliott and replaced him with Ian Collins' faction - Collins was CEO of Docklands stadium at the time. They then issued fines that they knew we couldn't pay, and made 'financial relief' (ie: 'loans' that allowed us to spread the fines across multiple years) dependent on a move to Docklands.

Basically - we had to accept Docklands CEO as our President, and had to move games and abandon PP or the club would have been insolvent.

So yeah, they forced us to leave.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Thanks for posting that, now I'm craving some Town and Country Pizza .

I'm craving a ten thousand dollar cheque

 

[Strange Cat]

I'm craving a ten thousand dollar cheque

Now you’re cotton on to how it work

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Now you’re cotton on to how it work

If only I had robust knees, a vo2 max over 50, and literally any football skills above a div 3 ammos level

 

[Strange Cat]

If only I had robust knees, a vo2 max over 50, and literally any football skills above a div 3 ammos level

Don’t forget the long beautiful blonde hair and the fountain of Doggies tears

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Don’t forget the long beautiful blonde hair and the fountain of Doggies tears

Or in Stewys case a moustache that can solve a homicide case in 1980s new York entirely within the time constraints of a 30min TV episode

 

[Strange Cat]

Or in Stewys case a moustache that can solve a homicide case in 1980s new York entirely within the time constraints of a 30min TV episode

Probably better suited to an old western

 

[iameviljez]

Geelong are merely an extension of league headquarters. Rules are changed on their say so, dodgy under the table deals are made both with players and coaches. It won’t be long before they introduce a cost of living allowance for all Victorian teams outside of Melbourne.

If that was the case, Gary Ablett Jr would never have gone to the Gold Coast and the Mark Blicavs Ruck Nomination Rule would never have been introduced.

 

[Freomaniac]

Chris Scott just interviewed on Ch 7. Turns out his new position is not a soft cap rort. The deal was ticked off by the AFL before Scott committed.

So it's not exactly a massive scandal isn't it? It's been sorted out quickly and done well. At least the current AFL leaders are not as corrupt.

Andrew Demetriou on the other hand... Yeah. He tried to sweep the Essendon drug scandal under the rug and hoped it blew over.

Yeah that scandal got casual viewers. So bad publicity is better than no publicity.