Geelong - Too old, too slow?

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Roby said:
Oh Bruhn is going to be Ablett now, this is good.
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Who has actually said ‘Bruhn will be as good as Gary Ablett.’

Stop being a deliberate w***er and understand the concept of what’s being discussed.

And don’t start throwing out insults like ‘you’re responding to someone who has no clue’ when it wasn’t even me that made the comment he was arcing up about.


The observation was simply made - not by me - that ‘hey, in 2006 we were shit then suddenly we were excellent’

Someone else said ‘you don’t have Scarlett or Ablett or Bartel’

To which there was a response that maybe Sam de Koning can become this team’s Scarlett, maybe Bruhn can be this team’s Ablett etc.

Now these postulations sound difficult to take seriously - until you realise that at that stage Ablett was no better then Bruhn is now.

So who the f*** knows whether he can be that good.

For all you know Newcombe has played his best season and in two years will be cooking hash browns at a local McDonalds.

No one knows and sure as shit no one knew at the end of 2006 what half our team were about to become so what can be gained be ruling it out from happening again?
 

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RogersResults said:
The last time that Geelong had Win Percentage under 50% after 22 matches played was in 2006. Any 'old-timers' here might remember what happened in 2007.
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In 06, we underperformed
This year, we look cooked, unfit, and slow.
We don't have that knowledge that we are building something special if it all comes together- we have been to the very top, and now, the guys that got us there are on their last legs.
Reality check. If you think we still have the talent and hunger to contend again, great, but it's going to be a herculean effort to synchronise this list with very aged superstars, and a young brigade that promises, and not a lot of help from a middle tier group. But we are good at topping up.
 
PhatBoy said:
No, the notion that a player who, while not a superstar, has been easily in our best 10-11 players across most of the season particularly the latter two thirds, would not get picked in a 22 man side for the teams at the bottom.

It was a dumb comment.

And yeah, the Ablett comment is legitimate when you consider how ordinary his career had been up until that point. You could point to 100+ players right now in the competition who have barely caused a ripple in their careers to date, and their output would be the same as what Ablett’s was prior to 2007.

Wtf do you think it was that made us suddenly virtually unbeatable? A series of Face/Off style operations where we just got existing Brownlow medalists and All Australians to disguise themselves as the mediocre players we’d used in prior years?

It was hitherto mediocre players suddenly working it out.

It’s not like it hasn’t happened hundreds of times previously.

The whole ‘hahaha this young guy is absolute garbage and will never amount to anything’ schtick is the work of a pillock: at best you are proven right and everyone says ‘wow you predicted a mediocre player would be mediocre.’ At worst they become a gun and you look like a moron.
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I gave you a like just for using the word pillock. It's just a pity that you couldn't fit in bollocks and git as well.
 
Jhye Clark 13 said:
I know there's not much going on upstairs from your end but it might pay to go back to start and interpret things the correct way.
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Ad-honemines? Amazing, Jhye, you're really an amazing guy.

Since you're Neils Bohr and I'm an amoeba, can you please enlighten why you used the Gary Ablett comparison for Bruhn:

Jhye Clark 13 said:
The same was said of Ablett at the same age.
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I mean you could've picked any player, why Ablett?

Btw I thought Ablett would be the best player in the AFL in his second year or third year, how many years has Bruhn played?
 
I think that Bruhn is probably the equivalent to Jack Ross at the Tigers. Couldn't get a run due to all the talent in front of them but have improved since getting the opportunity in the seniors. Both going to be good players for many years but not the superstars. Teams need these kind of blokes.
 
PzBlinky said:
Not to get off track, but I have a theory on why players like Cotchin and Selwood make for better captains than say Dangerfield or Martin.

Players like Dusty and Danger are able to do freakish things that most players couldn't even hope to do. It's cool to watch Danger shake off a player then burst out of congestion or Martin dodge, weave, then banana a goal from 50... but I imagine it's more a "how the @#$@ do they do that" from their teammates.

When you see Selwood or Cotchin at the bottom of ANOTHER pack... or busting their arse to get to another contest... or providing an option through sheer gut-running, that's the kind of act that a team can rally around. It's more inspiration than admiration.

I think that was one of the reasons GAJ was never touted as a future captain at the Cats and wasn't a great one at the Suns.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I think there are other factors at work. Dusty, for instance, is too shy and would never handle the media stuff that a captain has to do. GAJ had a bit of the Ablett weirdness going on (like prayer meetings at GC). It's hard to get the balance just right for the perfect leader. Jack Graham at Richmond, for instance, is perfect in every way except that he's not quote good enough as a player to carry it off.
 
Roby said:
Ad-honemines? Amazing, Jhye, you're really an amazing guy.

Since you're Neils Bohr and I'm an amoeba, can you please enlighten why you used the Gary Ablett comparison for Bruhn:



I mean you could've picked any player, why Ablett?

Btw I thought Ablett would be the best player in the AFL in his second year or third year, how many years has Bruhn played?
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You still don't get it.
 

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Forward: 7.5/10. Reasons for optimism but also reasons for concern.

Question mark on Hawkins. But Jezza should bounce back once he gets healthy again. Miers is class. Close is very good. Stengle a big talent who should bounce back a bit. Henry is a super talent. Is Neale up to it as a forward/ruck? One more year for Rohan. Danger probably has to be a stay at home forward.

Backline: 7.5/10. Again, lots to like but some doubts.

Stewart is a star. SDK should settle at CHB and be rock solid. A healthy Jack Henry is vital. Zach Guthrie and Bews get the job done. Duncan probably locks in as a back flanker now with injury issues but still has good footy in him. Starts getting a bit thin after this. Esava probably goes. Kolo looks about done. Bowes is questionable.

Midfield: 6/10. Some promise but certainly in retooling mode

Selwood gone. Danger surely about done as a permanent onballer. Smith gone. Tuohy likely gone? Duncan probably plays back. What's left? Shaky rucks. Atkins - solid. Cam Guthrie - the Cats best pure mid but not a superstar. Blicavs is the Cats most important player. Holmes is a beauty but needs to be on ball for pace and covering a wing too! Bruhn has a lovely all round midfield game but he plays low TOG which means the tank isn't there and he's not versatile. O'Connor a useful role player. Parfitt tailing off. Jhye Clark not ready?

Could easily retool and play finals again but they're probably on the hunt for their next midfield superstar and at least one gun outside runner as well as some half back pace.

Things fell apart without Blicavs being able to play as an extra mid and using super fit veteran mids to create overlaps and extra numbers.
 
The funniest part about this latest disingenuous Hawthorn whinge is that you don't even need a team choc full with players of the ilk of Ablett, Bartel and Scarlett to win a flag. We literally won the premiership last year with a backline consisting of Tom Stewart who's a jet, surrounded by guys like Kolodjashnij, Bews, Zac Guthrie, O'Connor and a fresh-faced newbie in De Koning. Our best midfielder was Cam Guthrie and surrounding Hawkins and Cameron were Close, Miers, Rohan and Stengle who weren't household names until they were.

There's a reason why the Ablett's, Scarlett's, Franklin's, Hodge's etc of the world are so revered, because they're incredibly rare. I can jump up and down and say Mitch Lewis will be a potato in comparison to Lance Franklin, Blake Hardwick isn't fit to tie Hodge's shoelaces and Koschitzke will never live up to Roughead etc, but that's blatantly obvious.
 
PhatBoy said:
That’s a retrospective question I think. I’m pretty content, I’ve seen 4 of them like you have I suspect, but there is also something to be said for showing up each week with a big chance of a win and something to play for. Absolutely it’s incredibly frustrating to be a perennial bridesmaid but it is still - at the time at least anyway - something that engages you as a fan
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Maybe. The frustration we have at the moment is despite being "top 4" again, virtually no one has any hope of us winning the thing. No one rates us, despite our "master coach".
 
sobrave said:
Maybe. The frustration we have at the moment is despite being "top 4" again, virtually no one has any hope of us winning the thing. No one rates us, despite our "master coach".
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Sports dissection is such a momentary thing. People only think about what’s going on right now.

In this very thread and others like it, Patrick Dangerfield is hopeless because he had a dirty game on Saturday. A week earlier he channeled his predecessor and nearly got us home against the minor premier.

Your mob went undefeated for three and a half months. Those wins arent suddenly worth less than a couple of recent losses.

I still give your side a chance and hey, you’re in it.
 
matey said:
That is hilarious …… Bruhn wouldn’t get a game in the 16th team on the ladder probably not even the 18th!
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matey said:
Could be but if he was at the Hawks Bruhn would be lining up each week with Stephens at BH but Bruhn is playing each week in Cats best 22 ………… that really tells us all where your midfield group is at
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Of course Geelong players wouldn't make the Hawks best 22, because Hawthorn went really well this year.
 
master bate said:
Forward: 7.5/10. Reasons for optimism but also reasons for concern.

Question mark on Hawkins. But Jezza should bounce back once he gets healthy again. Miers is class. Close is very good. Stengle a big talent who should bounce back a bit. Henry is a super talent. Is Neale up to it as a forward/ruck? One more year for Rohan. Danger probably has to be a stay at home forward.

Backline: 7.5/10. Again, lots to like but some doubts.

Stewart is a star. SDK should settle at CHB and be rock solid. A healthy Jack Henry is vital. Zach Guthrie and Bews get the job done. Duncan probably locks in as a back flanker now with injury issues but still has good footy in him. Starts getting a bit thin after this. Esava probably goes. Kolo looks about done. Bowes is questionable.

Midfield: 6/10. Some promise but certainly in retooling mode

Selwood gone. Danger surely about done as a permanent onballer. Smith gone. Tuohy likely gone? Duncan probably plays back. What's left? Shaky rucks. Atkins - solid. Cam Guthrie - the Cats best pure mid but not a superstar. Blicavs is the Cats most important player. Holmes is a beauty but needs to be on ball for pace and covering a wing too! Bruhn has a lovely all round midfield game but he plays low TOG which means the tank isn't there and he's not versatile. O'Connor a useful role player. Parfitt tailing off. Jhye Clark not ready?

Could easily retool and play finals again but they're probably on the hunt for their next midfield superstar and at least one gun outside runner as well as some half back pace.

Things fell apart without Blicavs being able to play as an extra mid and using super fit veteran mids to create overlaps and extra numbers.
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Looked the part in the game he played but hurt his foot so that was it for the year. I expect he will play games next year.
 
Royce Hafey said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think there are other factors at work. Dusty, for instance, is too shy and would never handle the media stuff that a captain has to do. GAJ had a bit of the Ablett weirdness going on (like prayer meetings at GC). It's hard to get the balance just right for the perfect leader. Jack Graham at Richmond, for instance, is perfect in every way except that he's not quote good enough as a player to carry it off.
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Fair call, there's definitely more to it than my simplistic argument. I do think there's merit to that, even with those other factors at play.

Just thinking back through other dynasty teams, you could point to Hodge vs Franklin and Voss vs Akermanis (though Aker always had "d**khead vibes", so perhaps this one doesn't count). It's rare the captain in a great side is the captain - Leigh Matthews as a rare exception?
 

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