Banter Geelong V Richmond - GO!

[Wosh]

In the interests of keeping your back and forth shite fights out of match threads so normal people can talk.

Keep it clean and above the shorts
Off topic rubbish clogging up match threads will be moved here, knock yourselves out.

 

[Mr Meow]

Geelong won a final in six seasons in the 35 years from 1969 to 2003.


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Way to prove my point. That era would have been terrible to be a supporter, minus the period of excitement but perennial heart break of '89 through '95. But ask any Cats supporter if they preferred the nothing years of the 70s/80s compared to going deep in September for the stretch that followed. '89 through '95 was still on another stratosphere to any Richmond period for the past 44 years, besides 2017-2020. So have been the last 20 years.

Thus our more senior supporters have had a decent pay-off to the struggling years. No one can complain at the ride since the comp became the AFL - triumphs, heartbreak but almost always featuring in September.

Richmond supporters the last 44 years can say its been a shit ride but at least there was relief for the 4 year period the club contended for premierships. Very, very old members can try to revisualise success 50 odd years ago to add onto that. The ones in the middle have by and large suffered.

The anger and bitterness was not washed away with 3 premierships because the club became a laughing stock right after. It wasn't a soft landing and the next few years are a write off besides development of 18-23 year olds.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

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Way to prove my point. That era would have been terrible to be a supporter, minus the period of excitement but perennial heart break of '89 through '95. But ask any Cats supporter if they preferred the nothing years of the 70s/80s compared to going deep in September for the stretch that followed. '89 through '95 was still on another stratosphere to any Richmond period for the past 44 years, besides 2017-2020. So have been the last 20 years.

Thus our more senior supporters have had a decent pay-off to the struggling years. No one can complain at the ride since the comp became the AFL - triumphs, heartbreak but almost always featuring in September.

Richmond supporters the last 44 years can say its been a shit ride but at least there was relief for the 4 year period the club contended for premierships. Very, very old members can try to revisualise success 50 odd years ago to add onto that. The ones in the middle have by and large suffered.

The anger and bitterness was not washed away with 3 premierships because the club became a laughing stock right after. It wasn't a soft landing and the next few years are a write off besides development of 18-23 year olds.

Complex "all other club supporters need to be jealous of me, I am a Geelong supporter" narrative.

Total gimp.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Ok we'll do it this way, was the stand rule brought in to prompt quicker ball movement?

Good teams adapt, average ones struggle. If all it took to bring down the entire Richmond dynasty was the umpire saying “stand” to the player on the mark then that is pretty pathetic and shows a mediocre team

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If you followed the full conversation you'd see I'm merely refuting the fact that Cats supporters are anguished over their torturous journey relative to Richmond supporters. It's pure projection, because in reality we have a great deal of pity for Richmond supporters that had just a few years of relevance in their supporting memories so far.

You however belong in the group of 80 year old Richmond supporters (sorry I missed your birthday party at the village by the way, I heard the Bingo tournament was wild) that had two fantastic runs and just a single 35 year period of shite in the middle. Which is why you're only 40% as angry and bitter as the average BigFooty Richmond supporter. Unfortunately you're also 60% more deluded, but that's from an ailing brain rather than your journey as a supporter.

Your posts ar getting more and more complex, making you appear more and more desperate.

Which is a shame for you. You seemed a dickhead before but less of one than you do now.

 

[Chronz]

Your posts ar getting more and more complex, making you appear more and more desperate.

Which is a shame for you. You seemed a dickhead before but less of one than you do now.

I've never seen Gout Gout get this upset.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Good teams adapt, average ones struggle. If all it took to bring down the entire Richmond dynasty was the umpire saying “stand” to the player on the mark then that is pretty pathetic and shows a mediocre team

What does giving up a 5-goal lead and absolute dominance to a team that almost never wins at the MCG in a Preliminary Final show?

Probably the same thing as giving up complete dominance in the 2020 GF. Or the 2019 PF. Or wasting a dominant 2008 season. Or giving up a 20-point lead at 3/4 time of the 2013 PF. Or losing a final at Geelong to Freo. Or losing the unloseable final at the SCG “Nick Davis, Nick Davis …. I see it, but I don’t believe it”. Or getting smacked by the Eagles in Melbourne in the 1992 and 1994 Grand Finals. Or getting smacked by Carlton in the 1995 decider. Or losing to Richmond in the 2017 QF despite being on a 13-game winning streak …

I’m not 100% sure what all this shows, but pretty certain it rhymes with smokers.

No wonder Cats fans are so desperate for Tigers fans to be angry and upset, and get annoyed when we are not. 6 first round draft picks a few years after a dynasty with another two to come makes us very content I can assure you. Heading to 95,000 members a year after a wooden spoon and after Dusty retires doesn’t really indicate anger, does it


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[Mr Meow]

Your posts ar getting more and more complex, making you appear more and more desperate.

Which is a shame for you. You seemed a dickhead before but less of one than you do now.

Once again you're confusing diminished brain power with the complexity of the information in front of you. What's quite obvious is you are getting increasingly pissed off, so it might be time to focus more on getting those mushed veggies down like the nurse tells you to.

If the points I've made continue to elude you please let me know and I can type it out s l o w e r for you.

 

[Mr Meow]

What does giving up a 5-goal lead and absolute dominance to a team that almost never wins at the MCG in a Preliminary Final show?

Probably the same thing as giving up complete dominance in the 2020 GF. Or the 2019 PF. Or wasting a dominant 2008 season. Or giving up a 20-point lead at 3/4 time of the 2013 PF. Or losing a final at Geelong to Freo. Or losing the unloseable final at the SCG “Nick Davis, Nick Davis …. I see it, but I don’t believe it”. Or getting smacked by the Eagles in Melbourne in the 1992 and 1994 Grand Finals. Or getting smacked by Carlton in the 1995 decider. Or losing to Richmond in the 2017 QF despite being on a 13-game winning streak …

I’m not 100% sure what all this shows, but pretty certain it rhymes with smokers.

No wonder Cats fans are so desperate for Tigers fans to be angry and upset, and get annoyed when we are not. 6 first round draft picks a few years after a dynasty with another two to come makes us very content I can assure you. Heading to 95,000 members a year after a wooden spoon and after Dusty retires doesn’t really indicate anger, does it


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Oh but this is the great, mighty, world beating Cats you've been painstakingly building up.

If you want to be more sincere you can dissect the 2016 QF, 2017 PF, 2018 EF, 2019 QF and 2020 QF as well - perhaps finally admitting that it was a good, not great side, which is the point every single Geelong supporter in this thread has made.

Moving to other eras is a nice move though, as then we can bask on the truly great premiership sides (4 of them) and many other seasons with great finals wins that sandwiched disappointing losses. Oh it was so disheartening to live through, if only we had followed a club that was in the abyss, at utter laughing stock of most seasons start to finish, that had a singular 4 year period of being relevant. It's no wonder you cling onto that period and try to project anguish onto Geelong supporters to cover up the miserable time being a Tigers supporter has presented. Because I know unlike Grandpa MR, you weren't around for the previous time Richmond resembled something like a competitive football club.

Black and yellow has been synonymous with utter embarrassment through the AFL era; so that dynasty can accurately be called a blip in a sea of shite. There's no point trying to rub it off on people who've supported a decent club the past 35 years and quite clearly been more contented with that journey than your own. It might be time to just suck it up.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

What does giving up a 5-goal lead and absolute dominance to a team that almost never wins at the MCG in a Preliminary Final show?

Probably the same thing as giving up complete dominance in the 2020 GF. Or the 2019 PF. Or wasting a dominant 2008 season. Or giving up a 20-point lead at 3/4 time of the 2013 PF. Or losing a final at Geelong to Freo. Or losing the unloseable final at the SCG “Nick Davis, Nick Davis …. I see it, but I don’t believe it”. Or getting smacked by the Eagles in Melbourne in the 1992 and 1994 Grand Finals. Or getting smacked by Carlton in the 1995 decider. Or losing to Richmond in the 2017 QF despite being on a 13-game winning streak …

I’m not 100% sure what all this shows, but pretty certain it rhymes with smokers.

No wonder Cats fans are so desperate for Tigers fans to be angry and upset, and get annoyed when we are not. 6 first round draft picks a few years after a dynasty with another two to come makes us very content I can assure you. Heading to 95,000 members a year after a wooden spoon and after Dusty retires doesn’t really indicate anger, does it


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What on earth is this weird rant?? I was replying to a poster suggesting richmonda entire dynasty ended due to a rule forcing a player to stand on the mark. That is laughable if there is any truth to it

 

[tiger_tough]

Lame thread lads.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

What on earth is this weird rant?? I was replying to a poster suggesting richmonda entire dynasty ended due to a rule forcing a player to stand on the mark. That is laughable if there is any truth to it

2018 - 2020 brought the biggest zonal rule changes in the game since the centre square rule change in 1973!

(massive kick-in zone expansion, 6-6-6, STAND)

All these increases in exclusion zones reduce the ability of any team to bring extreme pressure locally.

Anyone who thinks those are minor tweaks simply doesn't understand the game.

No major changes to the zonal structure of the game between 1973 and 2018, and none more since post-season 2020.

Hmmm.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

2018 - 2020 brought the biggest zonal rule changes in the game since the centre square rule change in 1973!

(massive kick-in zone expansion, 6-6-6, STAND)

All these increases in exclusion zones reduce the ability of any team to bring extreme pressure locally.

Anyone who thinks those are minor tweaks simply doesn't understand the game.

No major changes to the zonal structure of the game between 1973 and 2018, and none more since post-season 2020.

Hmmm.

I stand by my original sentiment, if richmond had the best list and a team of champions they would simply adapt. Collingwood in 22-23 applied ferocious pressure all over the ground ans won a premiership based off pressure.

All i am hearing is richmond wasnt adaptable and couldn't handle change

 

[PetterdHoisted]

I stand by my original sentiment, if richmond had the best list and a team of champions they would simply adapt. Collingwood in 22-23 applied ferocious pressure all over the ground ans won a premiership based off pressure.

All i am hearing is richmond wasnt adaptable and couldn't handle change

Thank you for acknowledging the change to the game, instigated in a concentrated period from 2018-2020, and not before or since.

Richmond is adapting, recruiting mobile talls and big bodies, looking more and more like Chris Scott's Geelong by the year, in fact!

You have to get with the program because the new rules favour clean possession-footy, not dirty clearances.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Thank you for acknowledging the change to the game, instigated in a concentrated period from 2018-2020, and not before or since.

Richmond is adapting, recruiting mobile talls and big bodies, looking more and more like Chris Scott's Geelong by the year, in fact!

You have to get with the program because the new rules favour clean possession-footy, not dirty clearances.

Collingwood won a premiership off an evolved version of richmonds gameplan in 23 but i agree the game is changing

 

[Noidnadroj]

FMD. There have been posts on this in which excerpts of reports tabled in Parliament on this subject were included. Do your ****ing Googles instead of calling it BS without any evidence.

So Geelong must have the world’s worst stadium deal at the MCG that is wildly different to every other club…?? I don’t believe that’s possible with Brian Cook / Colin Carter at the helm - they couldn’t be that incompetent to have a deal where an 80,000 crowd is break even.

As below, in 2009, Brian Cook confirmed a crowd of 85,500 at the MCG against Collingwood in the 2007 season delivered the club a $771,000 profit - but you’re saying that an 80,000 crowd is now needed to break even??

The following is from Brian Cook's testimony to the 2009 Senate committee transcript for the Establishment of an AFL team in Tassie - so these would be 2008 figures:

"...at Skilled Stadium when you have a capacity of 25,000, we make a net profit in that game of $638,000 per game, which is $26 per head. If we have a crowd of 85,500 at the MCG, which we did have against Collingwood in 2007, we brought home $771,000, which was $9 a head. Importantly, Telstra, now Etihad Stadium, with a near capacity of 46,000, we brought home $293,000, which is $6 a head."

So that’s $9/head. I’d assume an 80,000 crowd would’ve delivered approx $720,000.

If an 80,000 crowd is needed to break even then Geelong needs to urgently replace their management, as every other team makes a killing with an 80,000 crowd and Geelong must be run by muppets.

I stand by my opinion that an 80,000 crowd to break even at the MCG is BS.

I’ll happily eat my words and apologise if appropriate evidence is tabled.


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[Art Vandelay_]

Noidnadroj

 

[Mr Meow]

Noidnadroj

The amount of essays and number crunching exercises Noidy has put in concerning the GFC has been incredible. Genuinely deserves a doctorate as a specialist in "Geelong Whingeology".

 

[FootyLad0]

So Geelong must have the world’s worst stadium deal at the MCG that is wildly different to every other club…?? I don’t believe that’s possible with Brian Cook / Colin Carter at the helm - they couldn’t be that incompetent to have a deal where an 80,000 crowd is break even.

As below, in 2009, Brian Cook confirmed a crowd of 85,500 at the MCG against Collingwood in the 2007 season delivered the club a $771,000 profit - but you’re saying that an 80,000 crowd is now needed to break even??

The following is from Brian Cook's testimony to the 2009 Senate committee transcript for the Establishment of an AFL team in Tassie - so these would be 2008 figures:

"...at Skilled Stadium when you have a capacity of 25,000, we make a net profit in that game of $638,000 per game, which is $26 per head. If we have a crowd of 85,500 at the MCG, which we did have against Collingwood in 2007, we brought home $771,000, which was $9 a head. Importantly, Telstra, now Etihad Stadium, with a near capacity of 46,000, we brought home $293,000, which is $6 a head."

So that’s $9/head. I’d assume an 80,000 crowd would’ve delivered approx $720,000.

If an 80,000 crowd is needed to break even then Geelong needs to urgently replace their management, as every other team makes a killing with an 80,000 crowd and Geelong must be run by muppets.

I stand by my opinion that an 80,000 crowd to break even at the MCG is BS.

I’ll happily eat my words and apologise if appropriate evidence is tabled.


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Think about what year you’re quoting and what the capacity is now.
Take a minute, have a think then get back to us when you’ve realise why the number would change.

Jesus christ

 

[Sttew]

The amount of essays and number crunching exercises Noidy has put in concerning the GFC has been incredible. Genuinely deserves a doctorate as a specialist in "Geelong Whingeology".

He’s competing with a Mediocre poster or maybe they are the same person?

 

[Noidnadroj]

I never said anything about break even. But can you now understand why the club wants to play its home games in Geelong?????

Oh dear.

I called BS on Geelong needing 80,000 at the MCG to break even. That’s all i said.

You then went off half cocked about senate hearings blah blah saying to do my research before calling something BS.

You now admit it was BS for that poster to say Geelong needed an 80,000 crowd to break even at the MCG.

It’s Christmas so apology accepted.


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[Noidnadroj]

Think about what year you’re quoting and what the capacity is now.
Take a minute, have a think then get back to us when you’ve realise why the number would change.

Jesus christ

I never ever said anything about games at Geelong and how much money was made. I never said anything about Geelong making more at the Cattery now than previously…never.

A Geelong poster said Geelong needed 80,000 crowd to break even at the MCG. I simply called BS on that…. and then all hell broke loose… (it was of course BS).

So maybe read what I actually posted before having a ‘Richmond supporter’ must be posting lies meltdown.


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[Noidnadroj]

The amount of essays and number crunching exercises Noidy has put in concerning the GFC has been incredible. Genuinely deserves a doctorate as a specialist in "Geelong Whingeology".

Says he who has posted eight hundred times in the Geelong versus Richmond thread.

Delicious irony yet again from Meowy.


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[Mr Meow]

So Geelong must have the world’s worst stadium deal at the MCG that is wildly different to every other club…?? I don’t believe that’s possible with Brian Cook / Colin Carter at the helm - they couldn’t be that incompetent to have a deal where an 80,000 crowd is break even.

As below, in 2009, Brian Cook confirmed a crowd of 85,500 at the MCG against Collingwood in the 2007 season delivered the club a $771,000 profit - but you’re saying that an 80,000 crowd is now needed to break even??

The following is from Brian Cook's testimony to the 2009 Senate committee transcript for the Establishment of an AFL team in Tassie - so these would be 2008 figures:

"...at Skilled Stadium when you have a capacity of 25,000, we make a net profit in that game of $638,000 per game, which is $26 per head. If we have a crowd of 85,500 at the MCG, which we did have against Collingwood in 2007, we brought home $771,000, which was $9 a head. Importantly, Telstra, now Etihad Stadium, with a near capacity of 46,000, we brought home $293,000, which is $6 a head."

So that’s $9/head. I’d assume an 80,000 crowd would’ve delivered approx $720,000.

If an 80,000 crowd is needed to break even then Geelong needs to urgently replace their management, as every other team makes a killing with an 80,000 crowd and Geelong must be run by muppets.

I stand by my opinion that an 80,000 crowd to break even at the MCG is BS.

I’ll happily eat my words and apologise if appropriate evidence is tabled.


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In 2025 do you think Geelong earn more from a 40k crowd at GMHBA or a 50-70k home MCG game? If the latter pays less then it's a financial handicap to host a game at the G, thus worse than break even relative to a standard home game.

 

[PhatBoy]

Says he who has posted eight hundred times in the Geelong versus Richmond thread.

Delicious irony yet again from Meowy.


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It’s literally a thread about his own club.

This isn’t a thread about your club, but here you are flooding it with your sewerage.

 

[Sttew]

A Geelong poster said Cats need 80,000 at MCG to break even with 25,000 at Geelong.