Geelong vs Collingwood - 2011 Grand Final

[i_hate_scams]

Can someone point to a game in the entire history of Team sport when both teams have played their best in the same game?

How is that even possible? The game is a contest, playing well is getting on top of your opponent, that is the measure of how well you are playing.

It is relative, of course if Collingwood play their best they will win.

1989 AFL grand final
2003 rugby world cup final
1986 soccer world cup final
1998 NBA finals Jazz vs Bulls

i could only remember these because they were finals, im sure there are more

 

[smasha]

I really hope we have a close game.

All the hype about this game has me in fear of it being onesided.

How many times does a game that has everything going for it,usually become the opposite?

I hope the game is not decided until the last minute.

Will be heading into the City for this one.

Too excited about this game.

Young And Jacksons unless someone can mention a great pub for the game.

Be great if the whole BF community rocked up to a pub in our clubs colours and make a day of it.

 

[Justcruzin]

I really hope we have a close game.

All the hype about this game has me in fear of it being onesided.

How many times does a game that has everything going for it,usually become the opposite?

I hope the game is not decided until the last minute.

Will be heading into the City for this one.

Too excited about this game.

Young And Jacksons unless someone can mention a great pub for the game.

Be great if the whole BF community rocked up to a pub in our clubs colours and make a day of it.

I'd say hit the Young and Jacksons, was there for both games last yr and the place rocked day and night. Surprising I can still remember it

 

[Paddywhackers]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

ROFL this was in response to

I've never had a single discussion with you before or read a single post of yours. There are trolls that are on my ignore list for attempted personal attacks such as the person you quoted. Some of these people are cut because of that and continue to abuse, but I don't see it unless it has been quoted as you have just done, but they don't know me or how many Collingwood supporters I am friends with, which are many.

But there are some that will base their conclusions on three Collingwood supporters in one thread on BigFooty as pathetic and as judgemental as that is, but there is nothing that I have said that is wrong in this thread, and you certainly haven't shared anything that makes me feel otherwise either. In fact, all you have done is acted like a trolling sheep as well with nothing to say, so I'm adding you as well for good reason. How dare a female have an opinion on footy?!?! Oh my!

 

[ChappyUK]

1989 AFL grand final
2003 rugby world cup final
1986 soccer world cup final
1998 NBA finals Jazz vs Bulls

i could only remember these because they were finals, im sure there are more

I wouldn't say 1989. As awesome as it was it was a game of two halves. Cats went the man for the first half and forgot about actually getting the footy. 2nd half Cats found the footy and the bruising the cats inflicted in the 1st half caught up with the Hawks. Wasn't 2 teams at the top of their game for 4 quarters.

I would be happy with a game of similar quality this weekend. With the Cats winning this time of course.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

KS carded

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[Scodog10]

1989 AFL grand final
2003 rugby world cup final
1986 soccer world cup final
1998 NBA finals Jazz vs Bulls

i could only remember these because they were finals, im sure there are more

2009 Stanley cup? Decided in game 7 after the first 6 were won by the home team the Penguins managed to get up 2-1 away to Detroit.

 

[ReebusMaximus]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

You're a fruitcake.
Honestly there is ample evidence that a person sustains less injuries in a car collision if relaxed or even asleep.

WTF this has to do with your claim of injuries from "playing badly" is anyone's guess.

Do you think the players are "floppier whenplaying badly?

You have no clue....nor can you provide any evidence to support you childish claim.

Not the best analogy from randomhero, but the sentiment is spot on. Try this: Have a 100kg mate run into your shoulder at full pace while you're bracing yourself for the impact. 99 times out of 100 you'll be fine.

Now try the same thing, but this time you're not expecting the contact, ie your muscles are looser. I guarantee you're more likely to suffer an injury as your muscles are not supporting your joints as well. Once the contact comes, on reflex the muscles contract making it more likely to also suffer soft tissue damage.

Hence if you're attacking the ball with everything you've got (ie, muscles taut, bracing for contact) you're less likely to get injured than if you go in half arsed.

Anyone who has played a contact sport in their lives knows this.

 

[PieNSauce]

KS is funny

Some people obviously think that its 2010 prelim again ...

The 2010 prelim is a game where geelong played poorly and had a poor gameplan, the pies also had all the luck and motivation and won easily.

Think that game skews some people's perceptions.

Geelong have much better form and is a more balanced team.

Jolly is the pies most important player and probably wont play.

You wish. Clearly you haven't watched many Collingwood games this year. You guys go in as heavy favourites IMO but it's got SFA to do with Jolly. If Jolly is so important then it's pretty hard to understand how we're 22 and 2 given the number of games he's missed.

 

[PieNSauce]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

Not the best analogy from randomhero, but the sentiment is spot on. Try this: Have a 100kg mate run into your shoulder at full pace while you're bracing yourself for the impact. 99 times out of 100 you'll be fine.

Now try the same thing, but this time you're not expecting the contact, ie your muscles are looser. I guarantee you're more likely to suffer an injury as your muscles are not supporting your joints as well. Once the contact comes, on reflex the muscles contract making it more likely to also suffer soft tissue damage.

Hence if you're attacking the ball with everything you've got (ie, muscles taut, bracing for contact) you're less likely to get injured than if you go in half arsed.

Anyone who has played a contact sport in their lives knows this.

Pfft! In other words because you say so! lol When you can provide some supporting evidence to back up your theory somebody might take some notice!

 

[Tippy78]

Re: Collingwood v. Geelong - 2011 Grand Final

Not the best analogy from randomhero, but the sentiment is spot on. Try this: Have a 100kg mate run into your shoulder at full pace while you're bracing yourself for the impact. 99 times out of 100 you'll be fine.

Now try the same thing, but this time you're not expecting the contact, ie your muscles are looser. I guarantee you're more likely to suffer an injury as your muscles are not supporting your joints as well. Once the contact comes, on reflex the muscles contract making it more likely to also suffer soft tissue damage.

Hence if you're attacking the ball with everything you've got (ie, muscles taut, bracing for contact) you're less likely to get injured than if you go in half arsed.

Anyone who has played a contact sport in their lives knows this.

Someone standing there bracing for impact is not going in hard so your example isn't really relevant.

Attacking the ball with everything you've got opens up a myriad of other potential injuries that you wouldn't get standing off a contest. Joel Selwood for example got badly injured earlier in the year for going in hard. According to your theory whereby people get injured if they don't go in hard enough, then Selwood was not going in hard enough...

Injuries are injuries. Teams that go in hard get them and teams that hold back get them.

 

[4evablues]

1989 AFL grand final
2003 rugby world cup final
1986 soccer world cup final
1998 NBA finals Jazz vs Bulls

i could only remember these because they were finals, im sure there are more

Very well said!!!

I am pretty sure there would be plenty more, but they are great examples.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

You wish. Clearly you haven't watched many Collingwood games this year. You guys go in as heavy favourites IMO but it's got SFA to do with Jolly. If Jolly is so important then it's pretty hard to understand how we're 22 and 2 given the number of games he's missed.

Jolly is the most important player in the key games. Like Ottens is to us. If you beat Richmond without Jolly, its not the point. Hawthorns's ruck stocks aren't that great, so it would make less difference there

 

[TheLip]

Jolly is the most important player in the key games. Like Ottens is to us. If you beat Richmond without Jolly, its not the point. Hawthorns's ruck stocks aren't that great, so it would make less difference there

I think you might do well to go back and look at how many games Collingwood got beaten in the ruck. You may be surprised!

 

[maxy87]

You wish. Clearly you haven't watched many Collingwood games this year. You guys go in as heavy favourites IMO but it's got SFA to do with Jolly. If Jolly is so important then it's pretty hard to understand how we're 22 and 2 given the number of games he's missed.

there's a big enough reason

 

[10571z]

We have proven we can win without jolly. Who says he wont play anyway

 

[Dangerwooodlett]

KS carded?

What are the chances of her returning if the cats get over the line on Saturday? My guess is she'll explode with rage and go on a 10000+ word abusive rant. She was entertaining though...

Anyway back on topic.

Re: the mental aspects of the game and how the two teams may approach this game

As a Cats man, I'm a lot more relaxed compared with 2007-09. I had no expectations coming into this season and did not even entertain the thought of reaching a GF until beating the Hawks in the 1st final. To me, the team has achieved above and beyond expectations over the last 5 years and win or lose, they will be regarded as one of the great teams of the modern era. A win on Saturday will just be icing.

I suspect the players feel this way too and have enjoyed the underdog tag for much of this year. However the players will be under their own pressure to win their 3rd flag in 5 years. To only win 2 flags in this era of domination will no doubt be a disappointment to them. This is the mental burden they will carry into the game.

The Pies on the other hand have carried a huge mental load all year. Since the GF win last year, theres was talk of it being the start of many successes. Talk of winning the next 3 flags, dynasties - and for much of the year they lived up to the hype and produced one of the greatest 1st 23 rounds of a season ever. The Arizona trips, the numerous "flick the switch" moments, achieving the greatest % in a single season of all time - everything was perfect. The frenzy around the team had reached fever pitch and coming into the finals the pressure on the team to deliver back to back flags was at a maximum. The mental burden of expectation, amplified by a 70,000 army of members - can the Pies handle it?

 

[TheLip]

there's a big enough reason

You hope!

 

[TheLip]

What are the chances of her returning if the cats get over the line on Saturday? My guess is she'll explode with rage and go on a 10000+ word abusive rant. She was entertaining though...

Anyway back on topic.

Re: the mental aspects of the game and how the two teams may approach this game

As a Cats man, I'm a lot more relaxed compared with 2007-09. I had no expectations coming into this season and did not even entertain the thought of reaching a GF until beating the Hawks in the 1st final. To me, the team has achieved above and beyond expectations over the last 5 years and win or lose, they will be regarded as one of the great teams of the modern era. A win on Saturday will just be icing.

I suspect the players feel this way too and have enjoyed the underdog tag for much of this year. However the players will be under their own pressure to win their 3rd flag in 5 years. To only win 2 flags in this era of domination will no doubt be a disappointment to them. This is the mental burden they will carry into the game.

The Pies on the other hand have carried a huge mental load all year. Since the GF win last year, theres was talk of it being the start of many successes. Talk of winning the next 3 flags, dynasties - and for much of the year they lived up to the hype and produced one of the greatest 1st 23 rounds of a season ever. The Arizona trips, the numerous "flick the switch" moments, achieving the greatest % in a single season of all time - everything was perfect. The frenzy around the team had reached fever pitch and coming into the finals the pressure on the team to deliver back to back flags was at a maximum. The mental burden of expectation, amplified by a 70,000 army of members - can the Pies handle it?

So how cool is it that now this is completely turned around and the Cats go in as the undisputed favourites, apparently the in form side and after having had nothing to lose suddenly find themselves the hunted. Can they handle that pressure?

 

[le dominateur]

Gotta hope for the game as a spectacle that the Pies can get within 10 goals of Geelong.

 

[TheLip]

Gotta hope for the game as a spectacle that the Pies can get within 10 goals of Geelong.

You want us to stop in the last quarter then?

 

[SauceCode]

Pies to win

Varcoe to kick the first

 

[vivien]

Geelong by 1 point.

really?

 

[PowerOfThePussy]

So how cool is it that now this is completely turned around and the Cats go in as the undisputed favourites, apparently the in form side and after having had nothing to lose suddenly find themselves the hunted. Can they handle that pressure?

There's no apparently about it. Results are there for all to see. That's not to say Collingwood aren't a great side, but the Cats have the better form at the moment. Doesn't mean much though, unless you're a bookie.

And the pressure stuff is irrelevant as both sides are premiership teams and have been there done that. Will be a massive bonus for us if we win, but Collingwood have been the team to beat all year and I won't be surprised if they win.

 

[Churros]

So how cool is it that now this is completely turned around and the Cats go in as the undisputed favourites, apparently the in form side and after having had nothing to lose suddenly find themselves the hunted. Can they handle that pressure?

They sure can. Geelong are miles ahead of the competition in terms of experience, which will make handling pressure much easier.