No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 2

[Dewnior]

Retiring players are always a quandry - but it has been a long time since someone has gone all Alistair Lynch on someone.

4 weeks none served

 

[Ned Ryerson]

4 weeks none served

I did say 'someone' - Lloyd is a * sniper, so therefore not befitting of being classified as human.

 

[Spursfan]

Is there a different standard applied to finals as there are in the H&A? You bet there is and so there should be. AFL were obliged to find any loophole they could to get those boys onto the park. So they reached into their tool kit and made it happen. I have no problem whatsoever with players getting leniency during finals. Sloane or Cotchin missing a GF for that would have been a disgrace. What sort of game are we promoting here? They play finals at twice the pace and desperation and to adjudicate the games under exactly the same adjudication as the H&A season is not reasonable. Players should only miss grand finals for acts that are intentional and really really obvious. The stakes are too big to start having debates over whether a bloke should miss for bloody collision in a contest. Rules need to be changed so that carry over points and fines don't carry into finals also. For the record I am not supporting either team, so I don't have a horse in the race. This is just a matter of principal because I know how I would feel if Hawthorn were in that position.

Righto so we're all good if Tom Mitchell is ko'd in the 1st qtr of a final being first to ball by a bloke "bracing for contact" and costs us the game ? With no repercussions the following week?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Righto so we're all good if Tom Mitchell is ko'd in the 1st qtr of a final being first to ball by a bloke "bracing for contact" and costs us the game ? With no repercussions the following week?

Yup. That's football.

 

[market]

Dangerfield and Selwood too good. Any other team loses this by 100+ when down by 45 early in the second against Adelaide in Adelaide

Bad luck again with your team getting bundled out of the finals.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Righto so we're all good if Tom Mitchell is ko'd in the 1st qtr of a final being first to ball by a bloke "bracing for contact" and costs us the game ? With no repercussions the following week?

I remember when Harbrow knocked out Jordan Lewis with no eyes on the footy (had eyes on Lewis from memory) and we took that pretty well despite no suspension.

 

[JoeHawk]

I love being critical of the AFL and Match Review Panel as much as the next person, but I can't recall the precedent that many have suggested has been set in regards to similar collisions to the Cotchin one.

Could one of the posters that believes he should have been suspended upload some links to back this up.

AFL is a contact sport, accidents happen. If Cotchin (or any player for that matter) was rubbed out of a GF for courageously attacking on the ball (as opposed to a deliberate bump, aka a Buddy special), I would stop watching the game.


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But you can't deny that had this occurred during the H&A Cotchin would have most certainly been fined at the very least, resulting in a suspension. Look at Hodges latest incident. It was next to nothing but he got suspended because it was his third offence of similar grade. If this was Hodge instead of Cotchin, would he have been cleared? And consider Hawthorns recent run of success vs Richmonds drought. I would be very surprised if Hodge would have been granted the same leniency. Look, I'm happy for Cotchin but sheesh, the AFL are clearly twisting the rules.

The main point of contention is that Cotchin was totally cleared of ANY wrong doing which is just not right. At least a fine should have applied since he did not demonstrate challenging for the ball with outstretched arms but clearly chose to bump instead resulting in a head clash.

 

[JoeHawk]

I remember when Harbrow knocked out Jordan Lewis with no eyes on the footy (had eyes on Lewis from memory) and we took that pretty well despite no suspension.

Yeah but Lewis is dirty pr*ck

 

[Dipper]

I didn't explicitly suggest that you had head injuries - I was merely inferring that if you think that someone in Cotchin's position, in the time he was operating in, had the ability to deliberately knock Shiel out or even attempt to bump him with contact to the head as his end goal, then yes you are probably cause for concern.

One thing you weren't doing was inferring.

I'm not implying that you got it wrong due to traumatic brain injury though...I might be inferring it but would never imply something like.

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[arupist]

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You must have really liked his post.

 

[Spursfan]

Totally agree, if this is round 10 he gets a week for a 3rd strike. Happy for him to play but FFS is too much to ask to at least some consistency with the MRP or if they can't do that at least drop the sanctimonious 'head is sacrosanct' bs

 

[Dipper]

Forgot to mention as I was reveling in the defeat of the Cats at the time - Carey's little jibes at BT during the fourth quarter about captaincy and saying something along the lines of 'well only those who have captained would know' to BT. Much as I hate BT - I would have respected him infinitely if he'd hit back at Carey saying at least he'd never slept with his team mate, and real life mate's wife. Carey getting on his high horse about anything is hard to stomach.

If I remember correctly BT trolled Carey over that incident earlier in the year much to the s******s of the rest of the commentators and so I imagine the gloves are off and this was part of a simmering desire by Carey to put BT back in his box.

He can never win though cos BT is one of those types who doesn't give a stuff.

Wish I could remember what game it happened on because it was very funny. There was a thread on the main board about it.

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[seysearles]

Righto so we're all good if Tom Mitchell is ko'd in the 1st qtr of a final being first to ball by a bloke "bracing for contact" and costs us the game ? With no repercussions the following week?

Mate this is football not ballet. Mitchell can get KO'd by one of his own players, it just happens. Both players need to always expect the opposition be entering into the contest at full tilt and know that there is a good chance they're going to get smashed. You're protected to a point but in certain scenarios you are contesting the ball the same time and when you're in that zone you're both facing the reality of impact and injury. To try to micro analyse who was first to the contest by fractions of a second using slow motion replays and then wipe guys out on that basis is fantasy. If the player is injured because an explicit "attempt to harm", this is a different kettle of fish, but in a genuine ball contest (which all of these were) you both cash in your protection to some extent. Accidents and incidental injuries will always happen and they will suck but they will suck a lot less than elite players missing the grand finals on technicalities.

 

[Spursfan]

You must have really liked his post.

Haha shouldn't post on the phone

 

[MacMace]

But you can't deny that had this occurred during the H&A Cotchin would have most certainly been fined at the very least, resulting in a suspension. Look at Hodges latest incident. It was next to nothing but he got suspended because it was his third offence of similar grade. If this was Hodge instead of Cotchin, would he have been cleared? And consider Hawthorns recent run of success vs Richmonds drought. I would be very surprised if Hodge would have been granted the same leniency. Look, I'm happy for Cotchin but sheesh, the AFL are clearly twisting the rules.

The main point of contention is that Cotchin was totally cleared of ANY wrong doing which is just not right. At least a fine should have applied since he did not demonstrate challenging for the ball with outstretched arms but clearly chose to bump instead resulting in a head clash.

I don't know about that, perhaps, but I don't think people are comparing apples with apples. That's why I keep asking for footage of similar instances where a player has been sanctioned. There have been a number of soft decisions this year (jumper punching in my opinion shouldn't be a sanction), but I know some will disagree. My issue is I believe the other instances were more aimed at the player rather than the ball or were deliberately reckless. Regardless, there should be consistency in decisions (finals or not) and a play like that does not deserve a sanction, it deserves praise.

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[Spursfan]

Mate this is football not ballet. Mitchell can get KO'd by one of his own players, it just happens. Both players need to always expect the opposition be entering into the contest at full tilt and know that there is a good chance they're going to get smashed. You're protected to a point but in certain scenarios you are contesting the ball the same time and when you're in that zone you're both facing the reality of impact and injury. To try to micro analyse who was first to the contest by fractions of a second using slow motion replays and then wipe guys out on that basis is fantasy. If the player is injured because an explicit "attempt to harm", this is a different kettle of fish, but in a genuine ball contest (which all of these were) you both cash in your protection to some extent. Accidents and incidental injuries will always happen and they will suck but they will suck a lot less than elite players missing the grand finals on technicalities.

Yes I get all this, my issue is with these clowns on the MRP and their make it up it as you go approach. If it was up to me none of these incidents would even be looked at - maybe Brandon Ellis (lol - contesting the ball ??). A few of us have a problem with their flawed mantra of protecting the head at all costs - even for accidents as you say happen in football- then the rule book goes out the window when it suits them. I would love to see Dangerfield get the most votes tonight to highlight the AFLs stupidity (and also the tasty Geelong melts)

 

[Hauker]

Righto so we're all good if Tom Mitchell is ko'd in the 1st qtr of a final being first to ball by a bloke "bracing for contact" and costs us the game ? With no repercussions the following week?

Totally agree, if Cotchin had been knocked out by Green and the Tigers lose they'd be up in arms. Unfortunately GWS's 5 supporters and an unsympathetic media can't make any noise.

 

[Off The Couch]

Geezus there's some salty Cats supporters out on the mainboard - taking defeat at the hands of the tigers very badly

 

[Xtreme]

A baby Roughie!!

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Geezus there's some salty Cats supporters out on the mainboard - taking defeat at the hands of the tigers very badly

That’s normal.Geelong fans are the Uruguay of the AFL

 

[burger09]

A baby Roughie!!

This is truly awsome news.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

A baby Roughie!!

That's great

 

[Hawks1994]

That’s normal.Geelong fans are the Uruguay of the AFL

Very unkind to the great nation of Uruguay

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Geezus there's some salty Cats supporters out on the mainboard - taking defeat at the hands of the tigers very badly

There is no other type of cats supporter. Salty as
Just ask them how important H&A wins are and they will explain they mean more than premierships. Our club's recent era has destroyed cats fans psyche.

 

[bradburygold]

Dimma and clarko