No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome**

[Argy]

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Ahhhh.... It feels good.

 

[Brishawk]

The biggest emotion I felt in 2013 was relief! 2014 was the celebration

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

My favourite is people who don't use public transport that complain about their tax dollars funding it.

They also complain about the congestion on the roads which without public transport would be worse.

There is far too many people with short sighted opinions when discussing the roads vs public transport debate, a "what will it do for me?" attitude. Set in their ways so much that no matter what the government of the day does they will always want more roads built to suit their own agenda.

 

[Gralin]

There is far too many people with short sighted opinions when discussing the roads vs public transport debate, a "what will it do for me?" attitude. Set in their ways so much that no matter what the government of the day does they will always want more roads built to suit their own agenda.

The biggest issue is it's seen as an either or proposition
It's not planned properly and it's run for political gain not public service.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

There is far too many people with short sighted opinions when discussing the roads vs public transport debate, a "what will it do for me?" attitude. Set in their ways so much that no matter what the government of the day does they will always want more roads built to suit their own agenda.

This is the flaw in democracy. Governments have to make decisions about what's best for the most people (e.g. A 2.5 billion dollar infrastructure) and they may have done all the reports, investigation analysis etc to ensure it's the right and best thing to do - but that's not enough. They also have to sell the message to the public in a media landscape where rhetoric >> data.

Don't worry - I understand the role of the media and public discourse, especially as a mechanism to shame the dishonest and corrupt - but the fact that people with no experience in running a health system, or infrastructure, or education system, etc are the ones electing those who will can have strange outcomes.

 

[Argy]

The biggest emotion I felt in 2013 was relief! 2014 was the celebration

Ditto. There was such pressure going in and was a scrappy game orchestrated by the master of tactics 'if you know what I mean'. 2014 was ecstasy in comparison - there was so much on the line - with the defection of Buddy, etc., and we played out of our skin.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Ditto. There was such pressure going in and was a scrappy game orchestrated by the master of tactics 'if you know what I mean'. 2014 was ecstasy in comparison - there was so much on the line - with the defection of Buddy, etc., and we played out of our skin.

Yep. As an event for me it paled in comparison to 08 and 2014 which were both awesome celebrations. 2013 was Clarko just doing the gritty thing to get the job done. The way we played in that grand final was not that of a side that was on a mission to tear a side apart, but of a side that was focused with every player knowing his role so strictly and carrying it out in a methodical fashion.

2014 was just ruthless.

 

[moginie]

It will never be a favourite premiership, but it will be a "did what we needed to do" premiership.

And in the end, they are all worth 1.

 

[Gralin]

This is the flaw in democracy. Governments have to make decisions about what's best for the most people (e.g. A 2.5 billion dollar infrastructure) and they may have done all the reports, investigation analysis etc to ensure it's the right and best thing to do - but that's not enough. They also have to sell the message to the public in a media landscape where rhetoric >> data.

Don't worry - I understand the role of the media and public discourse, especially as a mechanism to shame the dishonest and corrupt - but the fact that people with no experience in running a health system, or infrastructure, or education system, etc are the ones electing those who will can have strange outcomes.

Now add in media with their own agenda either for or against global warming, capitalism etc, and most of the media we get in this country has to pander to advertisers as well
Then you get lobby groups who throw money around which the voting public can't compete with.
Add to that the projects that get picked to get votes at the next election or the ones that are scrapped to keep the current party in power and we don't do infrastructure for the greater good in this country.

But getting a clearance picture of that is hard. That's before we get into the cake and eat it mentality of most of us. We want shorter travel times but not greater housing density as an example

 

[Off The Couch]

About nine guys gone from that photo

 

[Davo23]

Yep. As an event for me it paled in comparison to 08 and 2014 which were both awesome celebrations. 2013 was Clarko just doing the gritty thing to get the job done. The way we played in that grand final was not that of a side that was on a mission to tear a side apart, but of a side that was focused with every player knowing his role so strictly and carrying it out in a methodical fashion.

2014 was just ruthless.

Yes, but 2013 was against the anti-football coach, that's why it never was allowed to be a great spectacle.

The Grand Finals in 2008, 2014 and 2015 showcased why Clarko is such a master coach: brilliant attacking football, high scoring and all the great skills on display.

 

[JoeHawk]

With all this talk I'm all reved up again. Gonna have to watch them all ......again. Might start with 2008 then the trilogy.

 

[OzJohnnie]

This is the flaw in democracy. Governments have to make decisions about what's best for the most people (e.g. A 2.5 billion dollar infrastructure) and they may have done all the reports, investigation analysis etc to ensure it's the right and best thing to do - but that's not enough. They also have to sell the message to the public in a media landscape where rhetoric >> data.

Don't worry - I understand the role of the media and public discourse, especially as a mechanism to shame the dishonest and corrupt - but the fact that people with no experience in running a health system, or infrastructure, or education system, etc are the ones electing those who will can have strange outcomes.

 

[Agent Smith]

Okay, here it is, the wait is over...

 

[abe8009]

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Have to say that is the greatest game I have been to...amazing!!!

 

[Alley oops]

I loved 2013- basically Clarko saying anything you can do I can do better. Even if it's ugly.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

What would page 2013 be without Brian.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Cheer up lads, page 2014 is going to be fun!

 

[moginie]

As comprehensive a win as 83 or 88 and incredibly satisfying. Demoralized them.

 

[Gralin]

 

[Gold Member]

I'd like to instigate Shane Yarran Week on Hawthorn Bigfooty...

Best post wins a year 7 English lesson...

I'll go first...

lols this is 2 funny Damn you freo you are suck and all your drug problem are worse than eva experience eva nat fyfe you can cum to hawks and win clarko will have you 4 sure even tho u r a virgin dog

Shain Yearing lieks dis

 

[Gold Member]

You simply do what your own conscience can bear. I have invested in solar power, double glazing, insulation and changed my house to increase the passive heating and cooling capacity. We try to use energy sparingly and don't run aircon unless it gets uncomfortable with just the ceiling fans going. However I also drive an old diesel 4wd that I use off road when I can but it is my daily driver too and my wife drives a Territory. To ease my guilt I also make a little bio-diesel for my old beast. I try to encourage other people to also be energy conscious and while I could do more I don't think enough people really give f&@k.
Can I be a little pious, sure I can, do I feel like a hypocrite sometimes, yep. I don't like waste, but you do need to live.

You make bio?
That's ****ing awesome I'd love to get off the teat of commercial fuel companies.

 

[Kil Phearns]

 

[B&GBlood]

Probably my favorite of the three.

 

[Argy]

Nice that 2014 happens on Christmas day!