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[Alite]

Double points for thebw due to the shorter fixture

. I see the finals are also not included, just the regular season.

Current totals:

Hawks: 14 wins for the men at 4 pts each = 56pts. And 8 wins for the women at 8pts each = 64pts. Total 120pts.
Lions: 14.5 wins for the men at 4 pts each= 58pts. And 7 wins for the women at 8pts each = 56pts. Total 114pts.


Teams that win the trophy are given a simplified replica of the middle panel of the perpetual trophy, which features the AFL lettering and a round die-cast of McClelland. The trophy includes $1 million in prize money, to be shared equally between the club and its AFL and AFLW players.

There could be a nice bonus coming for the players, and a few extra dumbbells for Dingley.

EXCITING!

 

[HedgeFund]

. I see the finals are also not included, just the regular season.

Current totals:

Hawks: 14 wins for the men at 4 pts each = 56pts. And 8 wins for the women at 8pts each = 64pts. Total 120pts.
Lions: 14.5 wins for the men at 4 pts each= 58pts. And 7 wins for the women at 8pts each = 56pts. Total 114pts.


Teams that win the trophy are given a simplified replica of the middle panel of the perpetual trophy, which features the AFL lettering and a round die-cast of McClelland. The trophy includes $1 million in prize money, to be shared equally between the club and its AFL and AFLW players.

There could be a nice bonus coming for the players, and a few extra dumbbells for Dingley.

EXCITING!

Frankly, whilst it would obviously be an issue with an AFLW salary caps to provide the women with greater remuneration, I’d be pretty comfortable with the club spending a decent chunk of that $1m on the women’s program.

After all, their improvement in 2024 has been even better than the men’s. They deserve every extra cent which comes their way.

 

[Alite]

Frankly, whilst it would obviously be an issue with an AFLW salary caps to provide the women with greater remuneration, I’d be pretty comfortable with the club spending a decent chunk of that $1m on the women’s program.

After all, their improvement in 2024 has been even better than the men’s. They deserve every extra cent which comes their way.

Maybe target improved facilities at The Kennedy Centre with the club's portion of the money (that we don't yet have ). The AFL would not get a say in that.

I asked my wife if this suggestion is sexist and she said, "maybe, but men and women are different and so should have different stuff". She is a smart woman.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

If my son was involved in the GWS stuff (and I'm sure he wouldn't have been), he would be getting an absolute dressing down from both me and his mother that would pale in comparison to what the AFL has done.

Well done.

It's actually insane how you can't see the difference between someone getting told to **** off, and people making jokes out of rape.
Stop trying to make this about conservatives v non-conservatives, that isn't the issue here.

The jokes are tasteless and I don’t think it’s humorous and not many would other than low hanging fruit.

Telling a lady to F right off is aggressive, violent and boorish.

Thats the difference.

 

[KermitJagger]

Frankly, whilst it would obviously be an issue with an AFLW salary caps to provide the women with greater remuneration, I’d be pretty comfortable with the club spending a decent chunk of that $1m on the women’s program.

After all, their improvement in 2024 has been even better than the men’s. They deserve every extra cent which comes their way.

Putting it towards the facilities helps both the men and the women, makes the most sense. Would likely run into cap or soft cap issues if we tried to feed it directly into the women's program.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Excellent points.

I can’t recall her being offended by it or calling it out. But does that make it ok?

All these people hammering the GWS players for tasteless costumes, sprouting garbage like the standard you walk past is the standard you allow and kicking up a stink because someone was offended, find, and defend Rohan Connelly actually verbally abuse a lady as ok, why?

So if she wasn’t offended the abuse is ok? If the behaviour is wrong it’s wrong regardless and this is why I’m just asking the morally superior among us when it’s ok.

But I’ve slowly figured it out.

When they are conservative and deliver a message I don’t agree with so I’ll swear at her, abuse her and label the message as disinformation.

I think you’re deliberately being obtuse here. Not sure how you can draw a line between writing on your personal twitter account about someone who works in the political sphere aggressively on twitter, and doing skits about sexual abuse amongst people you work with.

You should see the crap that gets written about any women in politics on x or twitter. See what people say about Kamala. Not even in the same ballpark as what Connolly writes.

 

[Alite]

Maybe target improved facilities at The Kennedy Centre with the club's portion of the money (that we don't yet have ). The AFL would not get a say in that.

I asked my wife if this suggestion is sexist and she said, "maybe, but men and women are different and so should have different stuff". She is a smart woman.

They could bid, hey?

 

[TONYC3163]

Excellent points.

I can’t recall her being offended by it or calling it out. But does that make it ok?

All these people hammering the GWS players for tasteless costumes, sprouting garbage like the standard you walk past is the standard you allow and kicking up a stink because someone was offended, find, and defend Rohan Connelly actually verbally abuse a lady as ok, why?

So if she wasn’t offended the abuse is ok? If the behaviour is wrong it’s wrong regardless and this is why I’m just asking the morally superior among us when it’s ok.

But I’ve slowly figured it out.

When they are conservative and deliver a message I don’t agree with so I’ll swear at her, abuse her and label the message as disinformation.

False equivalence. I'm not sure that you figured anything out, slowly or otherwise.

 

[Yardie]

Well done.

The jokes are tasteless and I don’t think it’s humorous and not many would other than low hanging fruit.

Telling a lady to F right off is aggressive, violent and boorish.

Thats the difference.

Why are you distancing the jokes from the misogyny? But now adding in "lady" to the FRO comment when that does not include any reference to gender?

 

[smish]

Wtaf are our boys up to in the US.

Dumb as

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Fewer calories than piss, play on

 

[Mashy]

Frankly, whilst it would obviously be an issue with an AFLW salary caps to provide the women with greater remuneration, I’d be pretty comfortable with the club spending a decent chunk of that $1m on the women’s program.

After all, their improvement in 2024 has been even better than the men’s. They deserve every extra cent which comes their way.

If the McClelland trophy states that the $1M is to be shared between the club and players, are the player trophy payments included in the salary cap? If so, a club that is at the salary cap would find it pretty hard to distribute any of the $1M to players

 

[Flamin Joe]

If the McClelland trophy states that the $1M is to be shared between the club and players, are the player trophy payments included in the salary cap? If so, a club that is at the salary cap would find it pretty hard to distribute any of the $1M to players

No it's not.

Sharing the wealth: How $1m McClelland Trophy prize will be split

Players from the winning club will share in half the million-dollar bounty for the McClelland Trophy

www.afl.com.au

Since the League's March announcement, it has been unclear how the money would be distributed. However, per the most recent Collective Bargaining Agreement, it's understood that half of that money will be split evenly among all men's and women's players from the champion club.

It means that $250,000 will be shared among men's players from the successful club, while a further $250,000 will be split between players within the women's program.

That money, which tallies at $500,000, will not be counted under the winning club's salary cap and will instead be distributed to players outside the cap in a similar manner to a premiership bonus.

 

[Bedi]

Context is everything I suppose.
Comedians are attempting to subvert expectations and craft humour/satire to make light about things in a clever way.
If a comedian got on stage and just pretended to abuse/sexually assault a sex doll they would be absolutely lambasted for it (as they should).
Comedians frequently complain about audiences not finding their cruxe/dark/edgy humour funny anymore and I think that's a result of the zeitgeist shifting.
The difference with football players doing it, even at a private function, is it normalises the acceptance of these things happening, and ultimately lacks the key subversive and contextual elements that makes it more acceptable when Comedians do it.
Society does not want rolemodels who think that its OK to denigrate and abuse others, the AFL is taking a strong stance in this situation which to me says they're responding to the shift in zeitgeist, and that there's an acknowledgement that in today's climate, excuses like "boys will be boys" and "they're just blowing off steam" aren't acceptable because of the real world social impacts that it can have.

The fact that there's potentially a six game ban in the works for this says something about the possible impact the action/skit could have had.

The fact is is that football is still largely inaccessible for large swathes of our society due to the normalised and accepted behaviours that go on at football clubs. The AFL taking a heavy stance here will empower local clubs to prevent anti-social behaviour as time goes on.

To compare the 'material' of deadshit GWS footballers to the craft of world-class comedians whose use of nuance and irony is everything is mind numbing... so thanks very much for articulating so effectively what has been bothering me reading through this thread.

But anyway thanks to all posters (who know who you are) in standing up against misogyny, racism and other neanderthal locker room behaviour. For those opposed, I get it's a testing time with changing standards, but my advice is just go with whatever social behaviours is going to cause the least harm to those who live amongst us – and we'll all get along fine.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Tell ya what - the more you look at the Richmond tank job the worse it looks.

Unlike us when we moved on/lost all of Mitchell, O'Meara, McEvoy, Gunston etc in a year or two -we had emerging youth that just needed more exposure.

Richmond don't have that. There's no green shoots coming through. They've done the big scrabble "swap all letters and miss a turn". Losing Rioli, Martin and Bolton (and Graham I guess) in a single off season is losing just about all the class they have on the list except for Tom Lynch.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Tell ya what - the more you look at the Richmond tank job the worse it looks.

Unlike us when we moved on/lost all of Mitchell, O'Meara, McEvoy, Gunston etc in a year or two -we had emerging youth that just needed more exposure.

Richmond don't have that. There's no green shoots coming through. They've done the big scrabble "swap all letters and miss a turn". Losing Rioli, Martin and Bolton (and Graham I guess) in a single off season is losing just about all the class they have on the list except for Tom Lynch.

There's potentially noone coming through, but we never really know until it's over and they've had exposure

 

[Off The Couch]

No it's not.

Sharing the wealth: How $1m McClelland Trophy prize will be split

Players from the winning club will share in half the million-dollar bounty for the McClelland Trophy

www.afl.com.au

Hmmm - given that the girls probably earn a tenth of what the men do, be nice to see their share “donated” to the women’s team

 

[DogDaySonny]

Tell ya what - the more you look at the Richmond tank job the worse it looks.

Unlike us when we moved on/lost all of Mitchell, O'Meara, McEvoy, Gunston etc in a year or two -we had emerging youth that just needed more exposure.

Richmond don't have that. There's no green shoots coming through. They've done the big scrabble "swap all letters and miss a turn". Losing Rioli, Martin and Bolton (and Graham I guess) in a single off season is losing just about all the class they have on the list except for Tom Lynch.

I also get chuckles over the fact that the AFL media went into meltdown at our “a type of tanking” and are fully on board with Richmond’s bald-faced type of tanking. It’s very hard to pick what the media go hard over. It does seem that they like to make capital cases out of marginal examples are are quick to forgive or even embrace the extreme examples.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Tell ya what - the more you look at the Richmond tank job the worse it looks.

Unlike us when we moved on/lost all of Mitchell, O'Meara, McEvoy, Gunston etc in a year or two -we had emerging youth that just needed more exposure.

Richmond don't have that. There's no green shoots coming through. They've done the big scrabble "swap all letters and miss a turn". Losing Rioli, Martin and Bolton (and Graham I guess) in a single off season is losing just about all the class they have on the list except for Tom Lynch.

Will be an amazing feat if they can pull this off, it's the ultimate high risk / high return strategy they have gone with.

I feel some of the smashings they will cop next year will be getting up towards the Demons Mark Neeld era level.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Hmmm - given that the girls probably earn a tenth of what the men do, be nice to see their share “donated” to the women’s team

I love what AFLW can do for the future of the game, but I think we could probably cool it a little on something that drastic.

They're paid a tenth of the men's side because it isn't a full time professional league and doesn't really bring in its own revenue.

The girls have done an amazing job to get to the top of the ladder, but I'm not quite sure it's worth $1m in prize money to be shared between them at the expense of the boys who toiled away from March through to September to set up the position at claiming it.

The bigger win here is that it's already shared evenly! I was actually somewhat surprised to read that it was.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Will be an amazing feat if they can pull this off, it's the ultimate high risk / high return strategy they have gone with.

I feel some of the smashings they will cop next year will be getting up towards the Demons Mark Neeld era level.

It'll be of epic proportions. Yze has no chance.

 

[DogDaySonny]

It'll be of epic proportions. Yze has no chance.

We should have a "Coaches Bye-Bye Watch" thread. There is no commentary, but people can vote two or three selections for "most likely to exit stage left next" on the list of coaches. Once a week or so, the voting opens again, and people can change their selection. I have no idea how polls work in this app, but that would be an interesting running poll to observe.

 

[Manila_Hawk]

It'll be of epic proportions. Yze has no chance.

I run a tipping contest for a few mates.

Usually the rule is... You can't tip any team to win more than twice or lose more than twice.

Next year, I am thinking of changing the rule to: Can't tip against the Tigers at all.

 

[hawkinoz]

Legend

 

[hawkinoz]

To compare the 'material' of deadshit GWS footballers to the craft of world-class comedians whose use of nuance and irony is everything is mind numbing... so thanks very much for articulating so effectively what has been bothering me reading through this thread.

But anyway thanks to all posters (who know who you are) in standing up against misogyny, racism and other neanderthal locker room behaviour. For those opposed, I get it's a testing time with changing standards, but my advice is just go with whatever social behaviours is going to cause the least harm to those who live amongst us – and we'll all get along fine.

Explains why there is an active attempt to silence women/girls speaking out about their safety and loss of opportunities due to trans invasion of their space, specially in sports.

If people don't know about it, we can all pretend no harm is being done and we can focus on what the media/woke lobby says is the "greater" harm.

 

[Off The Couch]

I love what AFLW can do for the future of the game, but I think we could probably cool it a little on something that drastic.

They're paid a tenth of the men's side because it isn't a full time professional league and doesn't really bring in its own revenue.

The girls have done an amazing job to get to the top of the ladder, but I'm not quite sure it's worth $1m in prize money to be shared between them at the expense of the boys who toiled away from March through to September to set up the position at claiming it.

The bigger win here is that it's already shared evenly! I was actually somewhat surprised to read that it was.

lol “cool it a little on something that drastic”

The share is 500k between them, the club gets the remainder - so we aren’t talking huge amounts at the end of the day

And because it’s not a full-time profession, many hold down full-time jobs and take LWOP during the season and sustain a loss, and then some only work casually because they move interstate during the season, so it’s not without sacrifices and “toil”