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[peetoo]

A bit like the Barry hall decision when the rules were found to be inadequate

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson: “The duty of care is informed by what is reasonable, not the expectation of the remarkable. Maynard won’t be found careless if we find he simply failed to do the remarkable” but on what was “achievable” or “reasonable”.

Ben Ihle, for the Pies, argues Brayden Maynard

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Brayden Maynard

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had about 0.12 to 0.15 of a second in between seeing Angus Brayshaw

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Angus Brayshaw

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and the contact being made to process the information and position his body.

Tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson earlier said the duty of care for Maynard is “informed by what is reasonable, not the expectation of the remarkable”.

Not surprised that experts on the subject were able to convince the tribunal that, unlike what some were arguing here, Maynard did not possess some kind of super-quantum thought process that allowed him to change his mind in mid-air and career into Brayshaw like a missile after missing a spoil in a fragment of a second.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

A bit like the Barry hall decision when the rules were found to be inadequate

No - the panel just found correctly that it was a footy accident and that Maynard is not some kind of diabolical supervillain who can bend time and physics at his will within fragments of seconds.

Neither Sicily or Maynard should have been suspended - I am glad at least one of them got off.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

If we ever hear another Collingwood complaint.. especially you Mr Peter Daicos

 

[robiecampbellbrown]

James Sicily

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James Sicily

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30

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6.0

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4.0

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4.2

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2.0

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173.8

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just threw away the remote

 

[KermitJagger]

Tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson: “The duty of care is informed by what is reasonable, not the expectation of the remarkable. Maynard won’t be found careless if we find he simply failed to do the remarkable” but on what was “achievable” or “reasonable”.

Ben Ihle, for the Pies, argues Brayden Maynard had about 0.12 to 0.15 of a second in between seeing Angus Brayshaw and the contact being made to process the information and position his body.

Tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson earlier said the duty of care for Maynard is “informed by what is reasonable, not the expectation of the remarkable”.

Not surprised that experts on the subject were able to convince the tribunal that, unlike what some were arguing here, Maynard had some kind of super-quantum thought process that allowed him to change his mind in mid-air and career into Brayshaw like a missile after missing a spoil in a fragment of a second.

This is bullshit though, it flies in the face of every other decision they've made to suspend despite similar situations. The act of turning and bracing for contact has been seen as the suspendable part of the action for the entire year and they've just sidelined it now.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

This is bullshit though, it flies in the face of every other decision they've made to suspend despite similar situations. The act of turning and bracing for contact has been seen as the suspendable part of the action for the entire year and they've just sidelined it now.

Look if this is what it takes for the tribunal and the game to realise this is a contact sport and that sometimes accidents happen then I am happy for the greater good. We can protect the head without rubbing everyone out for coming near a concussion.

 

[Yardie]

This is bullshit though, it flies in the face of every other decision they've made to suspend despite similar situations. The act of turning and bracing for contact has been seen as the suspendable part of the action for the entire year and they've just sidelined it now.

Both Rampe (concussion) and McCartin (broken jaw) were let off by the tribunal. The Sicily incident is the one that is bullshit.

 

[Flukey!]

The AFL are in a pickle now because they have been prosecuting the consequences, not the act.
They got Sis but that approach didn't work here. I suspect they will be pissed.

They will need to re-think their rules.

 

[hawkinoz]

This is bullshit though, it flies in the face of every other decision they've made to suspend despite similar situations. The act of turning and bracing for contact has been seen as the suspendable part of the action for the entire year and they've just sidelined it now.

exactly, AFL will wait the maximum allowed period and then appeal.

Then take maximum available time to set it all up. If Pies lose then we will hear actual verdict before GF day.

 

[KermitJagger]

Look if this is what it takes for the tribunal and the game to realise this is a contact sport and that sometimes accidents happen then I am happy for the greater good. We can protect the head without rubbing everyone out for coming near a concussion.

I'd be happier if they judged it consistently bad and an unpopular suspension was the impetus for change, not a weird late season change that doesn't jive with other decisions this season. It does nothing but show that the people making the decisions are unable or unwilling to do the unpopular thing when the stakes are high, and it's a big Melbourne club with supporters likely to go off in a big way.

 

[arupist]

No - the panel just found correctly that it was a footy accident and that Maynard is not some kind of diabolical supervillain who can bend time and physics at his will within fragments of seconds.

Neither Sicily or Maynard should have been suspended - I am glad at least one of them got off.

But that is just the problem, isn't it?

You can't be happy one got off. That makes the whole sh!t show a lucky dip. Sicily got done. Maynard should have also got done to show some consistency. There were arguments put forward that he propped and are bullsh!t because he still carried enough momentum to knock the guy out. He could have propped and stopped if he wanted to jump higher. But he didn't. Accident or not, he could have done a few things differently to avoid the result. What Maynard did, at the very least, was reckless. And he should have been penalised for it.

It is clear the head is no longer sacrosanct. And the AFL Tribunal continues to be a total circus.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

You can't be happy one got off.

I can though. I am being impartial. There have been so many clownshow decisions at the tribunal this year that I am glad one of them didn't cost someone a shot at playing in a grand final.

Hopefully the new brains trust can come together and rationalise over the off season how to adjudicate actual malicious acts and on-field accidents and come up with more outcomes like that tonight.

 

[JoeHawk]

Makes a complete mockery of the Sicily suspension. Both footy incidents yet Maynards hit was a lot harder by impact

 

[bigmaxi]

Look if this is what it takes for the tribunal and the game to realise this is a contact sport and that sometimes accidents happen then I am happy for the greater good. We can protect the head without rubbing everyone out for coming near a concussion.

Sorry but watch them roll it out next year, the concussion discussion will flair up over summer and next season inconsistency will prevail. It’s the AFL. This is the way.

 

[Gaston]

Thought he should have got a week but at least a due process was followed.
To not go to the tribunal would have been the travesty.
Now, for preseason traing, Hawthorn welcomes Jiimy Superfly Snuka.

 

[Cleavy]

are we expecting Martin from Carlton to get off OR successfully argue from 2 weeks down to 1?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Sorry but watch them roll it out next year, the concussion discussion will flair up over summer and next season inconsistency will prevail. It’s the AFL. This is the way.

You’re probably right, but it’s why I’ll take this shred of sanity if it’s on offer.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Look if this is what it takes for the tribunal and the game to realise this is a contact sport and that sometimes accidents happen then I am happy for the greater good. We can protect the head without rubbing everyone out for coming near a concussion.

^^^ This needs to be said again and applauded. Very well said Sir.

 

[Yardie]

But that is just the problem, isn't it?

You can't be happy one got off. That makes the whole sh!t show a lucky dip. Sicily got done. Maynard should have also got done to show some consistency. There were arguments put forward that he propped and are bullsh!t because he still carried enough momentum to knock the guy out. He could have propped and stopped if he wanted to jump higher. But he didn't. Accident or not, he could have done a few things differently to avoid the result. What Maynard did, at the very least, was reckless. And he should have been penalised for it.

It is clear the head is no longer sacrosanct. And the AFL Tribunal continues to be a total circus.

But this is the third hit to the head that got off this year. Sicily decision is the outlier and the club should be asking the question as to why he was treated differently.

 

[hardway]

Makes a complete mockery of the Sicily suspension. Both footy incidents yet Maynards hit was a lot harder by impact

We don’t have a very good legal team, they didn’t defend Sicily very well. Can’t remember the last player we actually had cleared from a hearing.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Now, for preseason traing, Hawthorn welcomes Jiimy Superfly Snuka.

Would be handy at future tribunal hearings - he was pretty good at getting away with murder.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Makes a complete mockery of the Sicily suspension. Both footy incidents yet Maynards hit was a lot harder by impact

Sicily was by far a more natural footy act that Maynard's.

I've never seen anyone try to spoil a kick by jumping at a player like Maynard did. Was reckless at the very least.

Sics on the other hand was a perfectly executed tackle that he won a free kick for.

Tribunal always chicken out when the heat is on them, so very predictable.

 

[hawk for 37]

Is it my brown and gold glasses, but surely no one got screwed at the tribunal like Hawthorn did this year.
The 2 worst decisions of the year were Day’s 2 weeks and Sicily’s 3.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Neither Sicily or Maynard should have been suspended - I am glad at least one of them got off.

You're on a roll Ned.
Those that wanted Maynard suspended because Sicily was, isn't justification for bad decisions to be accepted.