Current General Crime Chat: disturbing killers, other crimes and miscellaneous stuff

[rank and file]

Sounds like the same people/kids. How did you get the bike back? Might be time for a camera.

Pretty much word of mouth.
Got a new dog 6 weeks ago,more fun than a camera.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Pretty much word of mouth.
Got a new dog 6 weeks ago,more fun than a camera.

 

[Ticky009]

Pretty much word of mouth.
Got a new dog 6 weeks ago,more fun than a camera.

Was about to suggest that. I lived in a neighbourhood with a so called bad reputation when I first moved out of home. Living by myself so I got a nice little puppy German Shepard/Rottweiler cross. He was a sweetheart with family but god forbid anyone else come in the yard.

One time this little arseh*le who used to tease him went past and didn't realise the gate was open. Tyson chased him all the way home, the little arseh*le came back and told me and I'm like mate WTF did you think was going to happen after you've been giving him shit every time you walk past?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Those kids were from a halfway house nearby for young parolees. Local residents didn’t know it was there

 

[Awakening]

We once lived up the road from a halfway house. Got broken into twice by residents there. The second time my husband (then boyfriend) caught them in the house and chased them out. We moved shortly after that. Police did nothing.

 

[BFew]

Crime is the word on the front page of tomorrow's "West".

Cries of "Bring out your WA phone books and street directories."

 

[BFew]

Crime is the word on the front page of tomorrow's "West".

Cries of "Bring out your WA phone books and street directories."

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I can't understand how neither the State Library or WA Police were was so slack that both of them did not archive every single historical WA White/yellow pages and street directory.

Or did someone(s) borrow or destroy some of them and not return them?

Maybe some legacy WA coppers borrowed them to use during Police Interrogations.

 

[GreyCrow]

Crime is the word on the front page of tomorrow's "West".

Cries of "Bring out your WA phone books and street directories."

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Kids are asking their parents whats the black thing on the front of the paper mum - let me go ask grandpa

 

[chickenonachain]

One of them was released from the watchhouse just hours before the break in. Seems they just don't care, in one door out the other playing revolving doors.

I read that one of them had stabbed a bloke last year he was charged with attempted murder sentenced and recently let out. I don’t care if they’re young there has to be a deterrent put them away for a long time once they realise they are going to be punished maybe they’ll think about not doing crime.
Also saw some of family members are calling for them to be released FMD

 

[GreyCrow]

there has to be a deterrent put them away for a long time once they realise they are going to be punished maybe they’ll think about not doing crime.

Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. In their shitty pathetic lives the one place they can be the big dog is in juvie.

But mostly they get a routine where their lives are managed for them - 3 hots and a cot is a truism for most as its the first time they have stability.

It can become the one safe space they have - unfortunately they have to harm other people to get there.

I just hope there is recognition that the main culprit is a menace and spends a long time inside - getting whatever counselling and correction needed. Getting bashed every day is not the solution - as much as we want it - but certainly removing him from society is the first step.

I dont care what the family says he obviously has deep issues. Being away from a family that continues to make excuses for him should be a wake up call

 

[jason_recliner]

Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. In their shitty pathetic lives the one place they can be the big dog is in juvie.

But mostly they get a routine where their lives are managed for them - 3 hots and a cot is a truism for most as its the first time they have stability.

It can become the one safe space they have - unfortunately they have to harm other people to get there.

I just hope there is recognition that the main culprit is a menace and spends a long time inside - getting whatever counselling and correction needed. Getting bashed every day is not the solution - as much as we want it - but certainly removing him from society is the first step.

I dont care what the family says he obviously has deep issues. Being away from a family that continues to make excuses for him should be a wake up call

When people are in and out of incarceration it's too late. Rehabilitation will almost never work and they have to want to be rehabilitated. The answer is to lock them up for much, much longer. They'll be lifelong criminals but if we lock them up for 10, 15 years at a time, say they live to 60 or so, they only get four or five opportunities to offend. That's manageable and if pursued at scale will bring the serious crime rate right down.

 

[Awakening]

When people are in and out of incarceration it's too late. Rehabilitation will almost never work and they have to want to be rehabilitated. The answer is to lock them up for much, much longer. They'll be lifelong criminals but if we lock them up for 10, 15 years at a time, say they live to 60 or so, they only get four or five opportunities to offend. That's manageable and if pursued at scale will bring the serious crime rate right down.

My brother’s a social worker in a male prison. He says it’s a shame there’s not more intervention when these adults were kids or teens. Most are not “bad” just had ordinary upbringings, poor education, poor role models, extremely poor self image and self esteem (despite the bravado).

Like any of us, it’s very hard to change habits of a lifetime.

 

[Rob R]

When people are in and out of incarceration it's too late. Rehabilitation will almost never work and they have to want to be rehabilitated. The answer is to lock them up for much, much longer. They'll be lifelong criminals but if we lock them up for 10, 15 years at a time, say they live to 60 or so, they only get four or five opportunities to offend. That's manageable and if pursued at scale will bring the serious crime rate right down.

Why only 10 to 15 years? There should be a lot more crimes where the mandatory sentence is life without the chance of parole eg. murders during home invasion, killing a kid etc

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[Dogs_R_Us]

Unfortunately it doesnt work like that. In their shitty pathetic lives the one place they can be the big dog is in juvie.

But mostly they get a routine where their lives are managed for them - 3 hots and a cot is a truism for most as its the first time they have stability.

It can become the one safe space they have - unfortunately they have to harm other people to get there.

I just hope there is recognition that the main culprit is a menace and spends a long time inside - getting whatever counselling and correction needed. Getting bashed every day is not the solution - as much as we want it - but certainly removing him from society is the first step.

I dont care what the family says he obviously has deep issues. Being away from a family that continues to make excuses for him should be a wake up call

Where were the family to teach him right from wrong?

It's a bit of a cliche though. Having had a family member who got into trouble (mixing with the wrong sort) I can state that the family were always excellent and loving role models. So it can happen to anyone. But once should be enough and thankfully, in our family's case it was (25 years on).

 

[zedx]

My brother’s a social worker in a male prison. He says it’s a shame there’s not more intervention when these adults were kids or teens. Most are not “bad” just had ordinary upbringings, poor education, poor role models, extremely poor self image and self esteem (despite the bravado).

Like any of us, it’s very hard to change habits of a lifetime.

You've hit the nail on the head !! poor role models, extremely poor self image and self esteem. As a former Youth Development Officer I have seen this time after time. I have attended parenting classes with some parents who you can see are only going through the motions and have no intention on using what they have learnt. Its so frustrating sitting there with them when you can see/ know they are taking no notice. These parents need to be held accountable in some way. There definitely needs to be better early intervention, a more refined and knowledge based detention plan and a focus on after care/release. A big ask, but its the only way its going to work. Ive seen many a distressed child say they tried and tried but its so hard when their families seem to drag them back in and they just aren't strong enough to keep fighting to do good. Very sad,

 

[jason_recliner]

My brother’s a social worker in a male prison. He says it’s a shame there’s not more intervention when these adults were kids or teens. Most are not “bad” just had ordinary upbringings, poor education, poor role models, extremely poor self image and self esteem (despite the bravado).

Like any of us, it’s very hard to change habits of a lifetime.

Obviously, but these people exist and they aren't going away. It's too late to make them social so they need to be removed from society.

 

[Ticky009]

Those kids were from a halfway house nearby for young parolees. Local residents didn’t know it was there

Are you talking about the incident up in Qld?

 

[chickenonachain]

Why only 10 to 15 years? There should be a lot more crimes where the mandatory sentence is life without the chance of parole eg. murders during home invasion, killing a kid etc

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This if the offenders know you are going to get 15 years or whatever for doing a crime then I reckon they will think twice about doing the crime. At the moment they get hit with a wet lettuce leaf so they will commit crime over and over cause they know nothing will happen to them

 

[jason_recliner]

Hallelujah.

Emma Lovell's death sparks Queensland's 'most comprehensive' response to youth crime

We're not looking for solutions for offenders. We're looking for solutions for community safety.

 

[jason_recliner]

BS warning:

Sun's out, bums out: The group baring all in the name of body positivity

Can't comment on this one specifically but when I was MUCH younger a GF was involved in nudist activities, mainly steaming in a teepee with others. Looking back it was very much set up so that established older men could have access to young naked girls with implied 'hippie' legitimacy. I'm not saying, necessarily, don't get involved. But would I want my daughter to partake? F##K NO.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Hallelujah.

Emma Lovell's death sparks Queensland's 'most comprehensive' response to youth crime

We're not looking for solutions for offenders. We're looking for solutions for community safety.

I agree. Punishment is not the main issue. It’s preventing these crimes at the source. Much more difficult.

 

[Kurve]

My brother’s a social worker in a male prison. He says it’s a shame there’s not more intervention when these adults were kids or teens. Most are not “bad” just had ordinary upbringings, poor education, poor role models, extremely poor self image and self esteem (despite the bravado).

Like any of us, it’s very hard to change habits of a lifetime.

My idea of intervention for young people, is not by lumping them in with other crims or with people on a similar path in halfway houses. They need to be offered another path, or shocked on to another one, taken out of their situation and moved somewhere else if they will go, new start, different company, school and/or a job. Given a purpose.

 

[Butters and Pepper]

Hallelujah.

Emma Lovell's death sparks Queensland's 'most comprehensive' response to youth crime

We're not looking for solutions for offenders. We're looking for solutions for community safety.

Wow, do they really think increasing maximum sentence for car theft from 7 years to 10 years is going to make any difference at all!

I think the best options include more use of GPS tracking devices being worn (and harsh sentences for removing them), a presumption against bail in certain circumstances (such as previous breach(es) ), and repeat violent offenders being jailed indefinitely until they can demonstrate they are no longer a risk to the community.

 

[jason_recliner]

Wow, do they really think increasing maximum sentence for car theft from 7 years to 10 years is going to make any difference at all!

I think the best options include more use of GPS tracking devices being worn (and harsh sentences for removing them), a presumption against bail in certain circumstances (such as previous breach(es) ), and repeat violent offenders being jailed indefinitely until they can demonstrate they are no longer a risk to the community.

All excellent initiatives.

 

[Butters and Pepper]

My idea of intervention for young people, is not by lumping them in with other crims or with people on a similar path in halfway houses. They need to be offered another path, or shocked on to another one, taken out of their situation and moved somewhere else if they will go, new start, different company, school and/or a job. Given a purpose.

Yeah this is very important. I think more programs similar to the one we've had in SA, in Flinders Ranges for young offenders, is the way to go.