Mega Thread General MFC Discussion IV – Roffey and Pert Gone, Bartlett Case Settled, Board Election Finalised

[GoDees69]

Yep, his efforts this year were awful - in his entire career I've never seen him phone it in like that. Obviously I hope he can turn it around but I'm genuinely unsure if he can/will.

I totally agree and you know I’m the biggest Oliver nuffy outside Demonlaand.

I would be happy with a 50/50 hope for him to get it back, but I think that is optimistic.

I honestly thought we should have traded him end of 2023. A new start for both Oliver and MFC. I would still be a nuffy, though maybe not if he went to Carlton.

Sadly I don’t think we will get to see 2021 Oliver again. Something has occurred here and his fight back to being what he was is probably too long a journey… hope for the best but if he gets there, great. I do suspect we missed the moment to help both parties though.

 

[dazzledavey36]

 

[schmuttt]

Strong preference on someone who is an outsider with no ties to any current admin or coaches.

 

[hairy biker]

FWIW Charlie Gardiner is still highly thought of at the Swans.

Came to the club, in late 2018, from lawyers Arnold Bloch Leibler where he was a senior associate in their dispute resolution and litigation team (and they tend not to employ/promote dunderheads).

Appointed Exec GM of Football and held the role during the Covid hubs, where it is generally agreed the leadership of Harley, Longmire and Gardiner was exemplary and whereas other clubs hated the hubs, they were, in the aftermath generally seen as an positive environment/experience for the Swans.
The buy-in was such that with limited support personnel in the hub CEO Harley became our bench coach and Gardiner our runner.

He's a former AFL player (60 odd games) and former AFLPA club delegate, so fair to say a broad range of exposure across various roles.

Also known as a person who lets people get on with their jobs (eg was nominally in charge of the recruitment/list mgmt team, but backed them and didn't interfere).

Moved back to Melbourne, in the last year, for unspecified family reasons, but retained, by the Swans, on a consultancy basis and still the player contract negotiator and also provides in-house legal advice.

Just to be clear, no I'm not Charlie or have any connection with him, but a guy with an excellent resume, a broad range of skills and just as importantly for a football club CEO he plays well with others (and still only in his early 40s).

Move quickly I'd suggest Demons.

 

[Daemon]

Man I hope the pies appoint Bell. Do not want him anywhere near us.

 

[schmuttt]

Imagine appointing Bell

Snuffaluphagus

 

[Scythe94]

Board election is underway (voting closes 15 December). Check your emails if you're a member

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Ideally id like someone who doesnt like Simon Goodwin as our next CEO.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Ideally id like someone who doesnt like Simon Goodwin as our next CEO.

I mean if were going by Dees members on BF, that's a long list of candidates.

 

[Proper Gander]

Ideally id like someone who doesnt like Simon Goodwin as our next CEO.

We missed our chance to get behind someone as nominee for director

Also you don’t get to vote for CEO, you just get to vote for someone you hope isn’t howlingly stupid in supporting the appointment of the wrong CEO

 

[Bluelegs]

We missed our chance to get behind someone as nominee for director

Also you don’t get to vote for CEO, you just get to vote for someone you hope isn’t howlingly stupid in supporting the appointment of the wrong CEO

Yeah board and president are unpaid volunteers. CEO is a paid position.

For the board you basically want people who are highly passionate about the club who also have experience running businesses or organisations well. Avoid social climbers and egotists who are more interested in rubbing shoulders with industry leaders and having a nice position to put on their CV also weirdos who are more interested their own performative moral crusades.

For a CEO you just want the best person for the job. Who they barrack for is irrelevant.

 

[Proper Gander]

Yeah board and president are unpaid volunteers. CEO is a paid position.

For the board you basically want people who are highly passionate about the club who also have experience running businesses or organisations well. Avoid social climbers and egotists who are more interested in rubbing shoulders with industry leaders and having a nice position to put on their CV also weirdos who are more interested their own performative moral crusades.

For a CEO you just want the best person for the job. Who they barrack for is irrelevant.

We need a board tough enough to fight for the best manager.

Pretty sure Peter Jackson put his recommendation elsewhere but we got Pert who was at a loose end and the AFL looked after him.

Like also St Kilda, they got Lethlean forced on them when he had to be booted from his AFL role, but they leant on a small club in debt to find a buddy a job

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

We missed our chance to get behind someone as nominee for director

Also you don’t get to vote for CEO, you just get to vote for someone you hope isn’t howlingly stupid in supporting the appointment of the wrong CEO

Yeah board and president are unpaid volunteers. CEO is a paid position.

For the board you basically want people who are highly passionate about the club who also have experience running businesses or organisations well. Avoid social climbers and egotists who are more interested in rubbing shoulders with industry leaders and having a nice position to put on their CV also weirdos who are more interested their own performative moral crusades.

For a CEO you just want the best person for the job. Who they barrack for is irrelevant.

I understand this, I just think it would really neat if they hired someone who thinks Goodwin sucks and wants to select his own coach.

Get Charlie Gardiner and have him bring Longmire out of retirement. Ill take losing grand finals in embarrassing fashion over the straights sets exits and no finals embarrassments that we currently are.

 

[Proper Gander]

I understand this, I just think it would really neat if they hired someone who thinks Goodwin sucks and wants to select his own coach.

Get Charlie Gardener and have him bring Longmire out of retirement. Ill take losing grand finals in embarrassing fashion over the straights sets exits and no finals embarrassments that we currently are.

Dunno.

The one good thing that has come from this is no Thursday nights and nice, civilised time-slots where I have my pick of general admission golf claps to surrounding quiet.

Don’t know about the embarrassing losing in a granny. I looked at the Sydney board after and had to go for a peaceful yet slightly sad walk.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Dunno.

The one good thing that has come from this is no Thursday nights and nice, civilised time-slots where I have my pick of general admission golf claps to surrounding peace.

Don’t know about the embarrassing losing in a granny. I looked at the Sydney board after and had to go for a peaceful yet slightly sad walk.

They are like spoiled children, id take any of those GF losses over the past 3 years from our mob. Its been the most boring shit ever and the home and away wins have counted for absolutely nothing. The Swans play attractive football, thats all I want, to be able to enjoy watching Melbourne play football again.

 

[Proper Gander]

They are like spoiled children, id take any of those GF losses over the past 3 years from our mob. Its been the most boring shit ever and the home and away wins have counted for absolutely nothing. The Swans play attractive football, thats all I want, to be able to enjoy watching Melbourne play football again.

With this I am in complete agreement.

I would like to see some games where it doesn’t feel like a chore or a penance to watch. And Swans were great value for a good part of the season - their form just fell away at exactly the wrong time

 

[Demon Attack]

Horse is massively overrated imo. This board would absolutely hate him if he coached us.

I reckon Swannies had the best list for half his time up there and got nothing out of it.

 

[The Dr]

Horse is massively overrated imo. This board would absolutely hate him if he coached us.

I reckon Swannies had the best list for half his time up there and got nothing out of it.

One flag and three GF appearances, finals pretty much every year, and fast, attacking footy?

Yeah I'd say he's a reasonable coach


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[MarcMaverick]

One flag and three GF appearances, finals pretty much every year, and fast, attacking footy?

Yeah I'd say he's a reasonable coach


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3? Isn't it 4? 2014,16,22,24?

He is a reasonable coach, just something almost always goes awry on GF Day.

Sydney might be playing fast attacking footy, but they looked really slow against the Lions, who had been playing every week in different stadiums.

 

[The Dr]

3? Isn't it 4? 2014,16,22,24?

He is a reasonable coach, just something almost always goes awry on GF Day.

Sydney might be playing fast attacking footy, but they looked really slow against the Lions, who had been playing every week in different stadiums.

Four GFs, one flag and finals nearly every year ... it's an incredible record.

But yeah, you can't ignore the debacles on GF day in recent years. But overall it's something every team would be over the moon with.

 

[PerfectFooty]

You can make anything sound bad if you try hard enough. I remember when my Carlton mates where turning on Malthouse (And yes they we're right he shouldn't have been coaching them) that he only won 3 premierships in 3 decades of coaching. But half of that time his sides made finals

But you could also put a positive spin on it too, C Scott has netted 2 premierships coaching for 13 years and is regarded as a great coach. If he'd lost both grand finals (particularly the first one) their supporters would probably think he underachieved with the amount of times they've made the 8

I tend not to look into the records of coaches, unless they're demonstratively bad. It's really down to how you perceive achieving and underachieving so i don't see people changing their tunes

As for Horse, i think he's a good coach that understands the game and his players well. As for the Swans shitting themselves on Grand Final day lately, idk sometimes you can only do so much as a coach. He does well to guide them there, but they're also the ones shitting themselves on the day

 

[MarcMaverick]

You can make anything sound bad if you try hard enough. I remember when my Carlton mates where turning on Malthouse (And yes they we're right he shouldn't have been coaching them) that he only won 3 premierships in 3 decades of coaching. But half of that time his sides made finals

But you could also put a positive spin on it too, C Scott has netted 2 premierships coaching for 13 years and is regarded as a great coach. If he'd lost both grand finals (particularly the first one) their supporters would probably think he underachieved with the amount of times they've made the 8

I tend not to look into the records of coaches, unless they're demonstratively bad. It's really down to how you perceive achieving and underachieving so i don't see people changing their tunes

As for Horse, i think he's a good coach that understands the game and his players well. As for the Swans shitting themselves on Grand Final day lately, idk sometimes you can only do so much as a coach. He does well to guide them there, but they're also the ones shitting themselves on the day

I guess he we leading them to water but he couldn't make them drink

 

[Daemon]

I guess he we leading them to water but he couldn't make them drink

I'd take that over Goodwin any day. Don't forget it was Gawn telling him to play Jackson and the midfielders ignoring instructions that won us that day. Goody wanted to go in his shell and if we had kept playing safe we would have lost.

 

[PerfectFooty]

I aint no Goodwin fan, and i want him gone.

But some of you do also make out like he's worse than Neeld

Dislike almost everything we've done since, but i aint taking 21 off him. **** him off now, but he'll rightfully be at reunions

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

but i aint taking 21 off him. **** him off now, but he'll rightfully be at reunions

No one said you had to.

I feel this is part of the problem with the club however, they feel like they owe him because of 21 rather than judging him on what hes done since. Or worse still, think it will happen again just coz we have a lot of the same players and the same coach, rather than going off the evidence the past 3 years, completely deluded.