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The intention wasn’t to pile on Rutten. Yes it’s a dead rubber but so were the Brisbane and Sydney games.

Senior players hanging around Jones for celebratory bum slaps was one of my main gripes. That said, would a different coach stand for that behaviour? All the on field things that are cringeworthy seem to come from our club i.e. smiling after losing, Parker mocking Shiel without any remonstration, Parish ignoring Heppell, that last 60 seconds of football. To me these things make us look like a complete f’ing rabble of a club.
Who says Rutten stands for that behaviour or that it was Rutten's direction to stand around to celebrate Jones' goal? That's very much symptomatic of poor on-field leadership. Everyone knows we lack on-field leaders.

Serious question to the Rutten critics. With what is arguably the most difficult fixture in the competition while also playing pretty much all the draftees from the last 3 years that we can play, does anyone seriously believe we have a top 8 list? Mind you we play 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th twice. And we've already played all of the most difficult teams with 18th, 15th, 11th and 10th remaining.

If people believe Rutten should be coaching this team to finals this year, then people are grossly overestimating the quality and experience of the list. If people don't believe we have a top 8 list given the fixture, then we didn't finish top 8 as expected.

I genuinely cannot see why people are so harsh on Rutten. Redman, Hind, Parish, Laverde, BZT, Caldwell, Wright, Draper, Stringer last year and even Shiel and McGrath recently have completely changed the way they played under him. That's on top of the positive developments of Hobbs, Perkins, Durham, D'Ambrosio and eventually Cox, Reid, Bryan, Baldwin, Menzie, Tex, Eyre, Brand etc. You can see the players starting to understand team defence and defending the ground better for longer against good opponents. There's still a lot of progress to be made, but that is expected as the coach and players build chemistry and adapt to the game plan. Rutten clearly has the credentials to build a defensively sound team given he did exactly that at Richmond who had the players to implement it.

The positives far outweigh the negatives. Developing a list requires patience. Will Rutten win a premiership? I don't know, but I don't know if McRae, Voss or Longmuir will win one either. It's funny because some Fremantle supporters were saying the same thing about Longmuir last year. Imagine if they sacked him instead of recognising that a young team takes time to develop?
 
Who says Rutten stands for that behaviour or that it was Rutten's direction to stand around to celebrate Jones' goal? That's very much symptomatic of poor on-field leadership. Everyone knows we lack on-field leaders.

Serious question to the Rutten critics. With what is arguably the most difficult fixture in the competition while also playing pretty much all the draftees from the last 3 years that we can play, does anyone seriously believe we have a top 8 list? Mind you we play 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th twice. And we've already played all of the most difficult teams with 18th, 15th, 11th and 10th remaining.

If people believe Rutten should be coaching this team to finals this year, then people are grossly overestimating the quality and experience of the list. If people don't believe we have a top 8 list given the fixture, then we didn't finish top 8 as expected.
Who says Rutten stands for that behaviour or that it was Rutten's direction to stand around to celebrate Jones' goal? That's very much symptomatic of poor on-field leadership. Everyone knows we lack on-field leaders.

Serious question to the Rutten critics. With what is arguably the most difficult fixture in the competition while also playing pretty much all the draftees from the last 3 years that we can play, does anyone seriously believe we have a top 8 list? Mind you we play 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th twice. And we've already played all of the most difficult teams with 18th, 15th, 11th and 10th remaining.

If people believe Rutten should be coaching this team to finals this year, then people are grossly overestimating the quality and experience of the list. If people don't believe we have a top 8 list given the fixture, then we didn't finish top 8 as expected.

I genuinely cannot see why people are so harsh on Rutten. Redman, Hind, Parish, Laverde, BZT, Caldwell, Wright, Draper, Stringer last year and even Shiel and McGrath recently have completely changed the way they played under him. That's on top of the positive developments of Hobbs, Perkins, Durham, D'Ambrosio and eventually Cox, Reid, Bryan, Baldwin, Menzie, Tex, Eyre, Brand etc. You can see the players starting to understand team defence and defending the ground better for longer against good opponents. There's still a lot of progress to be made, but that is expected as the coach and players build chemistry and adapt to the game plan. Rutten clearly has the credentials to build a defensively sound team given he did exactly that at Richmond who had the players to implement it.

The positives far outweigh the negatives. Developing a list requires patience. Will Rutten win a premiership? I don't know, but I don't know if McRae, Voss or Longmuir will win one either. It's funny because some Fremantle supporters were saying the same thing about Longmuir last year. Imagine if they sacked him instead of recognising that a young team takes time to develop?
I can’t agree with your first paragraph. For me it’s professionalism that is instilled by both coaches and leadership. You could argue it’s a whole of club thing.

The other paragraphs I agree with but don’t think you’re necessarily responding to me. I am also not a Rutten critic per se - though I am critical in this instant. I’ve said elsewhere Rutten has time (or likely to have).
 

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I can’t agree with your first paragraph. For me it’s professionalism that is instilled by both coaches and leadership. You could argue it’s a whole of club thing.

The other paragraphs I agree with but don’t think you’re necessarily responding to me. I am also not a Rutten critic per se - though I am critical in this instant. I’ve said elsewhere Rutten has time (or likely to have).
Yes I'm not responding to you with the rest as that's more for the people that continuously want the club to sack Rutten for Clarko.

I can see why you'd see it that way, but I think culture takes a lot longer to change. I don't think everything we see happening on the field is a reflection of Rutten's coaching. It took Paul Roos and Goodwin a long time to change Melbourne's culture and there were a lot of bumps along the way (such as finishing 17th the year after making a prelim). Dimma also took a long time to change Richmond's culture and faced many bumps along the way (such a very poor year 2016 and embarrassing EF exists). Fagan (with Hodge's help) is still struggling to make Brisbane a premiership contender and continues to face challenges.

These things happen. A club with a systemic losing culture is not going to change overnight. If Clarko took over, then he'd face a lot of struggles to turn the club around.
 
EDIT: Kind of concerning for the Roos if Clarko's manager met with the Kangas on the weekend, and has still not decided to meet with the team by now. Even more concerning that they need an external cricketer to "convince" him. You'd think if Clarko wanted it, he'd have it. And if he thought the Roos had what it takes to become a premiership team, there'd be no delay to meet, there'd be no need to convince.

More embarrassing (and funny) for the Roos if true.
 
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Kind of concerning for the Roos if Clarko met with the Kangas on the weekend, and has still not taken it by now. Even more concerning that they need an external cricketer to "convince" him. You'd think if Clarko wanted it, he'd have it. And if he thought the Roos had what it takes to become a premiership team, there'd be no waiting, there'd be no need to convince. Something tells me Clarko didn't like the inner stink of the place...

More embarrassing (and funny) for the Roos if true.
Who says he did?
 
You said you knew about Saad coz you had a mate who was friends with the Carlton recruiter. And you knew about Caldwell coz you had a mate who was close to him. 🤔

Now that’s some keen observations right there.
 

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I’ll give $100 right now to the mods if you do the same.

If Clarko is coaching Essendon in 2023 you can have it. If he’s not, they can donate it to charity.

Deal? Easy money for you - because of course you know.
 
He'd have done well to meet with them since he was coming back from the British Open. ;)

Clarko's been back in the country since the 18th so if it's taking almost 2 weekends (and a manager meeting) later to decide to simply meet with the Roos themselves (instead of with Ricky Ponting) - it's either because he's a really lazy person or just isn't that keen. Embarrassing for the Roos if the latter. ;)
 
Personally if I was Clarko, I'd just take an extra year off. Spend some more time with the fam.

Wait to see how Beveridge, Hinkley, Fagan or Rutten does next year...

A lot more appetizing prospects in 2023 to take over than the trash heap that is North.
 
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Personally if I was Clarko, I'd just take an extra year off. Spend some more time with the fam.

Wait to see how Beveridge, Hinkley, Fagan or Rutten does next year...

A lot more appetizing prospects in 2023 to take over than the trash heap that is Norf.
The way things are going if he takes the North Job he can be the coach of the Tasmanian Kangaroos in two years. :p
 
I’ll give $100 right now to the mods if you do the same.

If Clarko is coaching Essendon in 2023 you can have it. If he’s not, they can donate it to charity.

Deal? Easy money for you - because of course you know.

Wouldn’t want to take your easy money, put it towards a membership next year when Clarkos coach ;)
 
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