Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[BORIS332]

Very very few if any but I’m not understanding how that’s relevant? I’m not arguing that at all. 18 year old, raw ruckman, Dodson, doesn’t solve our 2025-26 ruck issues which you’ve stated.

It's relevant because you said "but it’s clear Conways body is a huge worry" when he's only 21 years old and has at least another 2-3 years to build.

I never said drafting an 18-year-old ruckman would solve our 2025-26 ruck issues, but having 3x rucks between 18-21 years old probably solves our 2028-30 ruck issues. You don't draft for next year.

 

[BORIS332]

Our record of drafting rucks is horrible. That is probably been our worst drafting position over the years. Our only decent rucks over recent years are players like Barnes, Ottens and Stanley all from other clubs and a couple of them weren't even traded in as rucks. We have drafted players like Hooper, Chambers and Street. Doesn't hold out hope

Bit harsh given we've hardly drafted any rucks, in the National Draft anyway. We've typically traded them in or rookied them.

 

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[Schmuck]

It's relevant because you said "but it’s clear Conways body is a huge worry" when he's only 21 years old and has at least another 2-3 years to build.

I never said drafting an 18-year-old ruckman would solve our 2025-26 ruck issues, but having 3x rucks between 18-21 years old probably solves our 2028-30 ruck issues. You don't draft for next year.

Which his body clearlyis if we’re intent on drafting the best ruckman in the draft 4 out of the last 5 years. (Yes I know Neale is now a FWD). Not many ruckman have as many foot injuries in there careers, as Toby has had in 3 years.

My point still stand that as highly rated internally and externally as Conway is, us drafting another highly touted ruckman for 28-30’ shows we don’t have confidence in Conway/Edwards being there.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I suspect the club will prioritise Conway in the ones and have Edwards/Dodson sharing the ruck in the twos. It's probably highly unlikely all three will be fit at the same time anyway.

I mean with Conway's injury record that's probably true. But still my point was if they are all to make it with us long term at least one has to develop as a forward which would give neale some much needed competition anyway.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I wouldn't be doing that trade every draft. But the evenness of this one together with the issue of next years being heavily compromised gives me confidence that a trade with the Bombers is a goer. To walk away with 2 players in the top 35 picks rather than one next year in the mid 20's seems a good deal to me. Particularly if you rate this draft class higher than next years which most do.

I agree this draft has good talent but I think our pick being 20s next year given our age profile is a pretty big assumption.

 

[bloodygoose]

I'm just going to stick this here.
Did we trade out David the cat? Where is he?

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[Lana]

Could 45+F3 get us below P30 on the night in a live trade?

Not likely

 

[ninjahcat]

If we trade up to get Dodson it’s clear that, The club has little faith in Conways body
- The club has little faith in either Edwards body or long term tenure in Vic.

I’d be pretty surprised if we manage to trade up, there are half a dozen teams looking to trade back in with futures and i would think only maybe three clubs want to trade out.
Clubs saw how successful we were with max holmes so they might put us down the pecking order.
Richmond should trade out one of their top 24 picks so they dilute their picks across this year and next. I know its a good draft but i dont think its a great idea to have so many drafted in one year.

 

[BORIS332]

Which his body clearlyis if we’re intent on drafting the best ruckman in the draft 4 out of the last 5 years. (Yes I know Neale is now a FWD). Not many ruckman have as many foot injuries in there careers, as Toby has had in 3 years.

My point still stand that as highly rated internally and externally as Conway is, us drafting another highly touted ruckman for 28-30’ shows we don’t have confidence in Conway/Edwards being there.

Disagree.

 

[BORIS332]

I mean with Conway's injury record that's probably true. But still my point was if they are all to make it with us long term at least one has to develop as a forward which would give neale some much needed competition anyway.

There are many, many more options than that.

 

[tielgaz]

If we trade up to get Dodson it’s clear that, The club has little faith in Conways body
- The club has little faith in either Edwards body or long term tenure in Vic.

No it’s a back up

 

[Kobe Gryant]

No it’s a back up

You don't tend to trade first round picks for "back up". I think that's where there's a communication breakdown for some, which is nobody's fault.

I don't believe anyone is against taking another ruckman, they just don't want to have to trade our future first to do so.

If he slides, or its a future second round pick or something then I'm all for it, as I'm sure most would be.

It's the future first that's getting people off-side, particularly when we've already invested real collateral in the ruck position in recent years.

 

[Schmuck]

Disagree.

All well and good, healthy debate

 

[FootyLad0]

Irrelevant to Geelong but the major one starts at pick 2. North keeping their pick very hush on the premise they want a good return if they trade back. Crows look likely to take Draper but indicating they want Langford. Melbourne really want Langford or Jagga badly. It’s pretty fun for the draft’s top fifteen not to be just mapped out for us as it has been in previous seasons.

I think it speaks volumes that the top end isn't set, people have talked a LOT about this being a deep draft. What they aren't mentioning is that the reason it's deep is because there's no set genuine ready to go superstars at the very top it's a much more spread out 1st round where genuinely about 35+ guys could go in the first round and be a "good" pick.
Maybe Ashcroft is the one standout he's not an option as Brisbane pretty much already have him.

Otherwise there is no standout players, the top 15 is all could theoretically be stars or just role players.

This is a good thing for us as it will mean more "risers" and "fallers" meaning someone who really should be a first round pick slips all the way down to us and we snag another kid way below what they should have been picked.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Hamingja]

What attributes does he have that Hardie didn't which would make him a chance at AFL selection?

 

[Two Planks]

What attributes does he have that Hardie didn't which would make him a chance at AFL selection?

At worst he would be an afl standard tagger and would at least be the equal of Tom Atkins

 

[stac]

would give him a chance with a late pick if still on the board.
ready to go as keen as anyone and loves the contest

could try him as a lock down small defender or tagger

 

[Kobe Gryant]

At worst he would be an afl standard tagger and would at least be the equal of Tom Atkins

I want us to get Brew as well, but that's a bit much.

If the worst case scenario was another Tom Atkins he would have been picked up years ago. Axe is no star, but he's not such a spud that you can just find his type anywhere.

The worst case is he helps out at VFL level which we'll need after a few departures, best case he can play a role and impact as a bottom 6-10 player for a few years.

You'd take that from a rookie pick though 100 times, so would be happy to pick him up.

 

[Schmuck]

At worst he would be an afl standard tagger and would at least be the equal of Tom Atkins

Tom Atkins at worst? I think that’s best case scenario.

 

[SkittleCats]

Well shit im sold, what with him being a good bloke and all i cant see how this could possibly fail? Obviously every recruiter overlooking him for the better part of 10 years has gotten it wrong.

 

[ShaunWDT]

What attributes does he have that Hardie didn't which would make him a chance at AFL selection?

Defensive side of his game is far better, I think we are far more likely to go one of the younger mature agers though.

 

[year of the cat]

Well shit im sold, what with him being a good bloke and all i cant see how this could possibly fail? Obviously every recruiter overlooking him for the better part of 10 years has gotten it wrong.

He’s basically groveling!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He’s basically groveling!

Would prefer that over the care free attitude of not wanting it enough like N.Ablett or Donohue as F/S selections.