Unsolved Girls that went missing from Adelaide Oval 1973

[Kurve]

Of interest.
- Arthur Brown - The Beaumont Children

 

[Macca180]

the amount of detail and time you all have put into it is phenomenal.

Agree, this is an amazing thread. Kudos to everyone.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

"If true SAPOL were in his pocket it seems because of his known horticultural endeavours at Yatina."


please elaborate what your referring to arb ?
I haven't heard that story ?

There was discussion around page 6 of this thread where it was mentioned he was in the trade

if he was walking with a stoop then how could her comfortably walk for so long with a four year old under his arm?

What if he was walking that way to shield his face from being seen? If he was wearing a large Oppenheimer hat then his face may not have been clear enough to identify. Maybe that detail was planned, showing a slight level of premed.

Idk if I’m way off here, today is the first time I’ve commented in this thread and the amount of detail and time you all have put into it is phenomenal.

The time elapse from first abduction to last sighting was 90 minutes and they had traveled 3klm only. It supports that there was a move toward the zoo (where seen by SL) then backtrack toward where last seen in opposite direction. The elapse time of 90 minutes meant it wasn't comfortable at all. Was an utter struggle in fact. The only reason imo why he'd go a wrong direction is if there was a known pickup point from a ring but they may have abandoned it when he took two instead only one. Perhaps he had a specified time to get there and Joanne fighting so strongly ruined it meaning he had to drag them back to his car parked elsewhere

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Vehicles:

Brown drove a blue Vauxhall Victor

Hart:

Unsure but Marshalls confession says he was 3-4 years old and that the girls were loaded into a "van" in which he was occupant. He has psychiatric disorders so sorting fact from fiction is problematic.......


Known associates of Hart who were there.

Frank Bone
Terry Smythe

Hart has a son name Andrew Arthur Hart born 1946, died 2018. He was 27 at the time of abduction .

There was a transexual or crossdresser loitering around the toilets at the time. Though identified in an article they never came forward. It's possible they were a lookout. It sounds as though they may have witnessed the abduction

This one shred of information.....by Kilmartin that they went left gives greater credence to hypothesis there was a ring involved imo. Why else go left but end up right 90 minutes later unless there was a failed rendezvous involved? It didn't go to plan. Clearly. They abandoned him. He waited but gave up and backtracked.

 

[Zebo]

I don't dismiss it at all. But the two need to reconcile. SL says she's certain it's Brown even though she saw them across the river and reported years later.Kilmartin says the person most looks like Hart even though he was major contributor to the identakit (when SL wasn't) and watched the whole abduction unfold closely (because he was fixated on Joanne from teen attraction).The two can't both be correct. The recent under investigation doco identified the two but used facial recognition software on the identakit and it matched Brown at 1,3, 4, Hart not identified close at all even though there are similarities between them. SL can't have been certain if she saw the people from across the river. It disturbs me she said she was. Hart has associate connections and grandson confession letter. Brown lived in QLD and his only connection is SL identifying him with certainty now disputed by the person most responsible for the identification in the first place. Are they both being affected by confirmation bias.....Kilmartin hearing all the stories connecting Hart and SL identifying Brown from his Mackay sisters murder video then knowing he meets the offending profile. I think it's possible. What identification has most veracity? This might seem strange but between the two I lean to Hart now because there should at least be some doubt with what SL saw across the river and she discounts that entirely even though she had to be 30-40 metres away. I think they BOTH saw the abduction but one or both are influenced by confirmation bias to be persuaded to a conclusion on who the identakit actually was. So his testimony aids that SL saw the man but we remain in dispute now as to who it actually was. Throw in the third guy Radan who was visited by SAPOL in QLD jail prior to his death. He was 27 at time of BC and 34 at time of AO.

Having seen an image of Radan his likeness to identakit image is at least as close as Brown in my opinion. He volunteered for permanent detention in 84 upon being convicted for 12 years but has never been released

Can you post the photo and/or a link?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think the person seen abducting the kids was Radan. Perhaps also BC..I suspect there was a ring and both were planned.. if he hadn't had a conviction by 73 (age 34) it makes a lot of sense to use him to be frontline instead of Hart. Hart was too prolific and visible because of it.

I understand that Hart and Radan knew each other

 

[johnymac1]

With all due respect, to me it just seems like you are desperate to dismiss Sue Lawrie's account.

Kilmartin said they turned left towards the zoo, and you accept that, but then dismiss SL's account that they actually continued in that direction to where she saw them near Frome Rd, and instead, you say they back tracked and believe the account of a sole witness in the opposite direction.

Not only would it seem more plausible for the two separate accounts of them going in the same direction be more likely, but It would seem implausible, that a person who has just abducted 2 children, would want to backtrack past the place where they'd committed the crime and where people would be looking.

I go by the sighting in Bonython Park. Some dude saw them moving through the Park headed across Port Road. Police door to door searching was done behind coke and the Brewery. I cant remember exactly, but I thought Radan was Mile End.

 

[Macka_321]

Tune into 9 news tonight.

 

[Macka_321]

I think now it’s pretty obvious who was responsible wish MC would make a statement this needs to be solved.

 

[Macka_321]

 

[Bits]

I understand that Hart and Radan knew each other

That’s interesting, and new (to me anyway) information. How did they know each other?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

That’s interesting, and new (to me anyway) information. How did they know each other?

From what I understand Hart was in jail with Lyle Radan (the brother) who was convicted of murder

 

[johnymac1]

Channel 9 says it a three-horse race, Hart, Brown or Radan.
We've been looking, but still haven't found any photos of Errol Radan

 

[nominal_port_supporter]

Vehicles:

Brown drove a blue Vauxhall Victor

Hart:

Unsure but Marshalls confession says he was 3-4 years old and that the girls were loaded into a "van" in which he was occupant. He has psychiatric disorders so sorting fact from fiction is problematic.......


Known associates of Hart who were there.

Frank Bone
Terry Smythe

Hart has a son name Andrew Arthur Hart born 1946, died 2018. He was 27 at the time of abduction .

There was a transexual or crossdresser loitering around the toilets at the time. Though identified in an article they never came forward. It's possible they were a lookout. It sounds as though they may have witnessed the abduction

This one shred of information.....by Kilmartin that they went left gives greater credence to hypothesis there was a ring involved imo. Why else go left but end up right 90 minutes later unless there was a failed rendezvous involved? It didn't go to plan. Clearly. They abandoned him. He waited but gave up and backtracked.

I thought it was established that the male dressed in women's clothing had been dared to do so by his teammates at his football club? From memory, that's what was said on the Casefile podcast at least.

 

[Kurve]

It's news to me that Hart had the history, having asked about it before but here it is. It suggests he was on bail, I wonder what the result was.

 

[Poppy Penny]

I wonder how Kilmartin "had previously served the girls" though? Kirste and Joanne had only met that day. Even if he'd served just Joanne, he must have a good memory as Norwood only played at Adelaide Oval twice in 1973. Huge crowds attended Adelaide Oval in those golden SANFL days. I otherwise believe his account as an eyewitness.

I remember lolly and drink sellers walking in the grandstands. Perhaps Kilmartin had previously sold them items there, earlier in the day.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Redirect Notice

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This is the image of Lyle Radan

 

[Zebo]

It's news to me that Hart had the history, having asked about it before but here it is. It suggests he was on bail, I wonder what the result was.

View attachment 1783677

2 x 3.5 years, and 2 x 2 years, to be served concurrently

 

[Kwality]

'Bevan Spencer von Einem knows many of Adelaide’s ghastly secrets, possibly going back to the Beaumonts, but he’s not talking.'

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-family-murders-still-haunt-adelaide-and-one-man-knows-the-truth/news-story/e8ef7b88456a709b76b0fdd3a420a831

'Von Einem was a suburban accountant with pretensions to sophistication, and his balance sheet of wickedness presents a series of clues and “coincidences” that place him at or near the heart of other legendarily unsolved killings: the disappearance from Adelaide Oval 50 years ago on Friday of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon; at least five murders, possibly by a highly placed group of influential Adelaide citizens known as The Family; and even the abduction of the Beaumont children in 1966.'

'In 2007, police reinterviewed von Einem about that infamous day after Channel 7 found footage of a crowd watching police divers checking drains at Glenelg. A man strikingly similar to von Einem is seen near a fellow whose appearance is close to that photofit.'

 

[Macka_321]

As much as everyone would like this case solved I have no faith in MC whatsoever I’d like to be wrong about them though.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

As much as everyone would like this case solved I have no faith in MC whatsoever I’d like to be wrong about them though.

The way this case has been handled smells to high heaven.

 

[Kurve]

2 x 3.5 years, and 2 x 2 years, to be served concurrently

Thanks Zebo, do you know if it was first offences or if there was any other history there?

The girls went missing in 1973, these offences were in the 1970s, do we have a date for conviction?

 

[Poppy Penny]

As much as everyone would like this case solved I have no faith in MC whatsoever I’d like to be wrong about them though.

Hi Macka, Who is MC? TIA

 

[Poppy Penny]

How and when did Errol Radan come on the radar?
I found him living at 22 Clyde St Parkside in 1969. His occupation was listed as a clerk.
Source: Sands & McDougall Directories

 

[Macka_321]

Hi Macka, Who is MC? TIA

Major crime.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

How and when did Errol Radan come on the radar?
I found him living at 22 Clyde St Parkside in 1969. His occupation was listed as a clerk.
Source: Sands & McDougall Directories

My post 575 shows a newsreel of his identification as a suspect. We don't know what the new clue was nor whether any evidence was turned up when they dug up the Western suburbs property. They interviewed him before his death last year. He was convicted of pedophile sex offences and sentenced to 12 years in 1984 in QLD but came from SA. Strangely he volunteered to be subject of indefinite detention in order to receive treatment. They never released him. His brother Lyle Radan was one of the Trigg Beach murderers committed in Nov 1965 a picture of whom is shown post 576. I read a reddit thread where Errol Radan was discussed. Unsubstantiated comments were to the effect that MC knows he is responsible for AO abductions/ murders. His adopted brother said he had a shovel with him on the day of abductions not that that is particularly incriminating but implication is obvious.The Lyle image is very close to Identakit so you have to assume Errol is too. Strangely there doesn't seem to be any images available online so may have been suppressed by MC them suspecting his involvement and likeness to the perp.. The newsreel says they haven't discounted his involvement. It was said that ER knows Hart because he spent time with Lyle in jail.