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samtheman1979
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Stage 6? There has never been a Stage 6 of the Redevelopment mentioned.
Stage 5 was/is to include refurbishment of the Hickey Stand (as far as I was aware was the removal of some corporate facilities, upgrade of other areas) but Stage 5 was to be the final stage of the redevelopment.
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^ Correct. Stage 5 is the final stage of this near 2 decade transformation, first put together in 2001 when the finger was given to giving up the home ground to then Colonial Stadium as so many other VIC clubs did.
Then concept below:
The World Cup would simply have paid for all stages to be done using all Federal cash to take it to 44,000 seats. Would've been preferred because all we'll get is about 40,000 once this is now done using cash from many other places, including the club's.
Then concept below:
The World Cup would simply have paid for all stages to be done using all Federal cash to take it to 44,000 seats. Would've been preferred because all we'll get is about 40,000 once this is now done using cash from many other places, including the club's.
samtheman1979
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^ Correct. Stage 5 is the final stage of this near 2 decade transformation, first put together in 2001 when the finger was given to giving up the home ground to then Colonial Stadium as so many other VIC clubs did.
Then concept below:
The World Cup would simply have paid for all stages to be done using all Federal cash to take it to 44,000 seats. Would've been preferred because all we'll get is about 40,000 once this is now done using cash from many other places, including the club's.
Probably a more up to date proposal is here at the G21 site- http://www.g21.com.au/gmhba-stadium-redevelopment-–-stages-4-5
"Stage 5
Ford Stand, Ablett Terrace and Southern Terrace Replacement and Hickey Stand Refurbishment. The Victoria State Budget 2017-18 contained $3.9 million to kick-start planning and design for Stage 5."
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Agreed, but I purposely chose that image, as that was the concept design at the time of World Cup bid talks.
Gydafud
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So the "unofficial" stage 6 would be replacing the Hickey, dropping the street underground and widening the oval?
Would cost as much as the other stages.
Would cost as much as the other stages.
It's the ultimate dream that won't happen until 2050. But one day it will.
samtheman1979
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Once the current stadium is past it's used by date I think what you'll find is Kardinia Park will end up somewhat along the lines of where Subiaco is today, returned to the residents as public open space. It will be replaced with a far more superior modern-day stadium in a green fields growth area that easily accessible by public transport as well as having decent road links to it.
The cost of "dropping" Moorabool St, compensating the current land owners & businesses & building a new stadium would massively outweigh the benefits of building a green fields stadium.
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^ Correct. Stage 5 is the final stage of this near 2 decade transformation, first put together in 2001 when the finger was given to giving up the home ground to then Colonial Stadium as so many other VIC clubs did.
Then concept below:
The World Cup would simply have paid for all stages to be done using all Federal cash to take it to 44,000 seats. Would've been preferred because all we'll get is about 40,000 once this is now done using cash from many other places, including the club's.
It's unofficial but you imagine it's redeveloping the Reg Hickey stand and refurbishing the Premiership Stand
Or just redeveloping the whole KP precinct and moving the ground further west like they should have done in the first place?
samtheman1979
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It's not even "unofficial". It's a pie in the sky plan!
The only thing "I imagine" is none of that happening, ever.
samtheman1979
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That won't happen.
Moving the ground west would not be able to be done in stages like the current redevelopment has been done because it would mean crowd numbers and facitities would be severely restricted. If you look at any of the major redevelopments done in the last 30 years they have taken anywhere from 2-4 years. Probably the best has Perth Stadium which was built on a green fields site, totally unhindered by any obstructions still took 3 years.
You'd have have complete buy in from all tenants of Kardinia Park which has now grown to more than just GFC, GCC & St Mary's. With Stage 5 you'll see FFV & CV have offices at KP and maybe a BBL franchise become a tenant of Kardinia Park.
Where would they temporarily relocate all of these organisations to for 2-4 years?
You are saying this will happen around 2050. 30 years away. The Southern Stand at the MCG was knocked down after the 1989 Grand Final- 29 years ago. Its replacement still stands after a refurbishment in 2012 and there are no plans to replace it yet.
Let's sit back and enjoy what all the relevent parties have been able to achieve to date with the not even completed redevelopment of Kardinia Park before we go about talking, thinking and planning its replacement.
The quaint old players stand is on one of the adjacent ovals
Its all due to the original alignment
can be seem better here - the planners prioritised the pattern of tree avenues above the non oval oval. hardly any of those trees survive
Might have been an idea to think about realignment before building the Moorabool side but its too late now. quite a good stand given the constraints
can be seem better here - the planners prioritised the pattern of tree avenues above the non oval oval. hardly any of those trees survive
Might have been an idea to think about realignment before building the Moorabool side but its too late now. quite a good stand given the constraints
I agree.
That seemed obvious to me, but I guess it can be hard to tell what people actually think on a forum. Didn't need the lecture.
samtheman1979
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Sorry. I was a bit snappy as well.
I'm gonna take a stab at it and if they were to ever build a new stadium in whatever amount of time they think of it, it would just get built in the same precinct probably taking up an area around St Mary's and the cricket ground and start from scratch, the area is to valuable to relocate the main stadium
Whilst leaving the current oval where it is...
samtheman1979
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You only need to refer to articles like these to understand the position of one of the KP tenants with regards to redevelopment & ownership-
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...d/news-story/74d5f025412bf0dfb5dc9de3d172f52c
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...t/news-story/1efbf1e99d6b290c0e73a77e14412cf8
Then plans for them to remain at Kp for the next 20 to 30 years at least-
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...p/news-story/d5a771e8a1b8e970139fa92dba5d042f
Gydafud
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So what are the chances of the road being dropped underground? Logistically impossible?
samtheman1979
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Zero. Logistically & financially impossible.
Gydafud
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Yeah, its all pie in the sky stuff. Would be great if they could build over it like the old Atletico Madrid Stadium or Lansdowne Road with the train line. A lot more millions in those stadiums though.
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