Review Good, Acceptable, and Putrid vs Kitty Kats

[Bicks]

Matt's completely overrated. Reminds me of Scott Thompson in his last 4 years. Fantastic at winning the ball, liability without it, can't kick to save himself. Someone needed to say it.

You are completely clueless. Someone needed to say it.


https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/1/adel-v-haw
ADELAIDE 1.2 5.4 5.6 7.13 (55)
HAWTHORN 2.4 6.7 9.14 12.15 (87)

GOALS
Adelaide: B.Crouch 2, Betts 2, Sloane, M.Crouch, Jones
Hawthorn: Cousins 2, Worpel 2, McEvoy 2, O'Meara 2, Gunston, Smith, Shiels, Breust

BEST
Hawthorn: Worpel, Sicily, McEvoy, O'Meara, Gunston, Hardwick, Stratton
Adelaide: Sloane, M.Crouch, Keath, B.Crouch

https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/3/adel-v-geel

ADELAIDE 3.6 4.9 9.12 10.15 (75)
GEELONG 6.2 8.8 10.9 14.15 (99)

GOALS
Adelaide: Lynch 2, Atkins, Knight, Jenkins, Sloane, B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Murphy, Walker,
Geelong: Miers 3, Hawkins 2, Rohan 2, Taylor, Menegola, Atkins, Clark, Constable, Dangerfield, Ablett

BEST
Adelaide: B Crouch, Sloane, Keath, M Crouch, Lynch
Geelong: Dangerfield, Kelly, Stewart, Duncan, Ablett, Stanley, Blicavs

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Why would 6-6-6 affect an inside midfielder? The center square setup is identical to what it was before

Constructive, precise centre square clearances are more valuable now

Ours tend to be hurried, high bombs

 

[Scorpus]

Constructive, precise centre square clearances are more valuable now

Ours tend to be hurried, high bombs

That's a coaching and structure issue. Dangerfield bursting out of the center and kicking a goal from outside 50 has always been possible regardless of 6-6-6

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That's a coaching and structure issue. Dangerfield bursting out of the center and kicking a goal from outside 50 has always been possible regardless of 6-6-6

Not as easy when you have two extras coming off the back of the square for every bounce

 

[Scorpus]

Not as easy when you have two extras coming off the back of the square for every bounce

Again that's a structure issue. Can't expect an inside mid to win the ball every time so you need a structure in place to prevent the opposition from getting easy ball if they do win it

It's not Matt Crouch's fault that Dangerfield can run unopposed from the center circle straight at goals. That's a team structure fail. We used to mitigate that somewhat with our generally ineffective back of the square tactic but our coaches are hopeless and didn't come up with any other strategy to solve our complete lack of defensive stoppage structures.

Once again I blame Campo for this

 

[Pugsley]

Well that's a relief

Kids, stay off the happy gas. Uncle Kris knows it's not good for him but makes him happy when he is sad.

 

[rocket18]

Kris Massie confirmed as our next assistant coach, has the exact attitude we value.

 

[Bay62]

Matt's completely overrated...can't kick to save himself. Someone needed to say it.

You mean apart from his accurate short field kicking and his goal from the 50 on Thurs night?

 

[Slippery Pete]

I don't normally have a crack at you Jenny,

That must take considerable restraint.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Well that's a relief

It isn't about the premierships you win, it is about the pots of food you force on your team mates along the way.

 

[NTRabbit]

Again that's a structure issue. Can't expect an inside mid to win the ball every time so you need a structure in place to prevent the opposition from getting easy ball if they do win it

The problem is that when we win it we're our clearances are neither clear nor precise, whereas both Hawthorn and Geelong's were. Not being able to prevent the opposition from making every clearance a precise one might be a structural issue, but being able to get no clear ones ourselves is a skill and talent issue.

 

[Scorpus]

The problem is that when we win it we're our clearances are neither clear nor precise, whereas both Hawthorn and Geelong's were. Not being able to prevent the opposition from making every clearance a precise one might be a structural issue, but being able to get no clear ones ourselves is a skill and talent issue.

Been an issue for the past decade with us regardless of talent. Dangerfield did it when he was here. I blame Campo.

 

[NTRabbit]

Been an issue for the past decade with us regardless of talent. Dangerfield did it when he was here. I blame Campo.

Because of talent, not regardless. Dangerfield was a player of extreme talent and did it in spite of any midfield gameplan issues. Strongly suggests we haven't had the talent the club internally thought it had.

 

[jackster83]

Been an issue for the past decade with us regardless of talent. Dangerfield did it when he was here. I blame Campo.

Well he judges the midfield purely on clearance numbers (see his press conference after R1), so the quality of them is clearly irrelevant.

Deadset muppet.

 

[Scorpus]

Because of talent, not regardless. Dangerfield was a player of extreme talent and did it in spite of any midfield gameplan issues. Strongly suggests we haven't had the talent the club internally thought it had.

No what I was saying is Dangerfield didn't get precise clean clearances when he was here either. He hack kicked it just like every other Crows midfielder of the past 10 years. He easily gets clean clearances where he runs 20-30 meters at Geelong. At the Crows he used to take 2-3 burst steps and blast it long and high to a contest. It's a coaching issue

 

[NTRabbit]

No what I was saying is Dangerfield didn't get precise clean clearances when he was here either. He hack kicked it just like every other Crows midfielder of the past 10 years. He easily gets clean clearances at Geelong. It's a coaching issue

Dangerfield got out of the stoppages in clean and advantageous positions, he just had an unrelated problem where once he got there he blasted the ball like a toddler on speed half the time ruining the initital good work. We aren't even getting that far anymore, not without all the trick plays featuring forward runners off the half back line.

 

[Scorpus]

Dangerfield got out of the stoppages in clean and advantageous positions, he just had an unrelated problem where once he got there he blasted the ball like a toddler on speed half the time ruining the initital good work. We aren't even getting that far anymore, not without all the trick plays featuring forward runners off the half back line.

I don't remember Dangerfield ever getting a handball receive in a stoppage and running 20-30 meters like he does at Geelong. He always used to grab it off the ground, blast forward a few steps, and kick it.

Brad Crouch does exactly the same thing. Matt Crouch gets it out the back of the stoppage and kicks across his body. Gibbs gets a handball out the back and snaps across his body (didn't do this at Carlton). Douglas used to get it, snap across his body to the half forward flank at a 45-degree angle every single time. Sloane gets it and immediately kicks it out the front of the stoppage.

Every single Crows player does it exactly the same way. Gibbs is a much better user of the football than Matt Crouch yet both do exactly the same thing at stoppages. We almost never handball it out of the stoppage offensively (eg. not backwards and backwards and backwards) to outside runners who take off and deliver it inside 50.

Our entire midfield setup is built on winning it on the ground, shooting it directly backwards to players who, under pressure, hack it forward. This was helped with guys running off the back of the square which we can't do any more.

The opposition has clued up to this and plants a player just outside the 50 on the flank at a 45 degree angle. We kick it to them repeatedly. We never work out of stoppages laterally, it's always backwards.

Coaching. Issue. I've been banging on about this for years, back to the days Dangerfield was here

 

[NTRabbit]

I don't remember Dangerfield ever getting a handball receive in a stoppage and running 20-30 meters like he does at Geelong. He always used to grab it off the ground, blast forward a few steps, and kick it.

Brad Crouch does exactly the same thing. Matt Crouch gets it out the back of the stoppage and kicks across his body. Gibbs gets a handball out the back and snaps across his body (didn't do this at Carlton). Douglas used to get it, snap across his body to the half forward flank at a 45-degree angle every single time. Sloane gets it and immediately kicks it out the front of the stoppage.

Every single Crows player does it exactly the same way. Gibbs is a much better user of the football than Matt Crouch yet both do exactly the same thing at stoppages. We almost never handball it out of the stoppage offensively (eg. not backwards and backwards and backwards) to outside runners who take off and deliver it inside 50.

Coaching. Issue.

Dangerfield is a player who can take the ball out of the stoppages himself, and put the ball into an advantageous position himself. Matt Crouch is not a player capable of doing that - his only party trick is basic pack extraction, he hasn't the nous or the speed to create play himself. When we no longer have runners off the half back line to do the creating, the lack of creativity in all of our midfield bar Sloane becomes starkly apparent, and between his average foot speed and small size Sloane lacks the "I'll do it myself through the tag" ability of (peak powers) Dangerfield, Fyfe, Martin, Bontempelli, Kennedy, even if he can actually see what needs to be done.

It's definitely a talent issue, you're just missing it.

 

[Scorpus]

Dangerfield is a player who can take the ball out of the stoppages himself, and put the ball into an advantageous position himself. Matt Crouch is not a player capable of doing that - his only party trick is basic pack extraction, he hasn't the nous or the speed to create play himself. When we no longer have runners off the half back line to do the creating, the lack of creativity in all of our midfield bar Sloane becomes starkly apparent, and between his average foot speed and small size Sloane lacks the "I'll do it myself through the tag" ability of (peak powers) Dangerfield, Fyfe, Martin, Bontempelli, Kennedy, even if he can actually see what needs to be done.

It's definitely a talent issue, you're just missing it.

I fundamentally disagree with you because I see both Gibbs and Matt Crouch doing the same thing at stoppages, when Gibbs has proven across his career that he is a creative player with disposal a class above Crouch.

So this conversation isn't going to go anywhere

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Can we stop this business of ****ing handballing from kick-outs? That would be great, thanks.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Constructive, precise centre square clearances are more valuable now

Ours tend to be hurried, high bombs

So why did we let the Cats change the centre square match ups in the last quarter, when we had then mostly on our terms in the 3rd quarter?

 

[feenix67]

Doing the video analysis for the Wrap show, it's painfully obvious what our issues are.

Our midfield are slack. They don't position well at centre or stoppage contests. Both Crouch boys, but particularly Brad, ball watch and don't move to the correct positions. Brad was horrible defensively in the first quarter. Watch the video on the cast (it's about 20 mins in) to see what I mean, and that's just a sample.

On transition, we aren't running as hard as our opposition. We are pushed wide too easily because of it. We actually give up the corridor often, simply through lack of options. Our mids look slow/heavy legged - did we come in to the season with a heavy training load on purpose? It sure looks like we are sluggish.

The other thing is we struggle with deep forward entries. We play as if we have tall marking forwards but we don't. We look great when spotting up to 40ish metres out, but our deep entries go to outnumbered contests, often wide. We fail to account for extras parked in our forward 50, often because our transition is coming from wide. Bother Hawthorn and Geelong were able to push us wide and force those kicks. When we're coming in from there, Tex and co have no option but to lead wide and are easily covered. I don't think our forward structure is great, but again, a lot of the issue is our transition.

We need some pace in the midfield. Our first rotation mix of Crouch X2 and Sloane is too slow. And we could do with a marking forward for those bail out kicks, to at least force a contest.

That said, we've now played the two teams that consistently expose us like this, so it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few games, against teams who are less structured defensively.

 

[feenix67]

That's a coaching and structure issue. Dangerfield bursting out of the center and kicking a goal from outside 50 has always been possible regardless of 6-6-6

Especially when our mids just let him run.

 

[CrowBloke]

Dangerfield bursting out of the center and kicking a goal from outside 50 has always been possible regardless of 6-6-6

Yes. Top goal, even if it was Mr. Media, Diverfield.

I can remember McLeod doing it beautifully on occasion *sigh* .

 

[Mike Smyth]

Kids, stay off the happy gas. Uncle Kris knows it's not good for him but makes him happy when he is sad.

So has Massie officially got his snout in the trough as yet. Those deep supporters pockets hey. There's plenty for everyone.