Grand Final Umpires

[MYOB]

9 Stevic
14 Gavine
21 Meredith
23 Findlay

 

[YeoShuey]

9 Stevic
14 Gavine
21 Meredith
23 Findlay

Got 3/4 right then. Not bad at all

 

[MJG14]

Meredith and Stevic will probably still be doing Grand Finals at the age of 70.

 

[YeoShuey]

Meredith and Stevic will probably still be doing Grand Finals at the age of 70.

I could see them giving Gavine GF experience over the next few years to take over when they retire. Usually select the same types of umpires in Grand Finals. This is his second GF (first was as emergency).

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Great choices, really good umpires.

 

[ChristianBoy]

Great choices, really good umpires.

After last Friday nights performance and to get another gig it makes you think the agenda is set..........

 

[CakeEater]

Meredith and Stevic will probably still be doing Grand Finals at the age of 70.

Meredith is alright but Stevic I can take it or leave it.

Im unsure that they should have given 2 of the umps from Friday the gig

 

[outabounds]

Need to go back and learn what the advantage rule is all about.

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[ChristianBoy]

Need to go back and learn what the advantage rule is all about.

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Or to high.

Game decided by terrible umpiring.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Expected to open this thread and the names be John Ginnivan, Jill Ginnivan, Joe Ginnivan and James Ginnivan

 

[CrowToon]

Need to go back and learn what the advantage rule is all about.

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The problem is that this advantage rule is the most broken of any sport in the world. Completely broken. Notwithstanding the GF calamity, the whole advantage rule is poorly designed.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

The problem is that this advantage rule is the most broken of any sport in the world. Completely broken. Notwithstanding the GF calamity, the whole advantage rule is poorly designed.

Is it? 98% of the time advantage is applied or called back with absolutely no issue.

 

[CrowToon]

Is it? 98% of the time advantage is applied or called back with absolutely no issue.

It's fundamentally broken because it relies on a whistle.

A whistle instinctively stops players (ala 'play to the whistle' which is beat into every kid from the age of 6). This gives a double dip advantage to the benefitting team as they are fluid in motion against a static team. Remember there is a risk for the defending team to tackle a player running away with the ball in case it's a free, 50 etc. Remember advantage as a rule should be to continue the flow of the game if the attacking team benefits from this but game integrity dictates that the other team should not be double disadvantaged. Too often we see play stop and the advantage given is well beyond what the average person could consider reasonable.

This is then inconsistently allowed to happen or not happen.

Contrast this to a more traditional method of advantage which does not require a whistle (soccer with arms out forward, rugby arm to the side) where players don't stop. Then, the umpire can see whether the advantage is there or not there and act accordingly. Importantly, the play is not compromised.

Further, we have this weird system where the player can elect not to accept the advantage. But this isn't intuitive as how does this work? Usually this is when the player puts an arm up or stops but this system relies on the player knowing it's an advantage opportunity. Today we saw the fragility of that system in the biggest game of the year where the umpire thought the player was taking advantage. Did the player know the free was paid? Did the player actually take advantage or were they just playing and didn't hear the whistle? The umpire has to guess his intention because although the umpire can call it back, he cannot call it back if he thinks the player has willingly taken advantage. But again, how can he definitively know that?

In the alternative system the umpire has full control over the application of advantage as he alone knows there is an advantage opportunity and therefore has the opportunity to wait a few seconds to see if advantage eventuates. Blowing the whistle for a free kick immediately removes that autonomy and game sense. Perhaps our penchant for blowing free kick immediately is to blame. We even see this with marks - why do they need to whistle a free if the ball is marked? That is a clear advantage.



There is mass confusion, massive inconsistencies

 

[naysayer]

Thought the umps were fine. Brisbane could've ended up with a better chance to take the ball inside 50, but the advantage was incorrectly paid. Not a big deal, we're hardly talking about a glaring free kick in the goal square.

As Sam Mitchell always says: "The umpires make a lot less mistakes than we do"

Daniher's set shot miss, Berry giving away 50 - both these mistakes had a more direct impact on the result.

 

[kickazz]

Overall they did well today. I thought the first goal free was soft, a bit of flipping there, and a HTB against someone when the tackle was very high later on.

Apart from that, a good job.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Thought the umps were fine. Brisbane could've ended up with a better chance to take the ball inside 50, but the advantage was incorrectly paid. Not a big deal, we're hardly talking about a glaring free kick in the goal square.

As Sam Mitchell always says: "The umpires make a lot less mistakes than we do"

Daniher's set shot miss, Berry giving away 50 - both these mistakes had a more direct impact on the result.

True but no team is ever going to play a perfect game and a team shouldn't have to beat both opposition and umpires

 

[naysayer]

True but no team is ever going to play a perfect game and a team shouldn't have to beat both opposition and umpires

No umpires are going to have a perfect game either. Apart from the advantage being given, I didn't see too many bad calls across the day. Had the balls to call the 50m against Berry which was a big call but absolutely there. The 50m against Markov was too harsh imo, but ultimately I just thought it wasn't a factor. Brisbane got outplayed and that's all there was to it. They were a little fortunate to be as close as they were.

 

[DocSholl]

Is it? 98% of the time advantage is applied or called back with absolutely no issue.

Yep. The moment was just a bit too big for the umpire.

 

[flamethrower]

I have no problem with advantage being paid after the Neale free kick. When there is a minute left the trailing team is always looking to play on at all costs. Zac Bailey

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Zac Bailey

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84kg

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12.7

3star

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6.9

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5.9

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3.0

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2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

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12.9

3star

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7.3

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5.6

3star

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3.9

4star

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2.4

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13.4

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6.6

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3.2

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2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

took the handball from Neale and could have stopped. But he chose to get a quick kick into the forward line hoping to catch the Collingwood defenders out of position.

As soon as Bailey kicks the ball, Brisbane has taken the advantage, and the umpire calls it. The onus is squarely on Bailey to play on or stop.

Imagine if Daniher had marked it, but the umpire calls no advantage - Lions fans would have gone off their heads.

Overall the umpiring was fair and didn't favor either team. The only obvious free / 50m missed was in the 1st quarter when Hipwood had a shot for goal that went out on the full, and Daniher punched the ball into the stands. This should be a 50m penalty and was missed.

 

[Steele13]

I have no problem with advantage being paid after the Neale free kick. When there is a minute left the trailing team is always looking to play on at all costs. Zac Bailey took the handball from Neale and could have stopped. But he chose to get a quick kick into the forward line hoping to catch the Collingwood defenders out of position.

As soon as Bailey kicks the ball, Brisbane has taken the advantage, and the umpire calls it. The onus is squarely on Bailey to play on or stop.

Imagine if Daniher had marked it, but the umpire calls no advantage - Lions fans would have gone off their heads.

Overall the umpiring was fair and didn't favor either team. The only obvious free / 50m missed was in the 1st quarter when Hipwood had a shot for goal that went out on the full, and Daniher punched the ball into the stands. This should be a 50m penalty and was missed.

The umpiring was just ok throughout the game, probably didn't disadvantage anyone too much. The advantage call was a shocker though, he was literally being tackled as he kicked it over his head, that's not advantage in anyones books. I'd like someone to confirm, but the Sidebottom 50 was at least 60 metres too. We were robbed of a grand stand finish unfortunately.

 

[nylexbandit]

I have no problem with advantage being paid after the Neale free kick. When there is a minute left the trailing team is always looking to play on at all costs. Zac Bailey took the handball from Neale and could have stopped. But he chose to get a quick kick into the forward line hoping to catch the Collingwood defenders out of position.

As soon as Bailey kicks the ball, Brisbane has taken the advantage, and the umpire calls it. The onus is squarely on Bailey to play on or stop.

Imagine if Daniher had marked it, but the umpire calls no advantage - Lions fans would have gone off their heads.

Overall the umpiring was fair and didn't favor either team. The only obvious free / 50m missed was in the 1st quarter when Hipwood had a shot for goal that went out on the full, and Daniher punched the ball into the stands. This should be a 50m penalty and was missed.

I agree that Daniher punch should’ve been 50, but to suggest the rest of the game didn’t lean either way shows your bias

 

[BobbyMorri]

The advantage rule is stupid. I have no idea why the umpire needs to blow their whistle at all when it is obviously an advantage in the play, like in soccer or rugby. Only blow the whistle if you want to stop play.

ATM, it can seem unfair on several fronts. Times when everyone stops bar one player, or today, when there is clearly no advantage taken due to the pressure or lack of knowledge, but because of the bad rules, the player has "taken it. "

 

[kickazz]

The umpiring was just ok throughout the game, probably didn't disadvantage anyone too much. The advantage call was a shocker though, he was literally being tackled as he kicked it over his head, that's not advantage in anyones books. I'd like someone to confirm, but the Sidebottom 50 was at least 60 metres too. We were robbed of a grand stand finish unfortunately.

Yeah I thought at the time he was paid they'd still be another kick from goal. Not much said but will want to see it again.

 

[ChristianBoy]

The frees to Daicos went against what we all saw the umpires pay in Collingwoods favour against GWS.

Then to pay advantage well that obviously just ridiculous.

 

[daniel_4tw]

The advantage rule is stupid. I have no idea why the umpire needs to blow their whistle at all when it is obviously an advantage in the play, like in soccer or rugby. Only blow the whistle if you want to stop play.

ATM, it can seem unfair on several fronts. Times when everyone stops bar one player, or today, when there is clearly no advantage taken due to the pressure or lack of knowledge, but because of the bad rules, the player has "taken it. "

This. Absolute joke of a rule right now. You’re told from a young age to play to the whistle. However in footy, sometimes that’s not the case.

It leads to situations when everyone stops because the umpire has signalled a free kick, which is ridiculous. It could also lead to a dangerous situation when a player stops, but the opposition then barrels in and tackles someone not expecting a tackle, to avoid the previous situation from happening.

Wait to see if there’s advantage. If it’s a free kick and you want to stop play, blow the whistle, otherwise just let it go.