Greg 'Diesel' Williams still sooking about not winning '93 Brownlow

[bluepride]

Better than any player to don the black and red just about.

Jealously.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Better than any player to don the black and red just about.

Jealously.

LOL no.

 

[BomberWatson]

Better than any player to don the black and red just about.

Jealously.

Dick Reynolds, John Coleman, Bill Hutchison, James Hird. We also didn't buy any of those players from elsewhere after it became apparent they were any good, just saying.

 

[bluepride]

I said just about.

Dick Reynolds and John Coleman...yep.

James Hird was one of my favourite players of the last decade and abit, but dont say hes better than Greg Williams...thats just laughable.

 

[Burzum]

Better than any player to don the black and red just about.

Jealously.

So you think he's carlton's best ever player?

 

[bluepride]

I dont think I worded my last post right.

I said Dick and Coleman were the better players at Essendon than Williams.

 

[Shane Hird]

one of the truly great players everyone today raves on about the likes of Ablett jnr, Swan and Judd but Williams was as good as them if not better because they targeted him weekly and he still produced game winning plays weekly.

One of the greatest players ever and seemed to always carve up Geelong
Was Williams of Aboriginal descent?




Anyone have this Open Mike interview to download?

He said once in an interview that his mother had Spanish heritage.

If he was of Aboriginal descent, he'd have even more to whinge about..

 

[Burzum]

I dont think I worded my last post right.

I said Dick and Coleman were the better players at Essendon than Williams.

I'm asking, do you think Diesel is carlton's best ever player?

 

[Shane Hird]

I'm asking, do you think Diesel is carlton's best ever player?

Craig Bradley, Doull, Hunter, Sticks...so many in front of the fat little Diesel.

 

[bluepride]

Big Nick would be the sole player Id have in front of Greg Williams.

 

[Shane Hird]

Big Nick would be the sole player Id have in front of Greg Williams.

Well you would be one of the first Carlton supporters I've heard say that Bradley isn't the best player in the Blue's history.

Williams came to Carlton for the big $$

He also let his side down many times by not controlling his emotions and getting reported and rubbed out.

I don't think Bradley ever got booked in his entire career..

 

[Thrawn]

Craig Bradley, Doull, Hunter, Sticks...so many in front of the fat little Diesel.

I wouldn't put Bradley in front of Williams. There'd be three players in front of him, well on my list anyway:

1. Doull.
2. Nicholls.
3. Kernahan.
4. Williams.
5. Silvagni.

 

[Donakebab]

Well you would be one of the first Carlton supporters I've heard say that Bradley isn't the best player in the Blue's history.

Williams came to Carlton for the big $$

He also let his side down many times by not controlling his emotions and getting reported and rubbed out.

I don't think Bradley ever got booked in his entire career..

Didn't he get booked once for tripping or something? iirc he got a week but they suspended it. That week he came out and killed it. Could be another Blue, but I do remember something along those lines.

 

[bluepride]

Actually I forgot Doull...I knew there was somebody.

Would have Sticks a bees dick behind Williams.

Anyways, he deserved that 3rd Brownlow....and most can admit the umpire was an absolute ****wit not give him a vote.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Well you would be one of the first Carlton supporters I've heard say that Bradley isn't the best player in the Blue's history.

Have you asked any? I don't think there would be more than a handful who would claim Braddles was the best Carlton player ever. Doull, Nicholls, Silvagni, Kernahan all clearly above. Williams was a better player but playing only half his games with us does dilute his Carlton worth a tad. Bradley would be on a line with Andy McKay and Wayne Johnston ... thereabouts.

All great players though.

 

[Shane Hird]

Have you asked any? I don't think there would be more than a handful who would claim Braddles was the best Carlton player ever. Doull, Nicholls, Silvagni, Kernahan all clearly above. Williams was a better player but playing only half his games with us does dilute his Carlton worth a tad. Bradley would be on a line with Andy McKay and Wayne Johnston ... thereabouts.

All great players though.

That's the problem with Carlton when you look at thier 'best' players over the last 30 years or so...so many to choose from.

Maybe MVP would fit better. Or most 'consistant' champion player...like Bradley, SOS and Doull.

Anyway, I'm surprised this thread was bumped. I was ready to forget about Willliams for another 10 years.

Most people when they think of Carlton champions think Big Nick, Jezza, SOS, Bradley, Sticks, Doull etc.. then there's Diesel the 'dirty' CFC champion.

It's a shame really. He should be remembered more for his skill and class than for his many on-field character flaws...

 

[Tish]

He should be more pissed off that Wang got 3 votes when he didn't have any influence on a game and had 14 touches.....

 

[Chewy]

I wouldn't put Bradley in front of Williams. There'd be three players in front of him, well on my list anyway:

1. Doull.
2. Nicholls.
3. Kernahan.
4. Williams.
5. Silvagni.

What does this list of yours really mean?

Diesel played a tick over 100 games for Carlton

Williams was shithouse in 1992. His knee was stuffed and he could hardly run. People thought he was finished. They were questioning Carlton's wisdom in recruiting him and paying him megabucks

He was very good in 1993. Maybe not his career best year, nor worthy of winning a Brownlow, but it was a return to form and he found a way to manage his dicky knee.

Diesel was great in 1994, no question. Dominant. He played just like he did in Sydney and as a bonus, he stayed out on the park for nearly every game.

He was so-so in 1995, good not great. He played a great Grand Final, his best game of the year, but Fraser Brown had basically supplanted him as Carlton's #1 centreman

In 1996, Williams was 33 years old, on his last legs and basically a week to week proposition. He played just a handful of good games. Ordinary season.

His final year in '97 was basically a write-off. He missed a chunk of games early in the year because of injury, then missed the final chunk of the season because he had to serve his 9 week suspension.

Let's face it: Diesel gave Carlton 2-3 years of gold service. Carlton fans are guilty of furnishing the 'Legend of Diesel' which he acquired at Geelong and Sydney and appropriating for it their own club as though he was a 250-game Navy Blue champion.

One of the great players in the game's history, but mainly in his younger days before his knee became "bone on bone"

Williams was more effective with the ball than Bradley, but Bradley played 270 more games for Carlton, played hundreds more good games for the Blues, covered 5000 more kilometres, won more premierships and won more awards as a Carlton champion.

 

[84859300]

I wouldn't put Bradley in front of Williams. There'd be three players in front of him, well on my list anyway:

1. Doull.
2. Nicholls.
3. Kernahan.
4. Williams.
5. Silvagni.

cough*Koutoufides*cough

 

[bluepride]

cough*Koutoufides*cough

See a Doctor mate....doesnt sound good.

In all seriousness, who do you take out of that list.

I cant.

 

[Shane Hird]

What does this list of yours really mean?

Diesel played a tick over 100 games for Carlton

Williams was shithouse in 1992. His knee was stuffed and he could hardly run. People thought he was finished. They were questioning Carlton's wisdom in recruiting him and paying him megabucks

He was very good in 1993. Maybe not his career best year, nor worthy of winning a Brownlow, but it was a return to form and he found a way to manage his dicky knee.

Diesel was great in 1994, no question. Dominant. He played just like he did in Sydney and as a bonus, he stayed out on the park for nearly every game.

He was so-so in 1995, good not great. He played a great Grand Final, his best game of the year, but Fraser Brown had basically supplanted him as Carlton's #1 centreman

In 1996, Williams was 33 years old, on his last legs and basically a week to week proposition. He played just a handful of good games. Ordinary season.

His final year in '97 was basically a write-off. He missed a chunk of games early in the year because of injury, then missed the final chunk of the season because he had to serve his 9 week suspension.

Let's face it: Diesel gave Carlton 2-3 years of gold service. Carlton fans are guilty of furnishing the 'Legend of Diesel' which he acquired at Geelong and Sydney and appropriating for it their own club as though he was a 250-game Navy Blue champion.

One of the great players in the game's history, but mainly in his younger days before his knee became "bone on bone"

Williams was more effective with the ball than Bradley,
but Bradley played 270 more games for Carlton, played hundreds more good games for the Blues, covered 5000 more kilometres, won more premierships and won more awards as a Carlton champion.

Yep, pretty much sums up Diesel's Carlton career....and the Bradley bit sums up how valuable he was to the Carlton sides all those years. He just kept on working every week, year after year and was still a major contributor right till the end.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I wouldn't put Bradley in front of Williams. There'd be three players in front of him, well on my list anyway:

1. Doull.
2. Nicholls.
3. Kernahan.
4. Williams.
5. Silvagni.

No love for Jezza

Sacrelige.

 

[lihei]

This could be completely wrong, and is of course only based on his public appearances and utterances, but Greg Williams seems a pretty graceless human being.

spot on. Lucky to win one with his filth.

 

[Shane Hird]

No love for Jezza

Sacrelige.

There's a few before Jezza . Everyone loves Jezza... but what about Southby, Ashman, McKay, Buckley, Johnston, Dean, and Hunter?

But then again, in 1987, when Carlton established their club Hall of Fame , they did name Jezza, Nicholls and Doull as the only 3 modern day players inducted in that first year group of 9

And a player called Gordon Collis was also included and he finshed in '67 after just 7 seasons..must have been good.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

There's a few before Jezza . Everyone loves Jezza... but what about Southby, Ashman, McKay, Buckley, Johnston, Dean, and Hunter?

Your kidding aren't ya. Maybe you never saw him play. I did.

One of the best to have ever played the game.