Hall Wants Bulldogs

[Mutt]

On Sports Tonight last night an interview with Hall was shown in which Barry stated he felt that Hall and the Bulldogs was probably the best fit because from the club's view we need a power forward and from his view we are a competitive team with good delivery.

Hall was asked if he could guarantee no explosions and he said that he couldn't give that guarantee (and fair enough, at least he didn't bullshit his way around the issue with weasel words.)

Hall also claimed no club had yet approached him.

We are clearly a massive chance to land Hall if Rocket and Fantasia want him.

 

[chef]

Make it happen Bulldogs

 

[doggies ftw]

Hall would be great, not only for our game and structure but for young KPF's like Grant and Jones, I know he would proberly take game time for them but atleast they will have a role model in the team.

 

[INSIGHT]

My feeling is it is one year to late but probably will happen if we do not win the flag

 

[Turtle]

I think what may have cost us getting Barry Hall this year was all the uncertainty over O'Keefe's future at trade time last year.
Sydney couldn't afford to lose them both at the same time and especially with O'Loughlin being on his last legs.
I want us to get him, but we should give Sydney **** all for him maybe a 4th rd pick, as they have parted company already anyway so shouldn't drive a hard bargain, and let him get to the club of his choice.
Although he might keep a couple of young blokes out of a regular game, he would probably be just as beneficial to their development from learning from his experience. I'm tipping a few of our blokes would walk a bit taller in his presence.

 

[stefoid]

Depends. If we done it last year we would have had to cough up a 2nd rounder - roughead or jones.

I think if we get him this year for nothing, and he plays one good year, its perfect timing. We get a power forward for a year to learn to kick to, and the young key forwards have someone to play around and learn from .

 

[Mutt]

Hall would be great, not only for our game and structure but for young KPF's like Grant and Jones, I know he would proberly take game time for them but atleast they will have a role model in the team.

Hall may not take game time from the younger players.

Maybe this is muddle-headed thinking on my part but if I was the coach I would be much more comfortable next year playing Jones, Roughead, Grant or any very green and light-framed kid up forward with Barry there to teach them and look after them physically (this done by drawing the best defenders as well as having other defenders zone off the kids to fill the hole and play 3rd up wherever Barry goes - not done by belting defenders!)

Hall would change the whole dynamics of the forward line and make everyone, kids especially, walk a little taller. He also makes opposition defenders pay attention to him as a major scoring threat and physical presence instead of them currently ignoring Scott Welsh or Josh Hill and playing the Luke Hodge role on us.

Provided our football department thinks he can contribute and doesn't cost us too much, then Barry's presence could in fact fast-track our kids.

 

[Lucky Star]

Hall may not take game time from the younger players.

Maybe this is muddle-headed thinking on my part but if I was the coach I would be much more comfortable next year playing Jones, Roughead, Grant or any very green and light-framed kid up forward with Barry there to teach them and look after them physically (this done by drawing the best defenders as well as having other defenders zone off the kids to fill the hole and play 3rd up wherever Barry goes - not done by belting defenders!)

Hall would change the whole dynamics of the forward line and make everyone, kids especially, walk a little taller. He also makes opposition defenders pay attention to him as a major scoring threat and physical presence instead of them currently ignoring Scott Welsh or Josh Hill and playing the Luke Hodge role on us.

Provided our football department thinks he can contribute and doesn't cost us too much, then Barry's presence could in fact fast-track our kids.

Excellent thinking, I agree entirely.

 

[.M a t t.]

Hypothetical situation. Should we get Hall and if Welsh/Eagleton retire would it be worth playing Grant/Jones/Boumann and Hall in the side up forward to help them progress?
I would see this as very benificial for them and would only help us for the future.

 

[cammo78]

i think we should go for him - but my concern is that we may be "cutting off our nose to spite our face". it is obvious we need a tall forward come finals time (and i was the first to say stick them up your *** a few weeks back). but - we are also the highest scoring team in the season proper. my point is, there's not much point having a huge key forward if you're not at the pointy end of the ladder come finals time, and with the huge shift in forward line dynamics and the time it will take to adjust, are we going to be in a position to need hall come finals time (i certainly hope so).

maybe we should draft him, keep him on ice until rd 20 and then unleash the beast...?!!

 

[TedDougChris]

Hall may not take game time from the younger players.

Maybe this is muddle-headed thinking on my part but if I was the coach I would be much more comfortable next year playing Jones, Roughead, Grant or any very green and light-framed kid up forward with Barry there to teach them and look after them physically (this done by drawing the best defenders as well as having other defenders zone off the kids to fill the hole and play 3rd up wherever Barry goes - not done by belting defenders!)

Hall would change the whole dynamics of the forward line and make everyone, kids especially, walk a little taller. He also makes opposition defenders pay attention to him as a major scoring threat and physical presence instead of them currently ignoring Scott Welsh or Josh Hill and playing the Luke Hodge role on us.

Provided our football department thinks he can contribute and doesn't cost us too much, then Barry's presence could in fact fast-track our kids.

Interesting thoughts....

I would have thought that if we get Hall, we are looking at another crack at the flag NEXT year....

Which, if this year is anything to go by, means that the young forwards wont be getting a game... It'll be the same selection policy, with Hall in for Welsh and Reid in for Eagleton....

Roughead, Grant and co won't get a look in....

This is obviously based on what has happened this year, so may change.....

 

[2691617]

Interesting thoughts....

I would have thought that if we get Hall, we are looking at another crack at the flag NEXT year....

Which, if this year is anything to go by, means that the young forwards wont be getting a game... It'll be the same selection policy, with Hall in for Welsh and Reid in for Eagleton....

Roughead, Grant and co won't get a look in....

This is obviously based on what has happened this year, so may change.....

I think if HAll comes to us it will force the issue with the older players. Fantasia and Eade know it is all about balance, not just for next year but the next 3-5 and also preparing for this. I would say Hall for 1 maybe 2 years will push Welsh and Eagleton out, we could not afford those 3 plus Aker and Johnno departing at the same time.

It is the perfect opportunity to get Hall, he would take the main backman, then ease Grant, Cordy, Everitt, Bouman etc into the KP roles instead of having them as one out targets and getting murdered each week.

 

[stefoid]

Interesting thoughts....

I would have thought that if we get Hall, we are looking at another crack at the flag NEXT year....

Which, if this year is anything to go by, means that the young forwards wont be getting a game... It'll be the same selection policy, with Hall in for Welsh and Reid in for Eagleton....

Roughead, Grant and co won't get a look in....

This is obviously based on what has happened this year, so may change.....

nah, if any of our young forwards were good enough to hold a position in the forward line this year we would have given them one, but they wernt even good enough to do consistantly well at williamstown.

If Hall does play for us next year (essentially taking welshs spot in the forward line), they wont have to be better than Hall to get a game, they will have to be better than Hahn or Hill, or in Rougheads case- Minson (as a backup ruck/forward)

And I reckon Liam Jones is going to surprise everybody and get a gig as a tall swingman like Hurley of essendon.

 

[TedDougChris]

nah, if any of our young forwards were good enough to hold a position in the forward line this year we would have given them one, but they wernt even good enough to do consistantly well at williamstown.

If Hall does play for us next year (essentially taking welshs spot in the forward line), they wont have to be better than Hall to get a game, they will have to be better than Hahn or Hill, or in Rougheads case- Minson (as a backup ruck/forward)

And I reckon Liam Jones is going to surprise everybody and get a gig as a tall swingman like Hurley of essendon.

Fair comments, but I wasn't trying to state they would have to better than Hall, although I do take your point. If Hahn or Hill were to drop off, there would be a spot available, but from what we have seen this year, Eade will stick to his chosen 22 with little variation....

Even if we lose or players aren't performing....

 

[maximus steel]

hall wont make that much difference to the dogs, they already score alot when they go inside f50 and hall would simply be taking goals from another smaller forward. why bother getting a player past his 30s when youll only probably get 2 years out of him.
sorry for interupting your board doggies
cats 09

 

[_Mike_]

Steel is right. If Hall was in his late 20's I'd be positive about it, but now, scoring goals is not the Bulldogs problem.. They 1) need to win a flag and 2), need another key tall/talented defender to work with Lake

 

[murphy2bedabest]

Hypothetical situation. Should we get Hall and if Welsh/Eagleton retire would it be worth playing Grant/Jones/Boumann and Hall in the side up forward to help them progress?
I would see this as very benificial for them and would only help us for the future.

What this also dose is it leaves us with Minson and Huddo Rucking about 60/40.

if Aker gose on it will be good as i can see us setting up as such, now just look at it if you play Grant there not only is Hall there who takes scarlett/Rutten but you also have Johno Aker and Murph who take the 3 next best defenders

FF Aker Hall Grant
CHF Johno Murph Higgins

We just need a Rioli type player there

 

[dgiles111]

I thin barry would make a huge difference - even if he only kicked 2 a match because
1) he's going to get the best defender every week - leaving johnson, hahn or whoever with a weaker defender.
2) when the ball is kicked long to his advantadge you'd back him most times and that means the opposition are going to drop off or have 2 guys wrestling him which will help hill and johnson immensely as they can run uninterrupted towards the ball to mark
3) he gives us the get out kick option and its a realistic kick - minson cant catch anything - barry can and this will help with us turning the ball over less the guys know if they are under the pump and cant find anyone short to go long to barrys advantadge which will most likely result in the above 2 defenders going up against him leaving someone very dangerous to either fly or crumb eg akker johnson hill higgins gia etc
4) it allows eade to give guys like grant, everitt, cordy etc games in the fowardline as they will have the 2nd or 3rd tall defender on them not the best one and should hopefully help their confidence not getting belted around.

 

[Ghost of '85]

its pretty simple for mine. If we don't have to give up anything or not very much and he does not cost us the earth then its probably worth it.

But...if we have to give something to Sydney, like a decent draft pick or a decent kid...forget it.

If we play it like we must have him we'll pay too much for him.

 

[Zeno The Great]

its pretty simple for mine. If we don't have to give up anything or not very much and he does not cost us the earth then its probably worth it.

But...if we have to give something to Sydney, like a decent draft pick or a decent kid...forget it.

If we play it like we must have him we'll pay too much for him.

I think you are right on the money ghost. There are many upsides which most have outlines, namely that he will tke the best defender and give our young forwards a chance to come in and not have Scarlett sitting on their back, but that is only if the young guys get a game. I think would be a great addition to our team next year, but for me the real worry is the following year, when you lose Aker, Johnno and Hall, and Welsh should have gone by then as well, leaves us with a very young forward line with no proven goalkickers.

 

[bigdog54]

hall wont make that much difference to the dogs, they already score alot when they go inside f50 and hall would simply be taking goals from another smaller forward. why bother getting a player past his 30s when youll only probably get 2 years out of him.
sorry for interupting your board doggies
cats 09

WHAT!! I dont have the exact numbers, but our inside 50s-goals scored, particularly in finals, is horrendous. We need a focal point if nothing else.
Our window with this group is the next 1-2 years and a kpf is what were missing.

If hes retired, we dont need to deal with the swans?? Could he just nominate for the draft? Either way i dont think hed be worth 2 much.

God I hope we get him!!!

 

[ivan rassmussen]

As I asked elsewhere, for all the posters proposing Hall and a young tall in the same team, who will miss out? Assuming Welsh gets replaced by Hall (and Welsh is better defensively), and for example Grant comes in, who goes out? And with two talls in the forward line, then there is no place for Minson, so we end up with our ruckmen always changing off the bench. We will lose a mid-field runner, and this will affect our structure (obviously) and leg speed, and one less player to rotate through the middle.

Also, it may be my perception, and I don't have stats, but does Hall actually take pack marks? I know he takes lots of marks on the lead, but can't recall him taking any big grabs in a pack scenario. If we kick it high to him, and spillages occur, who will be the crumber?

 

[bigdog54]

who will miss out?

Hill, welsh, eagleton, hahn etc

(and Welsh is better defensively),

BS!. Did u see last sat...

And with two talls in the forward line, then there is no place for Minson,

Thank god. Hes a liability up forward. Ruck or nothing

We will lose a mid-field runner, and this will affect our structure (obviously) and leg speed, and one less player to rotate through the middle.


Wat structure? 18 man flood and run the other way?? It doesnt work! Good sides, premiership sides, have 2 kpf's and at least 2 kpb's. Thats a structure.

Also, it may be my perception, and I don't have stats, but does Hall actually take pack marks? I know he takes lots of marks on the lead, but can't recall him taking any big grabs in a pack scenario. If we kick it high to him, and spillages occur, who will be the crumber?

OK he is more of a lead up forward, but on on one still very good. Crumbers - aka, johnno (over the back), STACK.

 

[2691617]

As I asked elsewhere, for all the posters proposing Hall and a young tall in the same team, who will miss out? Assuming Welsh gets replaced by Hall (and Welsh is better defensively), and for example Grant comes in, who goes out? And with two talls in the forward line, then there is no place for Minson, so we end up with our ruckmen always changing off the bench. We will lose a mid-field runner, and this will affect our structure (obviously) and leg speed, and one less player to rotate through the middle.

Also, it may be my perception, and I don't have stats, but does Hall actually take pack marks? I know he takes lots of marks on the lead, but can't recall him taking any big grabs in a pack scenario. If we kick it high to him, and spillages occur, who will be the crumber?

The Minson experiement up forward has not worked, he is the next no.1 ruckman to take over from Hudson with Roughead developing as a no.2 for the first 5 years. It gives Will the chance to play where he plays best, enough of this patch up crap.

Hall lead up forward with Grant / Jones / Everitt / Cordy (initally a forward) or whoever as second option and Johnson. This releases Higgins to a true midfield role to shore up our stocks there.

Eagleton off the list with Welsh therefore creating more opportunities for Reid / O'Keefe / Reid / Stack

Williams gets right and Bouman the 3rd or back up tall down back

 

[dogz]

Hall will/would add much needed muscle to our forward line.
Sure Minson has strength, but he dosen't use it and has butterfingers.
When can we expect Grant to show something? Doubt it will be next year if he hasn't pushed hard for games in 09.
Hall and Aka would be ideal playing in the doggies forward line in 2010