Hardwick quits

[Coach_Required]

Spare me the hyperbole.

I already said my issue is his integrity. In some ways this makes the coaching transition easier. That does not change the fact that he had 2 years left on his contract.

Burnt out like Dusty? Take some time out.

Burnt out with coaching Richmond? Be honest about it and * off like Northey did. Don't just say you're burnt out with coaching (after a one point loss I might add), head off overseas for three whole months and miraculously get the hunger back.

A man with integrity would say "I have the hunger back" and come back to Richmond.

No way Dan,

Northey had a contract with us, wanted an extension because Brisbane had offered him a massive deal. We said no and he ****ed off a year earlier.

This has been discussed over and over, yet our fans still think Northey was shafted by us.

The only similar thing between Northey & Hardwick was they both had a contract with us, Hardwick was upfront in quitting, Northey wanted out because we wouldnt extend his contract.

 

[Coach_Required]

I am perfectly ok with Dimma going to coach elsewhere, but its gotta be called out for exactly what it is - walking away from Richmond, his contract, commitment to the club & the playing group - to take on something new - after making us commit to the biggest trades the club has made in well over a decade. The club hasn;t really given away this many assets in a single off-season in its history as a "win now" move, ever in its history. Some might say that 2016 we did, but feel like the deals we got then were almost all "under market" value. All these deals felt like we were paying top dollar. They were very expensive transactions and its probably his decision to walk away so soon that has me most disappointed

Richmond gave up pick 6 & pick 20 to the Dogs for Nathan Brown and then we won the spoon the following year. So, you're wrong.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Yeah mate, the head chef of Vue De Monde, Luci, Miznon walks out to take a job at McDonalds.

Yeah mate, because McDonalds will be giving him a pay rise

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

How many coaches has won Premierships with more than one club?

The one’s I can think of are; Matthews, Malthouse, Parkin, Barrassi and Jeans. Anyone else?

Wouldn’t mind seeing Hardwick join such an elite group. As long his first agenda is changing Gold Coast horrible jumpers…

Blight. But, yes, small group

 

[All Aust]

Hardwick was confident that Taranto + Hopper were the only missing piece for success. Turns out they weren’t the only missing piece for success this year. Hardwick then took himself out by resigning due to burnout. That’s a pretty straightforward progression of events when you consider that he didn’t think he’d do the club service by continuing in his state.

Another thing you’re missing is that if Richmond wanted Taranto/Hopper only for short-term impact, then we’d only offer them short-term deals. The fact we reportedly offered them long-term deals tells us that we have long-term plans for them. Cotchin, Dusty, and Prestia aren’t going to stick around for long. All are 30 and above. We need experienced midfielders to lead the next generation of midfielders, and Taranto + Hopper have the right experience/age range for this. They’ll help smooth the transition into the new era, and what player would do that on a cheap deal? We’d want good pay as well if our boss asked us to take on a role like this.

So that Hopper + Taranto deal in principle isn’t a fail if the short-term goal isn’t met. There is also a long-term goal. Our next rebuild would take longer without them IMO.

Expect that both were recruited on their leadership characteristics.

 

[Reservoir tiger]

Blight. But, yes, small group

Blight only won flags at Adelaide as coach.

 

[SleepingGiant]

Richmond gave up pick 6 & pick 20 to the Dogs for Nathan Brown and then we won the spoon the following year. So, you're wrong.

Yep and everyone keeps running the same old argument of draft picks are speculative whilst ignoring that NO club wins premierships outside of getting to the elite end of the draft and running the gauntlet or some kind of father son, club merger arbitrage.

The only time trading picks works is for a clear need AND the talent A or B+ grade for a need when a window is opening from a drafted and developed list core of already elite talent emerging into it's prime (2016 offseason). This is the same for Free Agents. Elite A+ grade agents or you have a Lynch/May in your bookends that win you flags or a Zack Williams, Saad, type thing that is relatively ineffectual as their impact only equals that of what you can rookie list and develop yourself (Grimes, Lambert, Baker, Short, etc).

You look at Jeremy Cameron right now, thats the type you must get and pay through the nose for. Same with Lynch, Steven May, Prestia's etc. Otherwise you need to lick mud and draft it.

 

[tora tora tora]

If you look at the decisions Dimma has made over the past 12 months, i legit believe you must be willing to believe ANYTHING you are told , if you believe that.

You reckon him quitting mid contract, after trading all our tradeable future assets for a "win now" move - to take on the biggest AFL endorsed role in the entire leage - the coach of the head case AFL Suns, - is him being "selfless" & putting Richmond first? What i don't like about Dimma atm is is he appears to be the biggest ******* gaslighter i have ever seen. The bullshit narratives he is trying to let run to avoid mud sticking to him from all this is pretty ridiculous. Anyone who has been gaslight from a serious management/organisation before would know exactly what is actually happening here.

2021 we have been crap on field ~ stand rule? premiership hangover. $1.3 million Dusty missing was a huge factor. 2022 slight improvement and make finals
2023 We paid market price for 2 mids. RFC could still get Sun's first round pick for 3 academy kids

Midfield was our huge weakness and list management dealt with it. Bringing in 2 mids ended up not working at all for Dimma. Couldn't win games.
Mini has been able to win games with Hopper and Taranto and no $1.3 million Lynch.

Does Dimma run trading at Punt Road?

Quitting mid contract saves us paying him out. Suns job becomes available months after Hardwick quits.

 

[tigerdan]

Again you focus on one quote from a 30 minute presser

I'll take Brendan Gale at face value..... "its big of Damien to put the club first"

Not sure why you are trying to paint it as some offhand comment when quitting the job was specifically because of burnout: "i'm done, put a fork in me". It's not like it was a slip of the tongue that changes the whole perspective. He went in to the meeting with Benny and pulled the pin. This was widely reported and unless it's some grand conspiracy / coverup like TI is insinuating, it's only reasonable to expect that he did quit because of burnout.

 

[energyquant]

Dimma brings out the best in the Suns. Perfect match.

I'll still give the guy a standing ovation when he steps onto the turf next, regardless of which team he's coaching.

 

[tigerdan]

Richmond gave up pick 6 & pick 20 to the Dogs for Nathan Brown and then we won the spoon the following year. So, you're wrong.

We also gave away our first three picks to get Kane Johnson.

 

[tigerdan]

Hardwick never said he was burnt out

Hardwick went to see Gale the morning after the Essendon match and said "put a fork in me, i'm done".

 

[tora tora tora]

Not sure why you are trying to paint it as some offhand comment when quitting the job was specifically because of burnout: "i'm done, put a fork in me". It's not like it was a slip of the tongue that changes the whole perspective. He went in to the meeting with Benny and pulled the pin. This was widely reported and unless it's some grand conspiracy / coverup like TI is insinuating, it's only reasonable to expect that he did quit because of burnout.

Please provide me with the time in the presser that "burnout" was the reason he quit. I missed it

 

[tigerdan]

No way Dan,

Northey had a contract with us, wanted an extension because Brisbane had offered him a massive deal. We said no and he ****ed off a year earlier.

This has been discussed over and over, yet our fans still think Northey was shafted by us.

The only similar thing between Northey & Hardwick was they both had a contract with us, Hardwick was upfront in quitting, Northey wanted out because we wouldnt extend his contract.

Without derailing it too much:

Northey was great in 94 and 95. 93 too if you include the pre-season finals, though we did bomb out catastrophically in the season proper.

Mal Brown arrived at Tigerland in ~94 (possibly early 95). Immediately he started agitating to get Sheedy and white ant Northey. I don't think anyone can deny this happened.

Northey's contract was until the end of 96. As Leon Daphne said "John Northey has walked out on Richmond".

I 100% 'get' why Northey bailed. ****, almost all of us were fantasizing about getting Sheedy to Richmond back then. Sheedy was a demigod in the early 90s before he became a ****wit. But Northey did bail while under contract.

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

We also gave away our first three picks to get Kane Johnson.

Dark days indeed.

 

[tigerdan]

Please provide me with the time in the presser that "burnout" was the reason he quit. I missed it

oh and now we're playing semantics.

Damien Hardwick explains decision to quit Richmond in farewell press conference

‘If I couldn’t give this club the very best Damien Hardwick I wasn’t prepared to see it out.’

7news.com.au

 

[TigerImposter]

The great Ted Dibiase. One of the all time great heels.

Incredible bloke. I think he’s a billionaire now.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Richmond gave up pick 6 & pick 20 to the Dogs for Nathan Brown and then we won the spoon the following year. So, you're wrong.

Richmond gave up pick 6 & pick 20 to the Dogs for Nathan Brown and then we won the spoon the following year. So, you're wrong.

Yeah we gave away twice that for Hopper & Taranto. We basically made the Brown deal TWICE last off-season. So not quite the same. Its actually twice as bad

And when we made the Brown deal, it was not meant to put us in a GF window. We had not made the finals for a few years when we made that trade & the year prior we finished 4th last. So us finishing bottom was hardly a big surprise to anyone, except Richmond supporters of course -as we are intoxicated by the special elixir of "get successful, quick" mentality which - we almost always see fail. You are comparing apples that are 20 years old to today's watermelons. Nothing like the same situation at all. And you either know that, or know a lot less than you pretend to.

The only time we can pretend that strategy ever worked in 40 years is the 2016 off-season where we got Prestia, Toby & Caddy. And in reality, that had a lot more to do with coaching formation changes, an elite class of Hall of Famers about to hit "peak" form etc.

Using the 20 year old Brown deal as an example is a joke

 

[tora tora tora]

oh and now we're playing semantics.

Damien Hardwick explains decision to quit Richmond in farewell press conference

‘If I couldn’t give this club the very best Damien Hardwick I wasn’t prepared to see it out.’

7news.com.au

Thanks for the link. Again no mention of "burn out" per se. Just looking for clarity.

You are outraged at the prospect of " burnt out" Hardwick in discussion with another club. After that club sacked their coach last week 2 months after he quit Richmond.

I don't care. As long as our soft cap isn't paying out Hardwick.

What an awful job. Coaching the suns.

 

[RJK Tiger]

oh and now we're playing semantics.

Damien Hardwick explains decision to quit Richmond in farewell press conference

‘If I couldn’t give this club the very best Damien Hardwick I wasn’t prepared to see it out.’

7news.com.au

yeah i can't be assed trying to debate the obvious with people who want to remain dumb & numb anymore.

If he didn't quit mid-contract for burnout - what exactly was his reasoning? How about for once you ****wits find a quote that supports YOUR argument instead of constantly asking for "more data" yourselves.

The idea Dimma quit to help Richmond and "throw himself on the sword" is absolutely laughable. No one in their right mind could possibly believe that.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Thanks for the link. Again no mention of "burn out" per se.

You are outraged at the prospect of Hardwick is in discussion with another club. After that club sacked their coach last week.
I don't care. As long as our soft cap isn't paying out Hardwick.

What an awful job. Coaching the suns.

So him saying " He can;t give the very best Damian Hardwick" is not him saying"he is burnt out".... ok


Then what do you think he is saying? That he just "doesnt want to" give us "the very best " Dimma?

What exactly are the reasons you are bullshitting leaning on here as the "alternative view"? Why do you thin he quit then?

“If I couldn’t give this club the very best Damien Hardwick I wasn’t prepared to see it out,” he said.

“The job of AFL coach is very, very tough. Don’t get me wrong I love it to death. But I just need a break.”




So basically.... he is saying he can't give Richmond the very best Dimma as he needed a break....but within 2 months he has enough juice to give Gold Coast the "very best " Dimma? or, are you suggesting he is coming back to coach the Suns despite not being able to give "the very best" Dimma?


You're having a laugh dude. This argument is so redundant at this point, lol

 

[Profop]

Hardwick felt his messages weren’t reaching the playing group with the same effect as they used to and as such he was struggling with the motivation to do the work to form those messages (his job)

That could be called burn out, could be called the early stages of losing the playing group. Doesn’t really matter what you call it. In the end it was best for him to stand aside but at no point could anyone have thought he’d be gone from the industry forever

 

[RJK Tiger]

Hardwick felt his messages weren’t reaching the playing group with the same effect as they used to and as such he was struggling with the motivation to do the work to form those messages (his job)

That could be called burn out, could be called the early stages of losing the playing group. Doesn’t really matter what you call it. In the end it was best for him to stand aside but at no point could anyone have thought he’d be gone from the industry forever

I think him hinting at a comeback 3 weeks later really blows this attitude up. don't you think? I mean, its pretty quick to move on that fast after over a decade and "needing a break".

Its like you thought he had 2 seperate thoughts. Like he sat there with 2 years to run on his Million dollar+ contract & despite that, he thought......


"irrelevant to how much i want all that money, I dont think the players are listening to me over the past month! Therfore i should quit! Do the right thing for the club i coached for over a decade! Walk away from 2 million dollars, because i am a Richmond man! Richmond first!! Blah blah blah"


....and at NO POINT did he look at that contract and think "thats money in my pocket".

....maybe, just maybe what really happened was....

...he thought the only thing stopping us winning a flag was that none of our midfield prospects had developed to help Cotching etc. So he endorsed the club sell 2 years of draft capital to get not 1, BUT TWO players who played pretty much the same role. When it became obvious the trade was not the "magic beans" he was hoping they would be - he decided to listen to the Gold Coast suns offers, weighed up his options.....

If Richmond failed to make the finals in 2023 and 2024 - were they likely to re-sign him at this point of proceedings....OR.... Should he maybe take the guaranteed 5 year deal on bigger money & better terms per year at the Gold Coast??

I strongly doubt his throughs of leaving Richmond and going to Gold Coast were 2 seperate thoughts that happened in linear lines. I reckon its far more feasible he quit knowing he had a bigger, longer contract to jump to. Its why i said exactly that at the time, i even named Gold Coast on the first day he re-signed as where he would end up either at the end of 2023 or 24. It was that predictable, that a non professional sports fan like me saw it and CALLED it as it was happening IN THE MOMENT. N recently divorced man is walking away from the biggest earnings of his life. Its not how the world works.

Thats how obvious all this was to some of us.We literally called it the day he re-signed

 

[TigerImposter]

Thanks for the link. Again no mention of "burn out" per se. Just looking for clarity.

You are outraged at the prospect of " burnt out" Hardwick in discussion with another club. After that club sacked their coach last week 2 months after he quit Richmond.

I don't care. As long as our soft cap isn't paying out Hardwick.

What an awful job. Coaching the suns.

So why did he quit then? .
oh to free up soft cap space. Hahaha why didn’t he think of that when he signed his contract? What a nice bloke and the world is flat.
You‘re giving more strength to the concept he was sacked?

 

[tora tora tora]

So him saying " He can;t give the very best Damian Hardwick" is not him saying"he is burnt out".... ok


Then what do you think he is saying? That he just "doesnt want to" give us "the very best " Dimma?

What exactly are the reasons you are bullshitting leaning on here as the "alternative view"? Why do you thin he quit then?

“If I couldn’t give this club the very best Damien Hardwick I wasn’t prepared to see it out,” he said.

“The job of AFL coach is very, very tough. Don’t get me wrong I love it to death. But I just need a break.”




So basically.... he is saying he can't give Richmond the very best Dimma as he needed a break....but within 2 months he has enough juice to give Gold Coast the "very best " Dimma? or, are you suggesting he is coming back to coach the Suns despite not being able to give "the very best" Dimma?


You're having a laugh dude. This argument is so redundant at this point, lol

I've never done anything like coach an AFL team but its highly paid, you get sacked if not successful. Hardwick said in May he "needs a break" Coming back to Richmond was one possibility but 2 months into his break, mid July, Dew gets sacked and Hardwick's name mentioned by the press as a replacement.

Hardwick has not been appointed Suns coach.

I don't Hardwick's mind. If he's keen on a fresh challenge. Trying to get success out of the suns?! I watch with interest