Has Carlton lost Football World's respect?

[Dodgy Barry]

Brightspark your Captain just left your club and CHOSE Carlton largely because of the warped 'culture' at West Coast.

Nope.

The mercenary bidded himself off like a $2 hokey to the highest bidder.

We eagerly await when your team approachs finals and players start jumping off because your club can't afford anyone of substance.

 

[skipper kelly]

All depends on how you define tanking I guess

Try And No Kreuzer would be a start.

 

[bushie]

i hope judd has ongoing groin problems for the rest of his career.. bloody carltank

Class...all class!

 

[awesome wells]

Yeh what a pathetic hack you are

Wishing another player has injuries

I hate plenty of clubs but would never wish injury on them

You are a disgrace

Oh yeh

YOUR club is guilty too

Do you remember Laidley putting all those players in for surgery last year when they could have played on?

IIRC Carlton did the same thing with Fevola and a few others yet we're the only ones accused of doing it to tank

id never wish for a superstar like judd to have injuries.. i love watching him play.. but u clowns dont deserve him

 

[Thrawn]

Class...all class!

Looks like he missed quite a few of them.

 

[fev13]

We broke the rules and were punished for doing so and to all you eagles supporters out there, how much exactly was peter matera wife making for working 1 night a week at a bar owned by a so called friend of the west coast football club.

As Steven Kernahan said last year

At the end of the day were carlton, **** the rest

 

[inyourcool]

its pretty simple folks - either every club who qualified for a priority pick has tanked knowing that they could obtain draft advantage by losing those last few games of the season or no-one has ever tanked at all.

To say that Carlton tanked this year yet no club previously has is sheer hypocrisy

If not, get over it and move on

 

[SolidTiger]

We broke the rules and were punished for doing so and to all you eagles supporters out there, how much exactly was peter matera wife making for working 1 night a week at a bar owned by a so called friend of the west coast football club.

As Steven Kernahan said last year

At the end of the day were carlton, **** the rest

I think your confused. According to your profile your Richmond.

 

[Baroclinic instability]

its pretty simple folks - either every club who qualified for a priority pick has tanked knowing that they could obtain draft advantage by losing those last few games of the season or no-one has ever tanked at all.

To say that Carlton tanked this year yet no club previously has is sheer hypocrisy

If not, get over it and move on

The other notable point is the number - or lack thereof, of teams who have finished on 6 wins compared to those that have finished on 5

Would anyone be able to give me the exact statistics since 1999?

 

[bushie]

Looks like he missed quite a few of them.

Very true!!

Seems that he has a non-existent backbone as well after this....

id never wish for a superstar like judd to have injuries.. i love watching him play.. but u clowns dont deserve him

 

[SolidTiger]

its pretty simple folks - either every club who qualified for a priority pick has tanked knowing that they could obtain draft advantage by losing those last few games of the season or no-one has ever tanked at all.

To say that Carlton tanked this year yet no club previously has is sheer hypocrisy

If not, get over it and move on

If clubs did tank in the past (if they did they did it in such a way that their is strong doubt about it), they did not embrace it to the extreme that Carlton has this year.

If clubs did it in the past it would have only been for the last one or two games and only a small minority of the supporters wanted to see their team lose.

Carlton on the other hand was obviously tanking with six or seven games left in the season, Swann made comments that was just stopping short of saying that the team should lose, a listed "champion" said he wanted the team to lose and no other supporters of a club has cheered so hard for their team to lose as Carlton has.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

If clubs did tank in the past (if they did they did it in such a way that their is strong doubt about it), they did not embrace it to the extreme that Carlton has this year.

If clubs did it in the past it would have only been for the last one or two games and only a small minority of the supporters wanted to see their team lose.

Carlton on the other hand was obviously tanking with six or seven games left in the season, Swann made comments that was just stopping short of saying that the team should lose, a listed "champion" said he wanted the team to lose and no other supporters of a club has cheered so hard for their team to lose as Carlton has.

So therefore by your definition the other teams only cheated a little bit ?

 

[Baroclinic instability]

So therefore by your definition the other teams only cheated a little bit ?

Just like being a little bit pregnant isn't it?

 

[Thrawn]

Very true!!

Seems that he has a non-existent backbone as well after this....

Hey bushie, have you ever thought of changing cats? A vicious Garfield would be hilarious.

 

[bushie]

Hey bushie, have you ever thought of changing cats? A vicious Garfield would be hilarious.

You tell me where to find one and I will put it up.

 

[inyourcool]

If clubs did tank in the past (if they did they did it in such a way that their is strong doubt about it), they did not embrace it to the extreme that Carlton has this year.

If clubs did it in the past it would have only been for the last one or two games and only a small minority of the supporters wanted to see their team lose.

Carlton on the other hand was obviously tanking with six or seven games left in the season, Swann made comments that was just stopping short of saying that the team should lose, a listed "champion" said he wanted the team to lose and no other supporters of a club has cheered so hard for their team to lose as Carlton has.

Wow, how exactly do you define that? Was losing the last 14 games of the 2004 season extreme for your club? Wait, i know what you're going to say, you were plain sh!t

Right, so tanking 1 or 2 is OK, yet 3 and above is tanking. Can you pass that rule book around I seem to have misplaced my copy...

 

[SolidTiger]

Wow, how exactly do you define that? Was losing the last 14 games of the 2004 season extreme for your club? Wait, i know what you're going to say, you were plain sh!t

Right, so tanking 1 or 2 is OK, yet 3 and above is tanking. Can you pass that rule book around I seem to have misplaced my copy...

I think you also need a dictionary. Look at the meaning of the word "if". I was speaking hypothetically. As mentioned there is strong doubts as to the other teams tanking, while there is little doubt about Carlton tanking.

Also for the record, I don't think it is OK for teams to tank any games and if (you may need the dictionary again) they did then it would have not been to the extreme to what Carlton did but it doesn't mean I condone it.

Also we were pathetic in 2004, do you think we weren't? Frawley at the time had no reason to tank because he knew he lost his job and owed Richmond nothing. If anything he would have wanted to win in order to restore some of his own pride.

 

[inyourcool]

I think you also need a dictionary. Look at the meaning of the word "if". I was speaking hypothetically. As mentioned there is strong doubts as to the other teams tanking, while there is little doubt about Carlton tanking.

Also for the record, I don't think it is OK for teams to tank any games and if (you may need the dictionary again) they did then it would have not been to the extreme to what Carlton did but is doesn't mean I condone it.

Also we were pathetic in 2004, do you think we weren't? Frawley at the time had no reason to tank because he knew he lost his job and owed Richmond nothing. If anything he would have wanted to win in order to restore some of his own pride.

I think you need a dictionary to look up the definitions to words like hypocrisy, double standard and subjective reasoning. Once again you use this work "extreme" like it is a clear point of difference from our performances this year to those of others in years past. Once again, a matter of opinion and nothing more. Stop flogging it off like you have uncovered anything factual.

I think there is no doubts that others engaged in this type of behaviour in years past. The pies and hawks were that deliberate in their tanking in 2005 that the AFL saw fit to change the qualification criteria for priority picks following their blatant manipulation tactics towards the end of that season.

But hey, our approach this year was extreme

 

[SolidTiger]

I think you need a dictionary to look up the definitions to words like hypocrisy, double standard and subjective reasoning. Once again you use this work "extreme" like it is a clear point of difference from our performances this year to those of others in years past. Once again, a matter of opinion and nothing more. Stop flogging it off like you have uncovered anything factual.

I think there is no doubts that others engaged in this type of behaviour in years past. The pies and hawks were that deliberate in their tanking in 2005 that the AFL saw fit to change the qualification criteria for priority picks following their blatant manipulation tactics towards the end of that season.

But hey, our approach this year was extreme

Actually, the AFL started thier investigation before the 2005 season started and decided to change the system before the season ended going by memory. The AFL decided not to implement the changes until 2006. They did not change on Collingwoods and Hawks results of the 2005 season.

As far as refering that Carlton was extreme in their tanking, I am allowed to my opinion and I still think there is little doubt that Carlton tanked.

 

[inyourcool]

As far as refering that Carlton was extreme in their tanking, I am allowed to my opinion and I still think there is little doubt that Carlton tanked.

Fair enough, but so did other teams previous to us.

Its not like we're coming of years of success, we were wooden spooners in 05/06. Our side was not much better this year, especially when we lost Stevens.

Swann's admission was that under the current rules it was an attractive proposition to not win anymore games. He was just stating the bleeding obvious. Or would you rather Demetriou's denial that the system gives sides down the bottom an incentive

 

[SolidTiger]

Fair enough, but so did other teams previous to us.

Its not like we're coming of years of success, we were wooden spooners in 05/06. Our side was not much better this year, especially when we lost Stevens.

Swann's admission was that under the current rules it was an attractive proposition to not win anymore games. He was just stating the bleeding obvious. Or would you rather Demetriou's denial that the system gives sides down the bottom an incentive

I think this is one thing that we both can agree on. The best way to get rid of all this tanking speculation and incentives is for Demetriou to scrap the priority picks.

 

[BigBadCam]

What a load of bullocks.

When you're actually at the game, you can keep an eye out on these players, particularly on the bench. Even better when you're sitting near the area or have good sight of it. You claim that you're in a better position to judge when all the TV does is show snippets of the bench, but for the majority of the time shows actual play rather than focusing on individuals for over a few seconds. You see more in the flesh, and see what the cameras do not show you - the benefit being that you can focus on individuals and see what they are up to while not in the action.

They were very fatigued, and that is a fact. They were both running hard all day, worked their asses off and needed a rest or else their fatigue would potentially cause a turnover.

Christ's sake, you didn't even know what game it was until I reminded you. Had you actually watched the game you would've realised what I had said about those three players being benched was true. Cut the crap, it's not going to work with me because I will catch you.

You say tomato, I say tomato. You were wearing blinkers. I was not.

 

[afl99]

yeah cause their shit

 

[Thrawn]

You say tomato, I say tomato. You were wearing blinkers. I was not.

No, you were comprehensively outpointed by some key facts you seemed to ignore earlier on. You then ridiculously claim that you had a better vantage point from watching it on TV rather than actually being at the ground, then being foolish enough to say that this would make you a better judge on this issue.

And the Fevola one... well, you can't really add anything to that unless you're going to fabricate something out of thin air. Which you probably will, because you've got no where to go here.

 

[MarkT]

I don’t know whether Carlton lost to Collingwood last year because they didn’t want to win and didn’t try their utmost or because Roca took a few grabs and Collingwood over ran them but I am positive they didn’t want to win and didn’t try their utmost. I am also sure Greg Swann knew Judd was coming home. Greg Swann also knew and admitted Carlton would be far better off losing. Terry Wallace knew the same but obviously to a lesser e4xtent and said so with his famous Fonzie quote in round 22. Clubs tank. Carlton tanked more obviously and to a greater extent than any side in history. Bit like their cap cheating. I am not sure how important the respect of other clubs is to them or for that matter any other club that thinks they can survive under their won steam. They sure as hell better hope Pratt doesn’t turn his toes up though because if he does things will get very gloomy very quickly and a lot of people will have remembered why they won’t shed too many tears.