Has collingwood been worked out?

[Dazb86]

Given they won so many games by tiny margins you'd assume it would take only a tiny margin for it to go the other way.

They've had an unbelievable run of luck over the last couple seasons.

 

[3207]

Given they won so many games by tiny margins you'd assume it would take only a tiny margin for it to go the other way.

They've had an unbelievable run of luck over the last couple seasons.

And when you’re getting touched by 4-5 goals the highly questionable free kicks don’t really help all that much.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

God this is going to be a damn good death ride for your lot !!

We’ve got Port’s first too.

 

[YouBeauty]

Our issues this year so far are a result of too many skill errors and not working as hard as the opposition. I'm not sure what there is to 'work out'.

 

[3207]

We’ve got Port’s first too.

Jeez that’s handy!

 

[YouBeauty]

imagine winning a flag and your fans walk out in round 1 the folllowijg year.

Carlton supporters would do the same and you know it.

 

[magpielicious]

Attitude is King in AFL. Go out there with the wrong head space, and you are cooked. Got nothing to do with being worked out. 2023 proved that on any given day, any team can win, draw, or lose.

 

[RUNVS]

My view too soon to judge really. Both GWS and Sydney will play finals. Let’s see how the next few weeks go.

I don't want to sound arrogant here, and I hope I don't, but lets say Sydney and GWS have found the correct recipe in defeating Collingwood. It has yet to be determined if less skilled or less fast teams can do the same thing.

I can read any of mozart's songs, doesn't mean I can play them.

 

[Lsta062]

Over the past two years, 17 out of their 38 wins have been by under 10 points. Nearly 50% of their wins have come from very close games.

As mentioned above that’s not sustainable and they rode the wave and probably some luck brilliantly to get a flag and good on them.

However IMO it’s one of the luckier flags in recent time simply due to getting over the line in close games which most of the time, comes down to luck with one or two decisions going your way or individual moments of brilliance rather than the overall team.

Even last year, they were often behind 3-4 goals but would pull it back for a close win. Lose that ability and they are simply back to the pack where they were for large periods of the games last year.

44% of wins under 10 points isn’t a sign of sustainable success but rather a sign they grabbed their golden run with both hands at the right time.

That's actually a pretty good point. In the past, a top 4 team winning a lot of the close games was a sign that they'd drop the following year (e.g., Geelong 2014, Fremantle 2015, Hawthorn 2016). But I thought that Collingwood put an end to that when they won the Premiership after winning so many close ones in 2022.

But maybe they won't avoid the fall. Perhaps they just delayed it. Who knows.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Jeez that’s handy!

Pretty sure plan A is to convert them all into Logan McDonald.

 

[3207]

Pretty sure plan A is to convert them all into Logan McDonald.

Chips in.

 

[Giant Pete]

I don’t know but it appears Darcy is no longer forcing himself to smile for the cameras as he walks up the race.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Nobody because they gave us the pick for Schultz

He looks bloody ordinary.
Was he any good at Freo?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I don’t know but it appears Darcy is no longer forcing himself to smile for the cameras as he walks up the race.

Nankervis did this the other night. He was actually the only one smiling.
Its looks so forced.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

He looks bloody ordinary.
Was he any good at Freo?

Kicked more goals than any other Freo player across the last two seasons.

 

[Worm4]

Carlton supporters would do the same and you know it.

I dunno bud it's been almost 30 years. There was a mass exodus at 3/4 time but . The G looked empty early mins of the last

 

[rapidfire7]

McRae is a genius for winning a flag with this group. Complete lack of key position talent, and more than a few very average footballers running around, which he got playing out of their skins for the team.

The problem is that their best was only a small fraction better than quite a few other teams, so if they are only 10-20% off, they really come back to the field and can look quite ordinary.

 

[Noidnadroj]

There’s not too much to work out. Oldest list in the comp. One of the weakest forward lines in the comp. Winning a ridiculous number of close games that’s unsustainable.

They won the QF against Melbourne despite 32 less inside-50’s because Melbourne had Petty, Van Rooyen and Melksham not playing.

They were a few lucky umpiring decisions that went their way from losing to GWS in PF.

Then they snuck in over Lions on their home ground against a team that had won one of their last 14 games at the ground… if that game is at the GABBA or a neutral ground Lions win easily.

So they haven’t been worked out. Other teams have just rocketed past them and are much better than they were in 2023.



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[3207]

There’s not too much to work out. Oldest list in the comp. One of the weakest forward lines in the comp. Winning a ridiculous number of close games that’s unsustainable.

They won the QF against Melbourne despite 32 less inside-50’s because Melbourne had Petty, Van Rooyen and Melksham not playing.

They were a few lucky umpiring decisions that went their way from losing to GWS in PF.

Then they snuck in over Lions on their home ground against a team that had won one of their last 14 games at the ground… if that game is at the GABBA or a neutral ground Lions win easily.

So they haven’t been worked out. Other teams have just rocketed past them and are much better than they were in 2023.



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Every umpire hates the Giants. Our games are officiated with a distinct bias and agenda against us.

It’s honestly sickening.

 

[bzparkes]

I know it's only 2 rounds in but I got pulled on for suggesting they'd struggle this year due to the age of their list and that they were genuinely on the cliff of a rebuild coming up.

That was a couple of months ago.

Early days but the call isn't looking too bad at this stage ..

 

[Arr0w]

Don't think it's a case of being worked out, just started extremely flat and disinterested

Although, next 2 weeks will be interesting

 

[MF]

I suspect in the coming weeks they'll notch up some good wins over lesser teams and the media will get back on board and their fans will believe that the workrate and skills are back, when in fact they're just playing lesser opposition.

They'll still be a force this year IMO but unless they get a really good run with injuries from here on out I'm not sure if they'll be able to repeat last year's heroics.

The competition is so even at the top these days that it doesn't take much for other teams to go past you. A little bit of good or bad luck can change your entire season.

The gameplan however will still hold up against teams without the skill or pace to break through it.

 

[StillAtLarge]

McRae is a genius for winning a flag with this group. Complete lack of key position talent, and more than a few very average footballers running around, which he got playing out of their skins for the team.

The problem is that their best was only a small fraction better than quite a few other teams, so if they are only 10-20% off, they really come back to the field and can look quite ordinary.

Fair assesment. They don't look anywhere near as physically primed as this time last year- hard to tell if it's just attitude and/or if they're just not in great shape but yeah, if the pies are slightly off their game there's not enough individual talent out there to jag them some arsey wins imo

 

[gbatman]

The big reason why Collingwood have been so good for the last two seasons is not because they have an exceptional list, they have a good list, it's because they have been ahead of the rest in regards to the anti-congestion rules which came in.

When the AFL brought in the stand, 666 and kickout rules. Most teams fought against it and attempted to maintain their old way of playing. Keeping the game congested, contested, boundary side and in close. Collingwood decided to submit to what the AFL were trying to achieve and formulated a game plan that was based around fast and direct ball movement which opened the game up, allowed their forwards more space to work in and gassed their opponents, making the up and back defensive running that much harder.

They also moved away from the old way of defending and applying pressure which was about having numbers and congestion around the ball to having fast agile players around the ball and playing a very close one on one game while keeping the field setup balanced.

I think Collingwood's list management also saw the new rules coming and they maintained fast players who had the right attitude when it came to chasing, tackling and applying pressure.

Two things have happened. All the other sides have caught up and have developed the same gameplan and fundamentals. Teams are going for faster more direct ball movement and have introduced faster, pressure orientated players to their wings, flanks and onball groups.

Other teams are giving them a taste of their own medicine. Having more speed around the ball, applying good heat on them, making them run a lot harder defensively etc.

What made Collingwood's gameplan work was their effort. Hard chasing, hard running, high pressure through high efforts. After two really hard long seasons and coming off a premiership, it's fair to say the effort may have dropped 5% which is enough to make their tactics fail.

The other issue they are having is the lack of a tall forward target is beginning to bite them. McStay going down is a big one. Mihocek not in great form and being a sole tall target is not working. McStay didn't have a had in their grand final win but he had a hand in them getting there. They may have been able to win it without him but getting there is a long and hard journey which may have been too hard without him.

Their forward line is very non-threatening without those tall targets.

I think Collingwood were a good team (not a great team) with a great game plan which was intune with the new rules and was ahead of the rest of the competition. I think they are a teams with a few holes in them such as the lack of tall forwards and teams are exploiting that. I think 2 seasons of ultra high effort football and coming off a flag may have taken a bit of the sting out of their game. I think the rest of the competition catching up tactically and list wise has also taken away what was unique and special about them.

I would not be surprised if they struggled this season. The quality is there but the aspects that gave them an advantage the last two season may not be.

The key for them is finding the motivation and spark and getting their pressure orientated game going again. If they can do that then the wins will start coming. But I don't think they will be top 4 again. Could be wrong though, they may find a player or two.

 

[LordLucifer]

Have collingwood been worked out strategically?? Or is it something else?? Discuss

Off topic .........

Why do people see the need to put that word at the end of their post ??

Two questions have been asked anyway and the purpose of a forum is to make discussion.