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Society/Culture Has society become better or worse over the past 30 years?
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Sorry they are about 78ish
because the views you hold persist longer.
I'm not suggesting it is a bad thing per se, but if you look at a few of the big issues they are persistently impacted by an aging demographic.
Do you not agree that the world would look different if the average life expectancy was still 60.
Possibly, and I'm definitely saying this with a western-centric view. However, the pure stats suggest that it remains true for the whole world. You can't really ask a question about society and then try to differentiate for the individual.
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Whilst I agree with your general conclusion I would challenge your version of “better “ in some respects . Most of these have probably been mentioned.
The first one is people’s privacy and vulnerability due to the proliferation of the internet. Hacking and scamming is spiralling out of control and will get worse before it improves. Is the everyday stress of having to deal with this a “ better “ way to live
Extinction of species- across so many levels this is getting worse , not better . Forrest’s across the world are still being decimated for agricultural and housing expansion in turn making the wildlife vulnerable. Even the growth of people owning cats and dogs is having an incredibly harmful effect, we lose over half a billion animals a year just from Cats in Australia
Mortgage and general cost of living and inflation stress . Pushed out of control since Covid , people across the world are not happy with the extra pressures put on them to carry the load whilst the class divide between the rich and poor widens . The wealth of some people in this world is obscene.
Overpopulation without planned infrastructure
Perceived life of watching people on the internet vs the realty of real mundane life causing the young generation to have a twisted sense of reality .
I could go on and on .
Yes medical advancement has improved longevity of life and some of the poorer people in the world now have better access to the fundamental basics to sustain them but in general I’m not happy with the direction we are heading .
Seems too fast and guided by the wealthy to suit their own agendas
Privacy laws have only been getting stronger over the last 30 years. They can struggle to keep up with changing tech, but it's a focus now more than ever. I agree hacking and scamming is an issue, but it can't really be called worse than 30 years ago - it's effectively a novel problem.
I'd like to see some stats on this but I imagine that given the increased focus on environmental conservation, there's a lot more being done about these issues than there was in the 90s.
This one I can agree with. While overall quality of life is better and we have an expanded middle class, the cost of housing in real dollars has gone up significantly, and it's something that government could fix relatively quickly through policy.
This has been a constant issue throughout history. Some cities are affected more than others. Hard to say exactly how bad the issue really is and whether it's really any different to any other time.
Fair enough, that's an opinion. I also have concerns about various elements of policy, the environment etc in the future. But we are talking about the now at the moment.
Why is it a good thing? diminishing returns after three score and ten
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Yes it's the waste that's the painful bit. Abundant energy and resources, relative peace compared to last century, science and tech gone bananas
Which metrics? GDP maybe. If you look ate mental health/suicide rates it suggests something is wrong on at least a subconscious level. Take China out and poverty rates etc look pretty flat. Population growth obviously makes this a fruity stat but most slaves/prisoners in history, in totality there are more individuals suffering than at any other point in time
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100% worse
Over population has impacted on most of.our major cities.
Social media has led to a focus on quick rather than considered debates and encouraged the extremes on both sides of a discussion.
Appearance has won out over delivery of an outcome.
Pollies are far more dodgy and governments more wasteful.
People are far lazier, shallower and softer.
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Over population has impacted on most of.our major cities.
Social media has led to a focus on quick rather than considered debates and encouraged the extremes on both sides of a discussion.
Appearance has won out over delivery of an outcome.
Pollies are far more dodgy and governments more wasteful.
People are far lazier, shallower and softer.
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It’ll get a lot worse if Trump wins. Take a calculator to his first 4 years and multiply it by about 10. America will begin chewing itself out which will give Russia and China a lot more confidence to kick off their agendas.
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Stopping a couple of million illegal immigrants crossing the borders will undoubtedly make it worse
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We are talking about on average. And on average its better. On measures of poverty, violence, real wealth, life expectancy, human right and leisure time.
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Yep. While the world has continued to improve its facing a potential turning point where things get worse again. And it could happen very dramatically.
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Because condcious life is the only thing of value. The only thing that provides happiness, joy and contentment. The only thing that is aware.
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As I said:
Society/Culture - Has society become better or worse over the past 30 years?
Probably depends who you are and where you live.
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If true, once it isn't aware, it won't care.
The only thing that saddens me about an end to the world is the fear and suffering immediately beforehand.
After that, well it's gone. My fear now has nothing to do with what happens after extinction. And nobody will be left to mourn.
Are you sure you're that much more aware than say a whale?
Very much Human dominance/supremacy that has got us into this mess, we are nothing but a part of this biosphere, looking like a short lived one at that
There's a bit of terror management theory here, inability to reconcile inevitable death
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Proof of concept
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I've had this conversation before with ShanDog, where he replied with the following:
So - while I agree with you some - we don't really know that sitting in the middle of it, and the shit we've done in the past 150ish years puts a bit of a lie to that.I understand this perspective, I just think it's underselling just how drastically different we are to the closest possible animal match you can think of.
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Yeh I understand this view point and certainly held it maybe 5 years ago. We are the universe looking at itself which is very cool
The last 150(250? depends on where you count from) years are the important bit, whats happened in that time? Massive amount of energy we have unleashed through fossil fuels(aka the carbon pulse). If you look at all species through energy exploitation/dissipation/gradients it makes sense, the size of the wolf pack is set by the size of the deer herd is set by the amount of vegetation that grows etc reaching an equilibrium
Any species given the amount of energy we have access to would do the same, rabbits will breed and eat out a pasture(if it's fenced from predators) until its barren and they die off. We are in the barren and die off stage, we killed the predators a long time ago(including bacteria/viruses etc)
The interesting thing about humans is that we(some of us at least) are aware of this and could well change our behaviour before natural limitations kick in. The cruelty of this is that we won't
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