Opinion Hawks & free kicks

[Agent Smith]

There's a lot in this.
We don't complain about every free kick like certain Geelong players and others.

Yet again in a Geelong game, the umpire last night had to tell the handbagger players 'you just play the game and let us do the umpiring.'

The is seriously something f**ked up at GFC. Probably a virus introduced from their whining coach.

 

[Soft as malaxos]

Its bias alright, opposition fans and the media goons are sick to death of us winning and the way we're winning and now the reality planted in the back of
their tiny minds that we are a great chance again is just too much to handle.

This exactly. The media are pushing the whole #freekickhawthorn thing to the hilt. For instance at half time in lasts nights game they spoke more on the 50m penalties paid to the Hawks as opposed to Dangerfield being clearly out of bounds before he kicked that goal in the 2nd.

 

[LuckyHawk]

This exactly. The media are pushing the whole #freekickhawthorn thing to the hilt. For instance at half time in lasts nights game they spoke more on the 50m penalties paid to the Hawks as opposed to Dangerfield being clearly out of bounds before he kicked that goal in the 2nd.

Yep, its super obvious right now. Dangerflog's both feet were out and the ball is in his right arm and the boundary ump was 5 metres away!

 

[Hawk Dork]

Danger can even talk an umpire out off giving the deliberate handball over the line as deliberate

 

[MinerBoy]

There's a lot in this.
We don't complain about every free kick like certain Geelong players and others. We just get on with it, so when we do complain, the umpires realise they've stuffed up.

Also, when a free kick is given, rather than whinge, we look to where to ball's about to go, watch out for the opposition and keep to our structures.

It's partly keeping to the rules and partly discipline.


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Very true.

And I laugh when I read "but they're so unsociable. How did they get more frees than us?"....

Me: What did we do unsociably in last night's game?

Response: Um, that's just the way you guys play.

Absolutely just buying in to the stereotype but without any reason for that tag to be applied to the current game where (in the case of the Swans game) we simply tackled a lot better and often then the opposition and also managed to dispose of the ball more efficiently when we were tackled. In comparison with the Swans who continually tried to barge through or fend off tackles unsuccessfully.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Im surprised the Hawks dont get more free kicks
We arent touching anyone playing kick to kick uncontested footy
We are being hunted because we have the ball and causing panic as we are about to deliver
If blocking and holding was adjudicated properly and consistently we should get nearly all our goals from free kicks

 

[ScottMaginness]

First post-match article I read on a Fairfax site after Thursday's game featured a picture of Brand going up in a marking contest with Buddy clamping a hand around his mouth from behind. Didn't notice a free kick for that on the night.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I was thinking the same

 

[Kuuz]

Honestly, you can either choose to see our current 13-3 record as a result of an absurdly consistent level of coincidence/umpire conspiracy or that we, a team of three-time champions, know how to win close games.

The free kicks thing this year is last years "unsociable" football and the cant win the GF without Buddy the year before. People will always try to downplay our wins in the hope that it makes us more beatable, or our close wins not seem like wins.

At the end of the day, the historical ledger only remembers who won the one day in September/October. Not a free kick differential.

Every time that "#freekickhawthorn" is uttered by another supporter, all I see is "#wegotheadf***byhawthorn"

 

[OnTheRocks]

my initial gut feeling of the umpiring on Thursday night was that for the most it was good. Not perfect but good. A few head scratching decisions but not enough to want all umps keel hauled.
This is just my take on how it played out. Hope its not too long winded for you to scan over.

qtr 1
3:36 left on the clock. Syd FP. Missed free to Franklin. Dropping the ball against S. Mitchell. 50 metres out on the boundary line. Goal potential 50/50?

qtr 2
6:00 left on clock. In centre. Missed free to Franklin. S.Mitchell, holding the man.

qtr 3
14:47 left on clock. Haw FP. Possible free to Breust. Parker initiates contact and holds jumper, Breust then holds Parkers jumper. Probable goal. Play on call is ok as both players holding.
12:44 Haw Def 50 near boundary line. Possible 50 m penalty. Duryea marks & receives late & deliberate forearm to back of head from Jones.
10:53 Centre wing. Possible free to Lloyd against Rioli for dropping the ball.
9:58 Haw goal square. Possible free to McEvoy against Grundy for holding the man. Probable goal.
8:51 Centre wing. Possible free to Frawley against Franklin for push in the back. Play on call is ok.
8:19 Haw FP 20 metres out. Possible free to Rioli. Ump blows whistle just before Mills marks the ball. Bemused commentators think it must have been for the mark & that Grundy clearly didn't make any body contact. Darcy "say that again" you nufty. Syd move ball down to their fwd line to Rohan & he kicks a goal. 12 pt play.
7:28 Replay shows Grundy running back with flight of the ball but not watching it, while Rioli & Mills clearly have eyes for the ball. Grundy makes front on contact with Rioli & Mills takes an easy mark. Probable goal.
6:55 Centre. Possible free to Hodge against Naismith for incorrect disposal. Play on call is ok.
6:17 Syd BP. 50m penalty against I.Smith. Head scratching decision.
6:11 Syd HFF. Possible free to Rohan against Lewis for holding the ball. Lewis makes no attempt to dispose of the ball but is clearly chicken winged. Ump calls play on & T.Mitchell throws the ball. No free kick to either side. The Umps making no decision in this contest is baffling.
5:31 Tin foil hat time as the boos begin for the free to Gunston against Aliir Aliir for holding.
4:13 Wing boundary. Puopolo kicks the ball off the ground so as to run onto it along the boundary line.
4:11 Haw HFF. Ump calls deliberate out of bounds against Puopolo. Pretty soft free IMO
4:02 Centre. Possible mark to McGlynn as he appears to take a grip on the ball but is immediately spoiled by Whitecross. Play on call is ok.
3:15 Syd FP. Possible free to Richards against Stratton for holding. Rohan takes the mark in the contest & kicks a goal anyway.
1:48 Syd FP. Possible free to Rohan against Lewis for dropping the ball. This is similar to the Naismith/Hodge one earlier. Lewis probably makes it look worse than what it really was. Play on is ok. Ball stays in Syd fwd line & at 1:15 left they mark & goal.
0:06 Haw F50. 50m penalty to O'rourke. More head scratching stuff. Gifted goal.

qtr 4
17:53 Cetre wing. Possible free to Jack against Burgoyne for holding the man. Play on call is ok.
17:16 Syd HFF on boundary. Possible free to Hewitt against Litherland for over the shoulder.
17:48 Haw Fwd. Hill kicks a point? Called out on the full.
16:17 Syd Fwd of centre wing. Free to either Rohan or Richards not paid. Mistake by ump.
16:03 Syd HBF. McGlynn receives a free kick for a dangerous tackle by Hodge. Mistake by ump.
9:23 Haw Fwd. 50m penalty against McGlynn. Ump gets it right.
6:30 Centre wing. Possible free to Whitecross against Rampe for holding the man. Play on call is ok.
3:37 Syd HFF. Possible free to T.Mitchell against Hill for running to far.
1:18 Haw Fwd. BT covers the commentary box with goo for Cyril.

 

[Glenhope]

I am interested in the thoughts of the knowledgeable Hawks supporters on the reasons why we seem to have a favorable free kick deferential?
I get the impression that because free kicks are part of the game, that we are actually coached as to give away as few as possible. Not just the obvious ones that players know about & sometimes brain fade into giving away (Lewis & Hodge), but coached into structures that get rewarded because it forces the opposition into infringing upon our players.
I get the feeling that it is being enforced on our players as not to give away free kicks & is frowned upon unless it is to the benifit of the team to do so.
As Hawthorm stive to be the best club in Australia, it makes sense to play by the rules as not to give any opponent a free kick but also makes perfect sense to gain as many free kicks as possible & gain an advantage by doing so.
Is this another one of the little things that we do that make us so good?

This may have already been discussed, idk.

Oh and #freekickhawthorn

Feelings and impressions. If you want a serious response show some data.

 

[Xtreme]

Yet again in a Geelong game, the umpire last night had to tell the handbagger players 'you just play the game and let us do the umpiring.'

The is seriously something f**ked up at GFC. Probably a virus introduced from their whining coach.

If they didn't have their heads stuck up their own rear ends they would still be in the top 2. But thanks to their Dangerfield and whinging bout Hawthorn obsession they have lost focus of the main goal of any team, winning a premiership.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Feelings and impressions. If you want a serious response show some data.

what are you doing here? gtfo.

 

[madhawksfan]

A big problem with a lot of supporters and neutrals is that they expect that the free kick count should be even. If one team is first to the ball more often, tackling more effectively or using the ball with better system then you'd expect those sides to get more free kicks.

WB, Adelaide and Hawthorn, who among the teams with positive free kick differentials, are good examples. WB are the best contested ball side, Adelaide have excellent system moving the ball forward and the Hawks are the same. Hawks also are the best forward pressure side which results in more holding the ball decisions.

On Thursday, Shitney tried to take on the tackler time and again and were caught on several occasions. There were also a number of other times they got away with it. One example was when Franklin should've been pinged for holding the ball in their forward line in the first quarter. It was called a ball up and from the stoppage Kennedy jagged a goal.

For years, we couldn't win a free kick count to save ourselves and now that we are people are losing their shit and are blaming every loss on that.

The two 50m penalties were both correct decisions and resulted from poor positioning from the Shitney players. That comes back to their coaching staff also.

To quote the great Sean Connery "Losers complain, winners go home and **** the prom queen."

 

[OnTheRocks]

I think the McGlynn 50 was there but the others were a bit stiff. Other than the 50 we got all other frees we got were definitely there. After watching the replay I think we were declined a few goals from some average decisions.

 

[seysearles]

Discussion about Freekick Hawthorn on AFL Exchange Podcast ---> AFL Exchange Rd.18

 

[Roddy]

Roddy, you should post your comment on the main board. It's as perfect a summary on this subject as there could possibly be. Bravo!

Thank you, I have said words to that effect on the main board. Funnily enough, it fell on deaf ears.