List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2023

[Billyc]

Please…..the difference between the two is remarkable.

Obviously, though I think the point was simply that being rookie listed itself is irrelevant to ability and potential. That’s the thought process that sees Newcombe being massively underrated in the media etc because of where he was drafted, while players taken early are overrated on “potential” simply because of what recruiters thought about them when they were 17.

I am unconvinced on Long but I think he’s a better prospect than Stephens who was once an early pick and is just ordinary.

 

[Yardie]

A question for those that watch BHH a bit more than me. Could Long make it as a mobile ruck? If we went with Reeves/Frost for now with the expectation that we end up with Reeves/Ramsden with Meek/Long as the back-up.

 

[WWSD]

A question for those that watch BHH a bit more than me. Could Long make it as a mobile ruck? If we went with Reeves/Frost for now with the expectation that we end up with Reeves/Ramsden with Meek/Long as the back-up.

Long is too undersized to play in the ruck. Other than playing as an inside midfielder, he lacks versatility. Sadly I think he will
be among those that will be delisted.

 

[peetoo]

It’s a thought bubble, bu the predictability of reeves or meek rucking with frosty providing occasional absolute unpredictability could work.

But frosty then needs to rest forward or on the bench

 

[Mitchell Madness]

With 1 decent pick and McCabe and recent large list churn I wouldn’t be cutting hard. To me lynch Maginness Morris wingard are the 4 keep all KP players until we have better. Even if we secured another good pick that’s still 2 plus McCabe and a rookie.

Lynch will retire.
He is working as a coach with the women's team and hasn't been training. He's done

 

[Yardie]

It’s a thought bubble, bu the predictability of reeves or meek rucking with frosty providing occasional absolute unpredictability could work.

But frosty then needs to rest forward or on the bench

Or he could drop back as a spare. We know he can take a mark. (Yes I am fully aware of Frostball and its implications)

 

[peetoo]

On the whole his contribution was positive yesterday

 

[SSSSSS]

On the whole his contribution was positive yesterday

Think he would thrive as the second ruck. No David Hale but maybe a Leeroy Brown.

Big aggro unit to cause some havoc.

 

[Walshawk]

Not sure why we are playing Serong and Jeka in defence for BH. What we need most is a decent KPF to work with Lewis. Rama is promising but still a few year off being able to hold down the Hale role.

Need to get DGB into the Box Hill backline and at least one of those guys forward for the rest of the season.

 

[perrdan86]

Not sure why we are playing Serong and Jeka in defence for BH. What we need most is a decent KPF to work with Lewis. Rama is promising but still a few year off being able to hold down the Hale role.

Need to get DGB into the Box Hill backline and at least one of those guys forward for the rest of the season.

I would think Jeka has shown more playing as a KPD at box hill than DGB has thus far?

 

[faucon]

I would think Jeka has shown more playing as a KPD at box hill than DGB has thus far?

I agree. And Jeka and DGB are both 21. As many suggest that tall guys take time, I'd argue Jeka is the one we should persevere with in the backline.

 

[Billyc]

I agree. And Jeka and DGB are both 21. As many suggest that tall guys take time, I'd argue Jeka is the one we should persevere with in the backline.

Wasn’t an early draft pick which seems to inform a lot opinions though

 

[TDS7]

And while he develops, Ricardi.
And while McCabe develops, Ratagoulea. Structure is what we need.

Fischer McAsey was a top end prospect. He got played too early, beaten into the ground, and retired. I'd rather give McCabe someone to benchmark against while developing, if that's Rats then so be it. Truth is, if he can't beat Ratagoulea for a spot after a year or two either we got a steal from the cats or he isn't quite there yet. Same with Curtin and Riccardi, you back players to make it when you make them earn it.

The rest of the team needs to learn how to play with two tall forwards. The backline needs to learn to play with a proper KPD. Even if Riccardi and Rats aren't the best bookends in the league, they let us play the way we want to play. It's the same with Frosty right now, him making bonehead mistakes and getting beaten one-on-one means our younger defenders like Weddle can play agressive and use their strengths, and our stars like Sicily can really impact a game. Of course we want an upgrade from Frosty, and we'll likely want better than Ratagoulea and Riccardi in four years time, but not having them damages the rest of the team's development within our gameplan.

 

[Walshawk]

I would think Jeka has shown more playing as a KPD at box hill than DGB has thus far?

Maybe. When you watch Box Hill neither is outstanding. Jeka does some nice things and DGB is better when contesting. Both look about state league level. But what we do know is the DGB definitely ain’t a forward.

 

[peetoo]

Maybe. When you watch Box Hill neither is outstanding. Jeka does some nice things and DGB is better when contesting. Both look about state league level. But what we do know is the DGB definitely ain’t a forward.

Had one game at box hill and 1 1/2 in seniors. It didn’t seem like a serious attempt to get him in the role

 

[The Chad and I]

And while he develops, Ricardi.
And while McCabe develops, Ratagoulea. Structure is what we need.

No thank you.
Neither will be an upgrade on the fill-ins we have now.

You’re substituting one set of frustrations for another.

I rather we keep the draft capital and salary cap for something else, like paying salaries upfront, buying draft picks etc.

 

[Steven Tyler]

And while he develops, Ricardi.
And while McCabe develops, Ratagoulea. Structure is what we need.

Are you trying to turn us into StKilda?

Trading for tradings sake

And why would we trade for Ratagoulia when you’ve mentioned we have Hayes in a salary dump from GWS?

 

[Mercy Seat]

Not sure why we are playing Serong and Jeka in defence for BH. What we need most is a decent KPF to work with Lewis. Rama is promising but still a few year off being able to hold down the Hale role.

Need to get DGB into the Box Hill backline and at least one of those guys forward for the rest of the season.

Jekas started the year back, gone forward for a few rounds, been injured and now in defence again. Let’s just let him settle in the one position for a while rather than shaking it all up again and moving him forward. Same with Caleb. Both are potentially saving their careers by the promise they’re showing in defence.

 

[Walshawk]

Jekas started the year back, gone forward for a few rounds, been injured and now in defence again. Let’s just let him settle in the one position for a while rather than shaking it all up again and moving him forward. Same with Caleb. Both are potentially saving their careers by the promise they’re showing in defence.

Serong showed plenty last year up forward. Our backline is already OK and we will add McCabe. Our forward line is terrible.

 

[Walshawk]

Had one game at box hill and 1 1/2 in seniors. It didn’t seem like a serious attempt to get him in the role

Agree. Poor coaching.

 

[FB19]

I don’t think we should move Jeka on and I know I’m probably in the minority. He’s 22 great size sublime skills everyone is rallying around DGB who was picked in the same draft and shown no more. I think we keep both unless they unlock better draft hands. As things stand we lose Lynch to retirement which I assume frees up a spot for Ryan who that have to give a contract to surely for next year. That means we need 3 list spots and unless we get early picks in, I would take pick 3, McCabe and re-rookie someone we delist. We have had a lot of turnover we don’t need deep cuts again and surely we err on the side of kpp. For the 3 cuts Morris is 1, Morrison is 2 and Finn 3 and the re-rookie one of them.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

We don't need a KP forward who can play second fiddle to Lewis.
We need a KPF who is better than Lewis.

Roughead-level ability is what we need.
Lewis is somewhere between Tim Boyle and Nick Holland for ability.

Excuse me?

 

[Yardie]

I don’t think we should move Jeka on and I know I’m probably in the minority. He’s 22 great size sublime skills everyone is rallying around DGB who was picked in the same draft and shown no more. I think we keep both unless they unlock better draft hands. As things stand we lose Lynch to retirement which I assume frees up a spot for Ryan who that have to give a contract to surely for next year. That means we need 3 list spots and unless we get early picks in, I would take pick 3, McCabe and re-rookie someone we delist. We have had a lot of turnover we don’t need deep cuts again and surely we err on the side of kpp. For the 3 cuts Morris is 1, Morrison is 2 and Finn 3 and the re-rookie one of them.

I'd be really surprised if both Morrison & Finn are delisted.

 

[Lickmesocks]

Fischer McAsey was a top end prospect. He got played too early, beaten into the ground, and retired. I'd rather give McCabe someone to benchmark against while developing, if that's Rats then so be it. Truth is, if he can't beat Ratagoulea for a spot after a year or two either we got a steal from the cats or he isn't quite there yet. Same with Curtin and Riccardi, you back players to make it when you make them earn it.

The rest of the team needs to learn how to play with two tall forwards. The backline needs to learn to play with a proper KPD. Even if Riccardi and Rats aren't the best bookends in the league, they let us play the way we want to play. It's the same with Frosty right now, him making bonehead mistakes and getting beaten one-on-one means our younger defenders like Weddle can play agressive and use their strengths, and our stars like Sicily can really impact a game. Of course we want an upgrade from Frosty, and we'll likely want better than Ratagoulea and Riccardi in four years time, but not having them damages the rest of the team's development within our gameplan.

Blanck with his size and shape looks like we may have finally found one but agree we need to fill out key position posts at CHB and CHF to allow others to play natural positions and flourish.

 

['51 Bewick]

Hi folks,
Assuming Footywire is up to date, Ned Long is out of contract end of 2023. Has this been updated, or do you think he'll get another contract?
Cheers.