Hawthorn fans and their enormous whole of insecurity

[HAWKS HEROES]

No, I know we weren't this bad. I don't particularly care, but I'm not going let you know whenever I feel like it.

Remember how bad your memory was about the Selwood hype stuff?

sorry but quite a few of you were very cocky ! you just could not see it cause you are from the same team as the cocky ones and were on a high from winning the 07 GF , you know yourself how cocky GC_26 was . i know at times i think you tried to rain him in but no luck

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

sorry but quite a few of you were very cocky ! you just could not see it cause you are from the same team as the cocky ones and were on a high from winning the 07 GF , you know yourself how cocky GC_26 was . i know at times i think you tried to rain him in but no luck

No, I saw it, I saw it all, and was labelled as arrogant and cocky.

Hawthorn supporters have gone above and beyond the call of duty. It's no big deal, you won the flag, but you can't expect a turned cheek in return.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

No, I saw it, I saw it all, and was labelled as arrogant and cocky.

Hawthorn supporters have gone above and beyond the call of duty. It's no big deal, you won the flag, but you can't expect a turned cheek in return.

i know you were not cocky just so you know but that was how i saw some of you lot no all witsend i thought was ok too and some others but some were shockers , not saying some of our guys have been angels but just letting you know was not having a dig at you just the ones that were

 

[Rushed_Behind]

No, I saw it, I saw it all, and was labelled as arrogant and cocky.

Hawthorn supporters have gone above and beyond the call of duty. It's no big deal, you won the flag, but you can't expect a turned cheek in return.

Who cares who's fans are more cocky, what matters is the players and the coaching staff's attitude, but i am certain club insiders and some players would not have been happy with, i think Moondog saying "last" years premiership is for the players, IMO that wreaks of arrogance.

Having said that Geelong were more outcoached than outplayed, your forward line was your obvious weakness and no matter what any team tried your midfield would always win plenty of ball. So yes you had 62 inside 50's, but alot of it was not quality as it was being kicked in rushed, sloppy and to contests.

Finally about the insecurity, like you said its hard to turn the cheek when your achievements aren't being recognised, rather dismissed as luck.

I hope this made sense.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Finally about the insecurity, like you said its hard to turn the cheek when your achievements aren't being recognised, rather dismissed as luck.

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i agree 100% we won fair and square yet alot of geelong supporters and maybe a few others are calling it luck or the bradbury ! well we did not do that to geelong in fact i wanted them to win the 07 GF maybe i should not have but that is what i wanted to see , the best team won it fair and square , no excuses at all as both sides fielded what they believed was the best team for the day !

 

[MightyHawks]

I'm not making excuses though. In fact, it seems that you guys are making excuses, like the umpiring and your injuries. I don't know how it works, making excuses after you win, but you clearly feel you need to validate your wins so the doubt is obviously present.

I don't think I've ever had a happier day at the footy as I was at the GF.

I remember going into the Round 17 match asking everyone I knew whether they thought we were a chance as I believed we were - no support from opposition supporters.

I was delighted with that result as we'd proven to ourselves that we could beat the Cats. The cats walked away feeling unbeatable.

Again going into the GF, all non-hawks supporters told me you're no chance - the Cats are unbeatable. I turned up on the day fully believing that if we went with them for a half, we'd win.

I've seen and read all sorts of analyses about the umpiring, pressure, accuracy, inaccuracy, injuries, luck, you name it. But there's one major factor that decided the game - desire - one team wanted to win the game more. They put their body on the line, they backed themselves, they wanted to win it, they willed themselves to win it, they passed to players in good positions inside 50 rather than just bombing away.

So there you have it. Some Cats fans will attend the Round 1 match and watch us unfurl the flag - accepting that the better side on the day won it - and looking forward to a new year ahead 2009 with all possibilities open. Others will refuse to watch it unfurl, staying in denial - still mired in the past. You'd better hope your club isn't still in denial because if they are, they won't win another.

 

[tazhawk]

Look at you... Now all of a sudden you're an expert on judging how cocky each teams' fans were after they won the premiership.

Weren't you the guy who rubbished me for generalising about the Geelong fans who built up Joel Selwood as the second coming of Hayden Bunton? You asked me which mysterious cosmic wavelengths I was channeling to form such opinions.

It seems you have difficulty in separating reality from the posturing of a handful of Bay 13 clowns.

Of course you think the Hawk fans have been bad. Your team lost. They lost to Hawthorn. You've been hanging around this forum, eating shit for the past 6 months, posting your crap with "stiff upper lip" (and trembly lower lip)

Get over it, fella. Grab yourself a copy of the Grand Final. Watch it again. Have yourself a big cry and then put it to bed. Stop fixating on Hawthorn. You will never get the 2008 premiership back. Your boys blew it. F**kin' handbaggers. Chokers. Done. Full stop. Next.

100% spot on Chewy.

LLD has spent the last 6 months crying like a little girl.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The cats walked away feeling unbeatable.

Where do you all get this idea?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Who cares who's fans are more cocky, what matters is the players and the coaching staff's attitude, but i am certain club insiders and some players would not have been happy with, i think Moondog saying "last" years premiership is for the players, IMO that wreaks of arrogance.

He said last year's flag was for the fans. Only a few precious Hawthorn supporters seem to care what Mooney says, much ado about nothing there.

Having said that Geelong were more outcoached than outplayed, your forward line was your obvious weakness and no matter what any team tried your midfield would always win plenty of ball. So yes you had 62 inside 50's, but alot of it was not quality as it was being kicked in rushed, sloppy and to contests.

Sure, I'd agree with that.

Finally about the insecurity, like you said its hard to turn the cheek when your achievements aren't being recognised, rather dismissed as luck.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Tex_21]

MightyHawks-I'd be a bit worried with that Avatar-Hodgepodge may come running!

 

[OneEyedHawk]

i know you were not cocky just so you know but that was how i saw some of you lot no all witsend i thought was ok too and some others but some were shockers , not saying some of our guys have been angels but just letting you know was not having a dig at you just the ones that were

Actually, yes, he was. He's only become this shining advocate of humility since his team got done. When the shoe was on the other footy, he was as bad as anyone.

This thread is the ultimate in irony. The OP is someone who has a 2:1 ratio in posting about Hawthorn vs posting about his own club. Yet we're insecure.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Actually, yes, he was. He's only become this shining advocate of humility since his team got done. When the shoe was on the other footy, he was as bad as anyone.

Pissing off Hawthorn supporters does not equate to being arrogant and cocky, hope this helps.

 

[witsend]

. Have yourself a big cry and then put it to bed. Stop fixating on Hawthorn. .

Well..that's difficult when every 2nd thread in Bay 13 is by various Hawk's supporters bagging Geelong/Carlton/Richmond/PA et al and telling us that guys like Luke Hodge are capable of creating world peace simply by donning a Hawthorn football jumper!
I think some gloating by the Hawks was more than justified given the odds going into the GF and I for one was prepared to "suck it up" and "take it on the chin". All part of the give and take of footy!
But 6 months have passed..the new year is on us..and all bets are off...so if you wanna bag Geelong, don't expect we will just sit back and take it anymore.
Game on!!

 

[witsend]

I don't think I've ever had a happier day at the footy as I was at the GF

Good on ya..it's an amazing feeling! And it was well deserved on the day.
We too felt it in 2007 after 44 long years!
I think we've all got our tears of pain and joy out of our system and now we all start with 0 points or percentage in Round 1....
Bring it on!!!

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Actually, yes, he was. He's only become this shining advocate of humility since his team got done. When the shoe was on the other footy, he was as bad as anyone.

This thread is the ultimate in irony. The OP is someone who has a 2:1 ratio in posting about Hawthorn vs posting about his own club. Yet we're insecure.

i must be on cloud 9 still from the win and forgotten that persons attitude towards us then , thank you for clearing that up for me

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Pissing off Hawthorn supporters does not equate to being arrogant and cocky, hope this helps.

are yes it does if you are saying we are being cocky doing what you did !

 

[STC]

Actually, yes, he was. He's only become this shining advocate of humility since his team got done. When the shoe was on the other footy, he was as bad as anyone.

This thread is the ultimate in irony. The OP is someone who has a 2:1 ratio in posting about Hawthorn vs posting about his own club. Yet we're insecure.

You guys are insecure, because you keep posting despite the fact that you apparently have no point to prove since you won the flag. LLD and myself know Geelong lost the Grand Final, we know we failed to win the flag. Regardless of whether we lost it ourselves or you beat us or it was a fluke or whatever, the end result for us is the same. Heck, I'd rather it if we were just outclassed, at least I could walk away saying that we did our best. I can't fool myself into thinking that we didn't have the chance to bury you in that second quarter though. There is no 'pressure' in us missing easy shots, it's just bad football.

Despite the fact that you apparently have nothing to prove, you still continue to start threads to put other teams down (from Geelong to Essendon and everyone in between - regardless of the relevance to your flag or not). That suggests you aren't satisfied with just being winners but have to stick it up people's asses as well. I didn't do any of that when we won the flag, I celebrated with my fellow Geelong supporters and felt serious pride. I don't bag Port Adelaide fans for losing that game, never did and never will. I'm not insecure about our win.

Whether I say it in a long post or in one sentence, the message is the same - you need to consider whether all this putting down of other teams is because of your high on winning the flag, or whether it is just you trying to boost your egos which aren't as high as you say they are.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I didn't come to Bay13 for a therapy session. Also you spelt 'hole' wrong.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

You guys are insecure, because you keep posting despite the fact that you apparently have no point to prove since you won the flag. LLD and myself know Geelong lost the Grand Final, we know we failed to win the flag. Regardless of whether we lost it ourselves or you beat us or it was a fluke or whatever, the end result for us is the same. Heck, I'd rather it if we were just outclassed, at least I could walk away saying that we did our best. I can't fool myself into thinking that we didn't have the chance to bury you in that second quarter though. There is no 'pressure' in us missing easy shots, it's just bad football.

Despite the fact that you apparently have nothing to prove, you still continue to start threads to put other teams down (from Geelong to Essendon and everyone in between - regardless of the relevance to your flag or not). That suggests you aren't satisfied with just being winners but have to stick it up people's asses as well. I didn't do any of that when we won the flag, I celebrated with my fellow Geelong supporters and felt serious pride. I don't bag Port Adelaide fans for losing that game, never did and never will. I'm not insecure about our win.

Whether I say it in a long post or in one sentence, the message is the same - you need to consider whether all this putting down of other teams is because of your high on winning the flag, or whether it is just you trying to boost your egos which aren't as high as you say they are.

you have been a good one i think don't mind reading your posts i think from memory [ i think ]

i think some want revenge on what some said about hawks probably manly gc_26 i might give it to him and some times have debates with a few others , which i hope did not turn in to arguments, which i can not guarantee did not happen if i got defensive on something said .

oh well anyway good luck to all for 2009

 

[STC]

I didn't come to Bay13 for a therapy session. Also you spelt 'hole' wrong.

I noticed that and changed it about a month ago. Thanks.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

You guys are insecure, because you keep posting despite the fact that you apparently have no point to prove since you won the flag. LLD and myself know Geelong lost the Grand Final, we know we failed to win the flag. Regardless of whether we lost it ourselves or you beat us or it was a fluke or whatever, the end result for us is the same. Heck, I'd rather it if we were just outclassed, at least I could walk away saying that we did our best.

And there's that arrogance that we all know and love.

I can't fool myself into thinking that we didn't have the chance to bury you in that second quarter though. There is no 'pressure' in us missing easy shots, it's just bad football.

That is complete garbage...surely not even you believe that? In a much-anticipated Grand Final, with your (really only) challenger coming hard at you, if you think missing shots at goal has nothing to do with pressure, then I'm not sure why I'm even bothering replying. It was ALL to do with pressure. The one thing I commented on when watching the game with my mates, even when we were trailing, was that our tackling and pressure on the ball carrier was first-rate, as good as I've seen. The cumulative effect of that pressure, combined with the occasion, combined with the fact that were so overwhelmingly expected to win, that was what resulted in you guys looking so shaky, and missing "easy" goals. That was on show the week before as well, against a far less ferocious opponent, the Bulldogs.You guys are light years ahead of them talent-wise, and only just 'limped' over the line.

But maybe you're right. Maybe, it had nothing to do with pressure, and in merely a case of just exceptionally bad timing, these players all just simultaneously developed structural flaws in their kicking?

Despite the fact that you apparently have nothing to prove, you still continue to start threads to put other teams down (from Geelong to Essendon and everyone in between - regardless of the relevance to your flag or not). That suggests you aren't satisfied with just being winners but have to stick it up people's asses as well. I didn't do any of that when we won the flag, I celebrated with my fellow Geelong supporters and felt serious pride. I don't bag Port Adelaide fans for losing that game, never did and never will. I'm not insecure about our win.

Whether I say it in a long post or in one sentence, the message is the same - you need to consider whether all this putting down of other teams is because of your high on winning the flag, or whether it is just you trying to boost your egos which aren't as high as you say they are.

Whether or not that is true, I don't remember and don't really care. I do know though that you seem to post ALOT about Hawthorn, so I'm not sure I quite believe you were really as magnanimous as you make out.

At any rate, I hate this grouping of team supporters all together as though they were one single entity. No other Hawk supporter speaks for me, or likewise me for them. Some I agree with, some I don't. So I don't buy into this "Hawk supporters this..." or Geelong supporters that...". It's rubbish. Address the individual if you have a problem, instead of lumping together an entire group of people, that are otherwise strangers apart from their football club allegiance.

 

[STC]

That is complete garbage...surely not even you believe that? In a much-anticipated Grand Final, with your (really only) challenger coming hard at you, if you think missing shots at goal has nothing to do with pressure, then I'm not sure why I'm even bothering replying. It was ALL to do with pressure. The one thing I commented on when watching the game with my mates, even when we were trailing, was that our tackling and pressure on the ball carrier was first-rate, as good as I've seen. The cumulative effect of that pressure, combined with the occasion, combined with the fact that were so overwhelmingly expected to win, that was what resulted in you guys looking so shaky, and missing "easy" goals. That was on show the week before as well, against a far less ferocious opponent, the Bulldogs.You guys are light years ahead of them talent-wise, and only just 'limped' over the line.

Oh yeah, Ottens was clearly under shitloads of pressure when he was walking into goal and missed from 15 out. And Mooney was under heaps of pressure when he was taking an easy set shot for goal.

 

[mess]

Well..that's difficult when every 2nd thread in Bay 13 is by various Hawk's supporters bagging Geelong/Carlton/Richmond/PA et al

Every second thread in Bay 13 by a Hawks supporter is bagging another club?

That's disgraceful!
What are we wasting the odd threads on?!

 

[mess]

Oh yeah, Ottens was clearly under shitloads of pressure when he was walking into goal and missed from 15 out. And Mooney was under heaps of pressure when he was taking an easy set shot for goal.

Sooo, are you bragging that they choked under no pressure at all? Or are you saying they should've got a do-over or something?

I don't get it bro, what's your angle...?

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Oh yeah, Ottens was clearly under shitloads of pressure when he was walking into goal and missed from 15 out. And Mooney was under heaps of pressure when he was taking an easy set shot for goal.

You've got no idea, do you?

Obviously, I'm talking about the pressure of the situation. It was a Grand Final, the entire season cam to rest on the outcome of this game. They were aware full well the implications of a loss after such a dominant season, it being such an enormous missed opportunity etc etc., they were playing their only real opposition who were coming and coming hard...FFS, you'd have to be borderline braindead NOT to feel the pressure of that.