News Hawthorn player questioned over sexual assault allegation - No Names, etc; UPDATED: cleared (9/5/16)

[grizzlym]

My point is that victim blaming is often a misnomer, and what people are really doing is taking responsibility for their own safety.

My point is: stop now.

 

[MistyAvalon]

I don't think it is victim blaming to suggest that we make better decisions that could lead to avoiding violence or sexual assault, it's just a way that we learn from experience to better protect ourselves.

It is how we make those suggestions.................

 

[RelaxMax]

I thought i was very, very clear earlier in the thread. Obviously not.

You were

But the sound of one's own opinion can by a powerful siren song

 

[Hawk Hawkins]

Depending on the context, she may not have put herself in a good position. We need less outrage over victim blaming and more emphasis on protecting ourselves for the world we live in.

Same goes for the players; we often hear that a player hasn't done anything wrong, but gets criticised for being in the wrong place at the wrong time of day.

 

[Lithium]

According to the age its just one player who has not played in a premiership thats under investigation.

 

[Tyrone Time]

That is a total contradiction of what they said earlier. Seriously, the media is a disgrace.

I still remember the Herald Scum saying Matthew Stokes had been dealing a commercial quantity of coke in the initial report.
Which was then amended to a substantial amount, then just dealing some pills, all in the space of 2hrs.

 

[Lethality]

It is how we make those suggestions.................

Sure, I'm not condoning comments made about this case in this thread which have been deleted, and nobody should assume I am.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Drink diving is (unfortunately) common in society.
* gets in an accident with a drink driver, not wearing a seatbelt.
Poor you but "Why weren't you wearing a seatbelt!?! ******* idiot!!!"

Rape and sexual assault are (tragically) common in society.
* gets r*ped after going home with two footballers late one night
"I hope the lady is ok"

Don't missunderstand where I am coming from, sexual assault is NEVER ok. But a bit of pro-active risk management.....

 

[Lethality]

. . .

Kind of my point, rapists don't care about all that.

 

[LunchboxLegend]

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An intelligent rebuke would suffice.....

 

[Biscut]

No

Not guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

No such thing.

The burden of proof in a criminal case is: Guilty, beyond reasonable doubt. (In other words if there is a reasonable boubt as to whether a person committed an offence he must be found not guilty)

 

[MistyAvalon]

Griz I am sorry but I am way to upset right now to find it.. but I think I can say that others are also revolted as they are saying the same thing to this lunchboxlegend...

sorry I tried to pm you but am shaking too much to work out how

 

[Boo71]

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[LunchboxLegend]

Griz I am sorry but I am way to upset right now to find it.. but I think I can say that others are also revolted as they are saying the same thing to this lunchboxlegend...

sorry I tried to pm you but am shaking too much to work out how

Different opinion to you, but not sure where I am being inappropriate.
We call this civilised debate.....

 

[grizzlym]

Griz I am sorry but I am way to upset right now to find it.. but I think I can say that others are also revolted as they are saying the same thing to this lunchboxlegend...

sorry I tried to pm you but am shaking too much to work out how

Take a breath (or six). It's just the internet, and things can wait.

But do find the post, and I will look at it.

 

[MistyAvalon]

Women making FHRITP jokes . . . maybe it's a meme that I don't understand.

I don't even know what FHRITP means.. a good thing perhaps.

 

[MistyAvalon]

Sure, I'm not condoning comments made about this case in this thread which have been deleted, and nobody should assume I am.

no Lethality I can read the intent behind your posts.. nothing offensive there at all.......

 

[eldorado]

No such thing.

The burden of proof in a criminal case is: Guilty, beyond reasonable doubt. (In other words if there is a reasonable boubt as to whether a person committed an offence he must be found not guilty)

Err...that's precisely what I said but thanks

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

so we're talking a player that plays in box hill ? or just somebody who didn't make the premiership team? Its just confusing is it a high profile player or just some guy from box hill?

Take the full list, subtract the guys who played in the GF and it's one of the rest.

 

[RelaxMax]

Griz this is it..
lunchbox legend... in just one of many horrible posts

*edited*

I'll edit my post that quotes that post

 

[MistyAvalon]

Err...that's precisely what I said but thanks

yeah but eldorado it is a specific legal term

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

This is a subject i know way too much about.....
Lethality yes you are correct, but generally those into that sort of lifestyle have willing victims .. but as much as I think it is necessary to say that rape is really misunderstood, right now we need to focus of this incident and see what the evidence says.

Did you mean to quote Lethality instead of me?

 

[Boo71]

Not wearing a seatbelt, but getting into an accident with a drink driver. Reconsider your response and repost.

 

[eldorado]

I don't follow this at all. Someone said if they get off , ir means they are innocent.

I said no, it just means they have not been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[grizzlym]

Thanks, people. Clean-up complete. Cards dealt and resumption of normal service.