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[Maddo11]

LOL Clarko won't be banned

Oh I think I finally understand all your posts on BF now

You post the opposite of reality.

Now I understand your hundreds of posts defending Scott Morrison.. best pm ever am I right going to romp in another ter....m... oh.

 

[Altum Volantes]

LOL Clarko won't be banned

Be realistic.

There’s no way this is going to melt away to ‘the black guys said all that stuff but we say they got it wrong so let’s call it even and move forward’.

The league know how damaging this is for their brand - this has mainstream media attention beyond what ‘Robbo and Gerard’ think about it and how much everyone loves old mate Clarko.

This is 2 years out the game. Minimum.

You want the extreme?

Wait till someone realises they went onto win Premierships after all these ‘human rights abuses’ - they could go after your flags.

Suddenly punishing the individual(s) won’t seem so bad.

 

[gouki88]

LOL Clarko won't be banned

Why not?

 

[Maddo11]

These emails are damning. They raise many issues.

However, this is a humanity issue. It's about treating ALL people with dignity and respect.

Nowhere in these emails is there any reference to the players race. Nor should there be. Race does not matter.

The cynic in me makes me think the pathetic organisation that is the ABC only ran with this story so they could bring up the race issue. Would they have ran with a similar story if it involved a non-indigenous player and partner? I'd take a punt and suggest similar situations have occurred to non-indigenous players.

Labelling someone a racist rather than a disrespectful human being makes for a better headline.

Mmmm yeah but HFC specifically initiated this review of first nations former players for a reason, so no

 

[jj15]

Did the player and the lady end up staying together or was this a total break up?

 

[Curly5]

They should be compensated. And well, for the trauma caused if the investigation rules in their favour. Why shouldn't they! Wouldn't you if that happened to your family?

Financial compensation would be the last thing on my mind. How do you calculate it anyway? I’m not sure what outcome they want or expect.

 

[Curly5]

The players and thier partners DID NOT instigate the investigation. It was Hawthorn!!

Wasn’t it set in motion by comments from Cyril Rioli and partner?

 

[western royboy]

Financial compensation would be the last thing on my mind. How do you calculate it anyway? I’m not sure what outcome they want or expect.

There is a suggestion one party is on a disability pension and unable to work due to mental health issues that may have stemmed from this. It would be an economic loss claim.

 

[myblueroan]

Financial compensation would be the last thing on my mind. How do you calculate it anyway? I’m not sure what outcome they want or expect.

I'm sure they'd want justice. And systemic change.
I doubt money is the motivation here and it should not detract us from the main issue which is massive misuse of power to the extent of human rights abuse.

 

[Oldmangrumpy]

How far back is this going to set the hawks?
Deserve everything coming their way if proven true.
Family club theme destroyed and who would want to play for them?

 

[Angak]

Wasn’t it set in motion by comments from Cyril Rioli and partner?

What's your point ?

 

[Sphynx]

There’s no way this is going to melt away to ‘the black guys said all that stuff but we say they got it wrong so let’s call it even and move forward’.

The league know how damaging this is for their brand - this has mainstream media attention beyond what ‘Robbo and Gerard’ think about it and how much everyone loves old mate Clarko.

This is 2 years out the game. Minimum.

You want the extreme?

Wait till someone realises they went onto win Premierships after all these ‘human rights abuses’ - they could go after your flags.

Suddenly punishing the individual(s) won’t seem so bad

The AFLPA has a lot to answer for given they overlooked human rights abuses for over a decade when reported directly to their appointed welfare officers.

 

[hawkman]

How far back is this going to set the hawks?
Deserve everything coming their way if proven true.
Family club theme destroyed and who would want to play for them?

Probably less than you think. The report also found that it is currently a good environment to go to. Amon seems still happy to come despite everything that has come out in the last week

Even North and Brisbane don't seem to be that impacted at this stage, with multiple players wanting to go to those clubs

 

[Noidnadroj]

Ever thought it’s a case of mind can change based off new evidence which comes to hand?

I don’t have a horse in this, I’m not desperate for Clarko, Fagan and Burt to go down, it just seems very unlikely that these are all terrible misunderstandings and all is ok.

But I’ve been wrong before, just looking at how these things usually go.

Also Newbold’s defence is laughable. Didn’t sent the emails which said were from his iPhone, ffs.

Didn’t it say ‘from my iPhone’..?? If a staff member of the club often replied to that email address and it came into their in-box, then from their phone it would also say ‘from my iPhone’….

It didn’t say : ‘from Andrew Newbold’s iPhone’ did it?

I’ve got no idea who replied but ‘from my iPhone’ is hardly a Smoking gun ……




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[Patchterrier]

I'm saying that if Clarko has had any part in the decision or said anything about it, they'll have to review it 3 times before they finalise it.

It can be done, but there's another layer of due diligence required.

Is there a recurring theme here?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/north-melbourne-ceo-ben-amarfio-resigns-from-position/news-story/1efd02cd6815bddd54bac16f1f9f73c2?amp

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[Xtreme]

Why not?

I'm just as confused as many others currently, if Clarko (and others) were running the club like the Italian/Russian Mafia, I highly doubt he'd be visiting the home's of various Indigenous players to learn more about their heritage, if he were hell bent on making their footy careers a living hell. My personal opinion thus far is that a communication line had gone haywire. A simple suggestion to "think about your future (career/personal life)" gets fandangled into "Clarko wants to play god".

I've been wrong many times this year and he very well may end up stepping away to "find himself"

 

[Mudsticks]

It was for Indigenous players and families, no one else

Unfortunately the media reported on it contents some big reputations have been damaged without the right to reply and before a completed enquiry. That doesn’t add up to natural justice imo

 

[Proper Gander]

No wonder Clarkson and others are pissed! It really doesn't look good for him right now.

But what if there are five coaches/employees who can testify to remembering the player coming to the club and declaring he doesn't want to stay where he is living?

We know very little about the full story. YET!

In most trials, the prosecution leads and then the defence goes next. Anyone making declarative statements about guilt or innocence at this time are just as dumb and pointless as each other.

Even if this does occur, there remains the question about the other players with similar accounts. Are there five coaches/employees who can give evidence discounting their experience as well?

Everyone seems very hung up on the question of whether the Ian story, and the termination account are true, false, misinterpreted etc. Everyone seems to have forgotten that other people had horrible narratives also.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

These emails are damning. They raise many issues.

However, this is a humanity issue. It's about treating ALL people with dignity and respect.

Nowhere in these emails is there any reference to the players race. Nor should there be. Race does not matter.

The cynic in me makes me think the pathetic organisation that is the ABC only ran with this story so they could bring up the race issue. Would they have ran with a similar story if it involved a non-indigenous player and partner?

Of course they would have.

I'd take a punt and suggest similar situations have occurred to non-indigenous players.

Except we have evidence of three indigenous players that have been targeted... and zero evidence of non-indigenous players being targeted.

So the basis of your punt is... ?

Labelling someone a racist rather than a disrespectful human being makes for a better headline.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

 

[FlyHigh18]

You’d be naive to think similar allegations don’t exist throughout the industry. To use a report that only interviewed first nations ppl and then claim ‘racism’ is just so absurd! And more importantly detracts from the real issue of ethical player management.

The ABC article is a mess. It even tries to push the racism agenda by stating “in all cases the players were indigenous”. Like no shit sherlock, but you forgot to mention the report your using didn’t talk to anyone else!

Imagine the can of worms that’s going to be opened and stories that come out when all players are interviewed. No way the AFL wants that. What a clusterfk!

 

[Brown Bottle]

Think the club has dome the right thing not commenting.
You only have to look in this thread to see that anyone that doesn't agree with the accusations is met with a level of vitrol

What is there to disagree with exactly? I'm intrigued. People were interviewed about their experiences. Who are you to dismiss them?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Why? He has protested his innocence and currently has the support of his club. And any attempt at “PR“ I imagine would be condemned by his detractors as exactly that.

Innocence to what, though?

 

[Maddo11]

You’d be naive to think similar allegations don’t exist throughout the industry. To use a report that only interviewed first nations ppl and then claim ‘racism’ is just so absurd! And more importantly detracts from the real issue of ethical player management.

Ah yeah, multiple indigenous players all having bad experiences due to perceived racist acts is detracting from the real issue that it might have also happened to some white guys but nobody asked

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

You mean other than categorically denying any wrongdoing? Lol how much more emphatic can they be

"I deny any wrongdoing. My version of events, if you ever care to ask, is very different"

If you hadn't already decided they were guilty (thank * you people arent doing jury duty), you'd see clear as day them saying "i deny all of this it didn't happen that way"

But what does "wrongdoing" mean?

His statements read to me that it all happened, but he doesn't think it was bad.
That's going to be a tough sell, from a reputational perspective.


As for deciding they're guilty, I wouldn't have a clue. FWIW, I don't really care that much either way. I have no skin in the game.

I certainly hope it didn't happen though to be honest.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Some saying he needs to do more for PR, others claiming he’s simply doing what he’s doing for PR!

I'm not saying he needs to. And I'm not saying he should.

I'm saying that if he's trying to save his reputation and continue working the AFL industry as a coach, he needs a PR team, not expensive lawyers and vague, carefully worded statements.