I reckon KB should be in there. His record is legendary.
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Forgot Lance Franklin
Was Hird a mid who went fwd or vice versa? I thought he was more a fwd injected into the midfield. But that is just me, Dons fans will correct me on this.
Judd has to be there.
Hard thing about this is value you give to positions on the field, or is this just the school yard wall and you pick the best 20 kids and go. If it is don't bother with Rucks or Defenders. Because between the great CHF/FF's + Mids they won't get a look in until the 30's possible 40's (imho)
If you can weight your own opinion Gary Ayres and Peter Knights would have to be have to be considered as defenders. Any of the WCE HB line circa 91-94. (and does B Houli get a look in these days? Hes pretty damn good over a long time and big games now)
And just for the convo piece if you were looking for genuine small forward who plays that position full time and is not midfield great sent to fatten up their career fwd (the old man saw Matthews play at CHF so his position belies the term small fwd and we all know KB was a rover) I cannot believe I am about to mention this but tip rat Milne has a CV explicitly geared to a small fwd and his stats suggest he is....nah cannot write but you know where its going. ASIO might be listening.
Replace Hird or Buckley with Dusty. Judd and Diesel deserve a spot over them too
Rance > both of themPutting the Geelong hat on, Scarlett and Enright have to be in the conversation. Doull is rightly in there obviously but he and Enright are arguably the two greatest small defenders of all time and Scarlett - well many people will say that he’s the equal of silvagni and the prototype attacking fullback who could also keep is opponent scoreless
James Hird averaged 20 disposals, 6 marks and 1.4 goals per game.
He has 5 B&F's
5 x All Australian
2 Premierships
Norm Smith medal
Brownlow medal
He earns the right, as a player, to be considered one of the all time greats.
Martin may get there someday, but as it stands right now, he's not there just yet.
LOLRance > both of them
Pendlebury just a gatherer around stoppages? Stat padded? Now while I’m open to debate let’s actually make reasonable points here..I am not a fan of Buckley..but Pendlebury as a footballer is no where near Buckley. Not interested in the B@F,s etc just as a pure "footballer". Pendlebury is one of Collingwoods best on a possessions basis but IMHO just a gatherer around stoppages ...he and Swan had one of the best 1 2's going around that certainly padded his stats as well as Swan. Buckley ave 18 Kicks a game..Pendlebury 13. Sure Pendlebury aves more HB but Buckleys kicks and goals are more telling.
Neither of them are Top 20 of all time.
Franklin over Jezza for me.
Jezza Is an AFL legend but with 444 goals from 279 games could you say his record stacks up in comparison to Buddy's?
Jezza was a genuine centreman/flanker (183cm). Yeah he played full forward one year (1970) and kicked the tonne. He also played a couple of seasons on a back flank (circa 75’), was a sometime ruck rover and finished his career as a back pocket. One of the most versatile players in history and you’re judging him on goal stats? Aren’t stats just the dumbest!
Six of the players listed above actually came from interstate in order to play in what's was the nations pre-eminent competition before it changed its name to the AFL.Only 10 of those listed played AFL
Whitten, Doull, Regan, Coventry x2, Matthews, Bunton, Reynolds, Stewart, Skilton, Rose, Greig, Murray, Coleman, Hart, Jesaulenko, Wade, Dyer, Farmer & Nicholls only played State League suburban football
Rance > both of them
Pendelbury's handball is what makes him elite, Buckley could never state that. If anything Buckley got out the back of a lot of contests and was given the ball because he was such an elite kick, does that make him also a stats padder.Pendlebury just a gatherer around stoppages? Stat padded? Now while I’m open to debate let’s actually make reasonable points here..
James Hird averaged 20 disposals, 6 marks and 1.4 goals per game. Dusty averages 25, 4 and 1.1
He has 5 B&F's, Dusty has 2 with another 4-5 years left
5 x All Australian Dusty has 3 with another 4-5 years to go. Will definitely catch this one
2 Premierships, Dusty has 2
Norm Smith medal, Dusty has 2
Brownlow medal Dusty has one too, and a Leigh Matthews Trophy
He earns the right, as a player, to be considered one of the all time greats.
Martin may get there someday, but as it stands right now, he's not there just yet.
Dusty is basically even on accolades already. Give him a couple more years to rack up more AA selections and B&F's and he'll catch him on that front. He's also got time for more Brownlows, Premierships and Norm Smiths.