Hird v Buckley v Voss

[legitimatic]

Off-season is in full swing it would seem.

Would be interesting if someone could be arsed digging up every one of these threads, would be pages and pages full of links.

 

[Robert Walls]

Voss Easily

 

[Panthera]

Buckley led hard ball gets, but cant remember what season.

1992

 

[Virgil]

Voss > Buckley
Hird > Buckley
R. Harvey (3 votes) > Buckley
Riccuito > Buckley
Macleod > Buckley
West > Buckley
A. Rocca > Buckley

 

[Kong]

Voss > Buckley
Hird > Buckley
R. Harvey (3 votes) > Buckley
Riccuito > Buckley
Macleod > Buckley
West > Buckley
A. Rocca > Buckley

but he's the worst 200-game player of all time?!

 

[alberto_cat]

but he's the worst 200-game player of all time?!

It's true, I read I on the Internets page Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Rocca

 

[adelaide_40]

Voss>Hird>Buckley

There are a few players not in this poll that are ahead of buckley though.

 

[didak04]

Voss>Hird>Buckley

There are a few players not in this poll that are ahead of buckley though.

Such as?

These 3 were a notch above any other mid-fielders of their era.

My Order: Hird>Buckley>Voss

 

[Virgil]

It's true, I read I on the Internets page Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Rocca

That is just ridiculously awesome .

Such as?

These 3 were a notch above any other mid-fielders of their era.

My Order: Hird>Buckley>Voss

Such as dual Norm Smith medallist Andrew Macleod.
Such as dual Brownlow medallist Robert Harvey.
Such as 7 (or 8?) time B&F winner Scott West.

To name just a few.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Hird for mine. A champion of champions.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

Hird from Voss then Buckley. All three were fantastic footballers and there isn't much beween them.

 

[wce4premiership]

This is the most done thread on bigfooty.

It's obviously ben cousins.

Really though couldn't you just look at old polls?

 

[lionbear]

Three great players. But I would take Voss as his body size allowed him to go in hard and protect himself (Not saying Hird and Buckley weren't both very tough as well).

I am clearly biased though.

I would include Riccuito with these three easily.

 

[STC]

Hird is the best for me, the things I saw him do even post his prime were always amazing. I have a lot of respect for him despite my hate for Essendon. All three are absolute champions, but I'd probably say Hird>Voss>Buckley.

 

[BlazingDon#9]

All three champions of the game, but for me I have to go with James Hird. Buckley and Voss impacted games just like Hird did, but Hird just had that touch of magic around him. If Essendon were losing by a narrow margin late in the 4th quarter you always had a feeling Hird would come to the rescue and he did on countless occasions.

 

[larson]

Hird>Buckley>>>Voss

 

[Panthera]

Voss = Hird; >>> Buckley

 

[drew_j]

Not this shit again.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Not this shit again.

maybe if people actually contributed to these threads more than simply saying x > y > z

what i have found interesting is that now, compared to older threads on this topic buckley seems to be falling behind hird and voss in bigfooty's view

and i honestly cant understand why. you compare them by stats and buckley is equal if not better. obviously from their playing days i have watched more of bucks than hird and voss, so i cant say that my opinions not biased either...

the only difference to me is that bucks played for the pies, he always had a negative stigma around him from oppo supporters, figjam etc. which is all a myth. id highly recommend his book by the way

and he obviously never won a premiership.

so my question i guess is, in 2002... in one bounce or decision had went differently and collingwood won by 4 points... voss and hird would have 2 premierships and buckley would have 1. nothing else would change. bucks would still have a norm smith by the way

try and think without bias, would this have changed anyones opinion??

in all honesty, defining a champion by premiership success just by looking at the crap players who have achieved this goal and champion players who havent ever tasted it...

 

[ToO]

1) Hird
2) Voss
3) Buckley

 

[Kong]

i don't rate a player that's won a premiership more than one who hasn't. that's a rubbish argument/reason.

 

[Panthera]

i don't rate a player that's won a premiership more than one who hasn't. that's a rubbish argument/reason.

Actually sometimes it's an extremely vaild point:

A players rating MUST go up if he was a major cog in his teams premiership; ala Hird and Voss

Finals are where reputations are made Whomb

 

[Godfrey Jones]

yeh but you cant simply look at whether they have a flag next to their name and make a judgemente

you say finals is where reputations are made, are you implying buckley had a bad finals game/ series?? he won the norm smith for jett's sake...

in fact buckley rarely had a bad game, he is definately the most consistent of the 3. also in my opinion buckley had no weakness to his game.

 

[Kong]

Actually sometimes it's an extremely vaild point:

A players rating MUST go up if he was a major cog in his teams premiership; ala Hird and Voss

Finals are where reputations are made Whomb

yeah, nah.
i agree that reputations are enhanced in finals, absolutely. but a premiership doesn't alter their reputation in my mind at all. buckley was an absolute star in the '02 grand final. because his team fell a few points short makes no difference to his standing. same as judd in '05. are you trying to tell me that despite them playing out of their skins, they should be rated less highly because the team they were playing for didn't play as well as them and lost?
rubbish mate! rubbish!

 

[james_omahoney]

Actually sometimes it's an extremely vaild point:

A players rating MUST go up if he was a major cog in his teams premiership; ala Hird and Voss

Finals are where reputations are made Whomb

Bollocks. It's a team game. If you're swayed by the result of a match that's determined by 44 players then you're mentally ill-equipped I'm afraid.