And yet there were plenty of people opposing it due to cost.
Honestly nothing new would ever be built if society listened to the muppet brigade
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Honestly nothing new would ever be built if society listened to the muppet brigade
Surely slight increase up to 25k wouldn't add that much cost?
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My first thoughts went to Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin. Definitely creates a busy looking surface.
cactuscall
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If Marvel stadium is anything to go by it won't help with the cold. On a cold day or night that place is an absolute ice box with or without the roof closed.
The cold doesn't bother me at all, I'm not a fan of wet or windy football though.
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So only 300,000 Live around Hobart, house prices sky rocket.We are not affordable. We have unaffordable rentals and a low supply. It has gone up 30% in 5 years and shows no sign of slowing down.
We are more expensive than Adelaide, Perth and close to Brisbane.
you are parroting something which was true 5 years ago. It is not now.
inner Hobart house prices, over a million now.
Hobart cracks million-dollar median house price barrier
The median house price of Hobart's innermost suburbs has surpassed $1 million for the first time, with one real estate agent saying seven-figure price tags are on the way to "becoming the new normal" in Tasmania.www.abc.net.au
6,500,000 Live in Victoria and house prices sky rocket too.
There is no such thing as cheap housing here.
Reckon there will be a lot of fans from Victorian clubs popping across for the weekend when their teams play in Hobart.
The Stadium looks fantastic but yeah … 23k ???
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Quotes from lead designer Alastair Richardson today, which address some questions asked itt...
On shadows: “The height of the roof results in a diffused shadow, so you don’t get hard shadows like what you see when the roof is open at Marvel Stadium, or the edge of the MCG on those days. You don’t get a shadow like that at all. So the issue in terms of impact on play is minimised.”
On natural ventilation: “We’re bringing in cold air down the bottom and extracting hot air at the top, essentially.”
On the roof height for cricket: “What we’ve done here is we’ve worked through looking at Hawkeye and ball tracking technology to assess the maximum height that anyone’s hit a ball… then push the roof to 50 metres, which cricket was really happy with, because there’s no instance of anybody hitting a ball 50 metres high.”
On 23k capacity and future expansion (previously stated as 31k and 40k stages): “The gap at the moment between the last row of seats and the roof allows us to bring another annulus of seating around the back of the upper tier and that’s how we achieve the extra capacity.”
On shadows: “The height of the roof results in a diffused shadow, so you don’t get hard shadows like what you see when the roof is open at Marvel Stadium, or the edge of the MCG on those days. You don’t get a shadow like that at all. So the issue in terms of impact on play is minimised.”
On natural ventilation: “We’re bringing in cold air down the bottom and extracting hot air at the top, essentially.”
On the roof height for cricket: “What we’ve done here is we’ve worked through looking at Hawkeye and ball tracking technology to assess the maximum height that anyone’s hit a ball… then push the roof to 50 metres, which cricket was really happy with, because there’s no instance of anybody hitting a ball 50 metres high.”
On 23k capacity and future expansion (previously stated as 31k and 40k stages): “The gap at the moment between the last row of seats and the roof allows us to bring another annulus of seating around the back of the upper tier and that’s how we achieve the extra capacity.”
cactuscall
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The future expansion needs to implemented when its built, in the future from now. 30k minimum!
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Stadium looks fantastic, look forward to flying down to catch a game when my team visits.
Regarding capacity- you’d hope a lot of work would have gone into working out what size stadium to build.
I just wonder whether they arrived at 23k based on what they project crowds to be, or if it is based on what they could afford.
It’s quite likely that Tassie spend their first 5-10 years in the lower half of the ladder. Year one they will probably have heaps of members and good crowds, but not sure how well that will be sustained if they are getting regularly pumped.
Regarding capacity- you’d hope a lot of work would have gone into working out what size stadium to build.
I just wonder whether they arrived at 23k based on what they project crowds to be, or if it is based on what they could afford.
It’s quite likely that Tassie spend their first 5-10 years in the lower half of the ladder. Year one they will probably have heaps of members and good crowds, but not sure how well that will be sustained if they are getting regularly pumped.
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As opposed to the MCG?
The 23k came from the Carter report. They forecast ROI against crowd capacity and graphed it. The graph peaked at 23k capacity, before levelling out at max ROI until about 28k before ROI drops off. They really should have taken the maximum crowd and ROI, not the max ROI and min cost.
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Something about Marvel makes it particularly cold. I think the roof keeps the sun out, and it allows L1 to act like a wind tunnel.
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Not the Carter Report (though that did say "the stadiums in Hobart and Launceston should not be too large because that will undermine the new club's economics"), rather the Capacity Optimisation Analysis by MI Global Partners:
It also suggested somebody would have to pay another ~$30m to add 2,500 seats (therefore ~$90m to get it to 30,000 seats). Not a small problem, since the Tasmanian government have said all along they'd contribute ~$300m and 50% max, which is what they're already at.
But while the 23k starting figure is locked in for seats, there's still a question for the overall capacity, which is something reiterated by Macquarie Point Development Corporation CEO Anne Beach today:
So, 30k is the max if they decide to increase down the track.
About five mins in - is she saying that is will be narrower than the MCG? That would be wise.
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Future-proof it and save some money at the same time and make it 40K.
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$750 million for a 23,000 seat stadium.... That's some real bang for their buck...
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Well Rod Laver arena's capacity is about 15k for concerts
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true, but the larger concerts get shifted to AAMI/Marvel/MCG. what are Tassie's other options for concerts?
The concert dialogue is concerning. Lots of big acts don't play Adelaide, Perth and often Brisbane already and they have big stadiums. Why would they go to Hobart. I feel like this is a selling point that won't be honoured.
You can fit 20k - 25k on the field. Hobart will have a built in stage up one end, so they. Ay even fit more in. Will be 40k for concerts.
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23,000 is 9% of Hobart's population and 4% of Tasmania's. It would be the equivalent of building a 450,000 seat stadium to cater for Melbourne's 5,000,000 population.
I think that I read that the design allows for an upper row of seats to be integrated to make the capacity 40,000 in the future without any structural changes.
Pretty important to make the seats fan friendly rather than go for cavernous at the outset. Looks fantastic to me. Just as long as they never allow Jacqui Lambie and Andrew Wilkie to never attend the stadium.
I think that I read that the design allows for an upper row of seats to be integrated to make the capacity 40,000 in the future without any structural changes.
Pretty important to make the seats fan friendly rather than go for cavernous at the outset. Looks fantastic to me. Just as long as they never allow Jacqui Lambie and Andrew Wilkie to never attend the stadium.
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