Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[magpie_marty]

Lets ban fu**-wits who can't tell the difference between a societal need (eating) and abusing for the fun of it!!

Fox hunting and Duck shooting should be included.

 

[Seeds]

Horse racing is an ancient sport. Its origins date back to about 4500 BC among the nomadic tribesmen of Central Asia (who first domesticated the horse). Since then, horse racing has flourished as the sport of kings.

There are no more kings. So who are the horses racing for now?

 

[magpie_marty]

There are no more kings. So who are the horses racing for now?

Great ?

 

[RobbieK]

I would question that. Meditation is the equivalent to death that you can wake up from. I dont see any benefit other then stress relief.

That's a strange understanding of what meditation is.

 

[Shai]

Once again, racing is brought into the spotlight. As many sports are, when it suits.

The so called 'conservation/protection' mouths are only feeding their own agenda.

How many of the people agitating are actually supporting endangered species.?

Maybe the breeding industry needs to acknowledge their greed and pay the dues.

I would be devastated to know a horse I nurtured went through the trauma shown by the ABC but realise they will sensationalise to sell 'their product'.

 

[Seeds]

That's a strange understanding of what meditation is.

Meditation certainly isnt living. Its withdrawing from life.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Could they ban any breeding for say 5 years or something?

Allow numbers to naturally decline.

Have the same horses run for more than 1-2 years then say as they reach 6-7 then breed (1-2 foals max)

Might make better trainers rather than quantity over quality.



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They just need to make breeders accountable. It’s simple, really. The horse gets branded and registered at birth. The breeder is responsible for tracking it throughout its life and homing it, free of charge, if nobody else will.

If there’s one thing we have in Australia, it’s ****ing space.

Then unbranded / unregistered horses can’t race on Australian tracks.

It’ll sort itself naturally from there.

They’re the ones making the decision to bring the horse into the world and they’re doing it for monetary gain. So they can have the responsibility.

Or, a system which passes that responsibility with sale.

The problem is, of course, it would need to be enshrined in law. Can you see that happening? Imagine if they then put the same rules on the pet industry.

 

[RobbieK]

Meditation certainly isnt living. Its withdrawing from life.

Have you ever practiced meditation?

 

[Bollox]

Oh no.
Do you mean to say lots of failed gg's bred for the track end up pet food at the knackers ?
Well i'm shocked.
Personally, if I drop a bundle on a horse I wish for the same end to the jockey as well. Anyone care what happens to failed jockeys ? You never hear from them. Maybe its a scandal in the making.

Cant wait for the pet lovers tears over the RSPCA putting down thousands of cats and dogs each month that were bred just for them.

Wish I could head home this weekend and do some shooting. Always fun and important time at the moment. Unfortunately got a date with some kingfish tomorrow, and a sisters birthday party on Sunday. Thought you'd like to know. Much rather be slaughtering foxes and rabbits. Its a damn shame how they quiver and kick their back legs sometimes. Makes me cry.

 

[rank and file]

There are no more kings. So who are the horses racing for now?

The people.

 

[Seeds]

That's a strange understanding of what meditation is.

Meditation is about taming the brains emotional response.

Conscious life is about emotions. The good emotions is the only thing that makes life rewarding. Meditation helps tame the bad and that is obviously a good thing. But it is also a withdrawel from the good emotions.

Thus meditation is a withdrawel from life. The good and the bad. Sometimes very useful during the stressful and anxious times but its not life.

 

[RobbieK]

Meditation is about taming the brains emotional response.

Conscious life is about emotions. The good emotions is the only thing that makes life rewarding. Meditation helps tame the bad and that is obviously a good thing. But it is also a withdrawel from the good emotions.

Thus meditation is a withdrawel from life. The good and the bad. Sometimes very useful during the stressful and anxious times but its not life.

As someone who has meditated for years and is in the process of training to teach meditation to others, I think you have a very warped idea of what meditation is, how one practices it and what it leads to. This is super off topic, so I won't keep pushing this, but I would definitely encourage you to have an open mind and explore meditation again. I think it would offer you an ultimately more satisfying and persistant response to life's stresses than alcohol.

 

[Lethality]

 

[Lethality]

As someone who has meditated for years and is in the process of training to teach meditation to others, I think you have a very warped idea of what meditation is, how one practices it and what it leads to. This is super off topic, so I won't keep pushing this, but I would definitely encourage you to have an open mind and explore meditation again. I think it would offer you an ultimately more satisfying and persistant response to life's stresses than alcohol.

I find it hard to meditate, once I'm in the zone it's great, but I can't get motivated to begin.

 

[Ron The Bear]

There are no more kings. So who are the horses racing for now?

The Queen is a prominent owner. And before her, the Queen Mother.

 

[Gough]

I preferred the initial 97 Grand National, IRA 1, blood sport enthusiasts nil.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I preferred the initial 97 Grand National, IRA 1, blood sport enthusiasts nil.

Three cheers for the IRA.

R.I.P. Shergar

 

[Gough]

Three cheers for the IRA.

R.I.P. Shergar

Meh, they nailed Mountbatten which was a lot of fun.

 

[Seeds]

As someone who has meditated for years and is in the process of training to teach meditation to others, I think you have a very warped idea of what meditation is, how one practices it and what it leads to. This is super off topic, so I won't keep pushing this, but I would definitely encourage you to have an open mind and explore meditation again. I think it would offer you an ultimately more satisfying and persistant response to life's stresses than alcohol.

Im not questioning that it helps deal with stress. The evidence is clearly in that it does.

 

[Deliverance]

Meditation is about taming the brains emotional response.

Conscious life is about emotions. The good emotions is the only thing that makes life rewarding. Meditation helps tame the bad and that is obviously a good thing. But it is also a withdrawel from the good emotions.

Thus meditation is a withdrawel from life. The good and the bad. Sometimes very useful during the stressful and anxious times but its not life.

Conscious life is also about memories of the past and imaginings of the future, both of which are intrinsically linked.
Meditation improves memory.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

It reduces inhibitions against violence and child abuse

Yeh maybe for those predisposed to that sort of thing.
Most people drink and are quite relaxed, more positive, tolerant and happy.

Maybe like driving you need a license to drink.

 

[Tandy]

I'd like to see the industry ban the whip. Just watched Black Heart Bart get the shit whipped out of him, wasn't great.
Not a huge fan of racing and think it's all somewhat cruel but in saying that I just placed a bet on Black Heart Bart and lost so I'm a hypocrite in some ways. I do like the stories of specific horses and their journey's, the ones that end well....

 

[sprockets]

Good post. These events depend on the animal's anxiety. Horses will occasionally canter around playfully in nature, but they generally spend almost their entire waking life grazing, as stated.

I will say that some breeds of dog can prefer to be active, e.g. most working breeds, but that's due to centuries of artificial selection by humans. Now city people buy border collies and wonder why the animal is completely neurotic not living on a farm or having a job to do. Ironically, greyhounds are some of the laziest MFers out there when given the choice.

Most of the time. My two retirees and every other greyhound I've owned have LOVED to run flat out often (at least once a day) up to racing age and years beyond. Yes they like to laze around for MOST of the day, but not all day. My 8.5yo still wants to go bush and chase kangaroos and bunnies and her 13.5yo mother wants to chase her, but is too old and slow to run more than 100m at cantering pace before deciding it's a bad idea.

As for racing, there's no excuse for cruelty anywhere and horses aren't the natural (flat out) runners that greyhounds are but there's nothing morally wrong with them being used for food afterwards.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Given the police force sometimes uses ex-racehorses, hopefully none of the naysayers were among the climate change activists arrested this morning for assaulting a police horse.

 

[woota]

Given the police force sometimes uses ex-racehorses, hopefully none of the naysayers were among the climate change activists arrested this morning for assaulting a police horse.

They deserve to be tortured IMO