Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[Bunk Moreland]

The best article you’ll read on the wastage issue

Horse wastage - breeders, you can fix this - RSN927

www.rsn.net.au

Breeders are paid by the foal so they pump them out. Until they’re made financially responsible for wastage, nothing will change.

 

[woota]

The best article you’ll read on the wastage issue

Horse wastage - breeders, you can fix this - RSN927

www.rsn.net.au

Breeders are paid by the foal so they pump them out. Until they’re made financially responsible for wastage, nothing will change.

I started reading the article and I couldn't make it to the end, for the same reason I didn't watch the footage on the 7:30 report - I know it'll serve to do nothing but make me angry and there's nothing i can do to stop it

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I started reading the article and I couldn't make it to the end, for the same reason I didn't watch the footage on the 7:30 report - I know it'll serve to do nothing but make me angry and there's nothing i can do to stop it

The sad thing is that many in the racing industry cop it for this stuff when the vast majority of them are responsible animal lovers who do the right thing.

They’re the public face of racing so in the crosshairs.

Behind the scenes, pulling the strings, making the money, are the breeders. John Messara. Alan Jones.

Follow the money.

If they were made legally and/or financially responsible, the issue would end immediately.

 

[RobbieK]

The sad thing is that many in the racing industry cop it for this stuff when the vast majority of them are responsible animal lovers who do the right thing.

They’re the public face of racing so in the crosshairs.

Behind the scenes, pulling the strings, making the money, are the breeders. John Messara. Alan Jones.

Follow the money.

If they were made legally and/or financially responsible, the issue would end immediately.

The wastage is structurally necessary to the industry. Do you think the industry is viable without it? What does it do for someone's animal lover credentials when they participate in an industry that is inseperable from this shameful, industrialised overbreeding and animal destruction?

 

[Leeda]

perhaps there is a substantial allowance for loss in the game of racing...
but perhaps this is a time of getting rid of the sharks and the obnoxious breeders and racers who don't
really care in the end.. you will always get found out.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The wastage is structurally necessary to the industry. Do you think the industry is viable without it? What does it do for someone's animal lover credentials when they participate in an industry that is inseperable from this shameful, industrialised overbreeding and animal destruction?

Of course the racing industry is viable without the current level of wastage.

Far more horses are bred than ever even make it to the racetrack. They’re not required, they’re just pumped out to make money for the breeder.

 

[RobbieK]

Of course the racing industry is viable without the current level of wastage.

Far more horses are bred than ever even make it to the racetrack. They’re not required, they’re just pumped out to make money for the breeder.

Far more horses are bred than ever make it to the track because in order to find horses fast enough to be successful on the race track you need to breed significantly more than the number that will ever make it to the track. I think that is inescapable and so I don't see how you can have a racing industry without wastage. This isn't just about unscrupulous breeders trying to make more money.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Far more horses are bred than ever make it to the track because in order to find horses fast enough to be successful on the race track you need to breed significantly more than the number that will ever make it to the track.

Exactly right. Think of the racehorse population as a pyramid, with Winx at the top and the lowliest maidens and those too slow to get to the track at the bottom. The pyramid broadens as you go down, with many more low-class animals than stars (same as any other sport). You can't simply lop off the lowest layer of the pyramid because for every blueblood champ there's one from relatively humble origins.

I guess you could enforce a minimum standard for breeding animals and reduce production that way, but it would push yearling prices up and force small owners (whom vastly outnumber rich ones) out of the sport and reduce it to an elitist hobby.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Far more horses are bred than ever make it to the track because in order to find horses fast enough to be successful on the race track you need to breed significantly more than the number that will ever make it to the track. I think that is inescapable and so I don't see how you can have a racing industry without wastage. This isn't just about unscrupulous breeders trying to make more money.

That’s not how it works at all. There is statistical deviation of course, but breeders know what they are producing. That’s why some yearlings cost $1million and others cost $2,000. They don’t all pop out and then they “find” who the quality ones are.

If there are minimum standards for breeding, there are less stallions and broodmares and less horses produced. And because they’re minimum standards, it’s not the quality horses that are removed from the population at all.

It’s precisely what the article is saying. You should read it. I guarantee you Mick Kent knows horses.

Our breed is worse than it was 20 years ago, relatively. Because we breed for quantity, not quality. European and Japanese horses have gone past us at a rate of knots. They’ve removed weak genes from their population, we’ve spread them.

 

[Ron The Bear]

That’s not how it works at all. There is statistical deviation of course, but breeders know what they are producing. That’s why some yearlings cost $1million and others cost $2,000. They don’t all pop out and then they “find” who the quality ones are.

Sorry but that is nonsense. Top bloodlines improve your chances of getting a good one, is all. Vo Rogue, Redelva, Stylish Century, Better Loosen Up, Campaign King, Sydeston are examples of top horses from the same era that were unfashionably bred.

Tulloch was a swayback nobody wanted, Dulcify had a parrot nose and won his first start at 200/1. Sometimes there’s just no picking ‘em, and when and why class re-emerges through a distant ancestor is a mystery.

I can’t recall the names of the expensive duds. Maybe look up Paint The Stars.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Our breed is worse than it was 20 years ago, relatively. Because we breed for quantity, not quality. European and Japanese horses have gone past us at a rate of knots. They’ve removed weak genes from their population, we’ve spread them.

What has happened here is that we've acquired the American obsession with speed. Why pay for upkeep until the age of four or five before you find out whether you have a horse, when there is so much good money around (supplemented by breeders' bonuses) in 2yo racing? New Zealand racing is in the toilet as a result of the 25% commission removed from the all-tote wagering system before payout (perhaps it's more than 25% now).

The Europeans have finally worked out what type of horse to bring and how to prepare them for our racing, and are plundering our spring staying riches. They have essentially taken the place of the Kiwis. The concerns first voiced by Bart Cummings in the wake of Vintage Crop's success are now borne out in full, albeit a quarter century later. But our sprinters are competitive on the world stage.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Sorry but that is nonsense. Top bloodlines improve your chances of getting a good one, is all. Vo Rogue, Redelva, Stylish Century, Better Loosen Up, Campaign King, Sydeston are examples of top horses from the same era that were unfashionably bred.

Tulloch was a swayback nobody wanted, Dulcify had a parrot nose and won his first start at 200/1. Sometimes there’s just no picking ‘em, and when and why class re-emerges through a distant ancestor is a mystery.

I can’t recall the names of the expensive duds. Maybe look up Paint The Stars.

Yes, the entire science of equine breeding is “nonsense” because you can name a few deviations from the mean and genetic freaks.

These are natural laws, they don’t follow a 100% straight line 100% of the time. But over time and population the trends hold true. Fitter, stronger and sounder horses produce fitter, stronger and sounder offspring.

The simple fact is we breed too many thoroughbreds, and if you’re going to reduce that then you remove those that aren’t as sound. Doing otherwise would be moronic and no breeder will do it anyway, whether you give them the chance to choose or you simply take away the option to breed from poor stock. The result will be the same.

They breed too many because they can sell them before they’ve failed and then it’s no longer their problem. Money in the pocket, move on to the next crop. It’s basic rational economics. So somebody needs to step in.

 

[Fat Yak]

Well the w***ers are targeting celebrities who attend the Melbourne cup https://horseracingkills.com/nuptocup/ Look at at the logo, looks like a ANTIFA logo.
I don't have any interest in racing but this year, for the first time I'm going to have the day off and go to Ascot Racecourse as a **** you ya un Australia campaigners

 

[Lethality]

Well the w***ers are targeting celebrities who attend the Melbourne cup https://horseracingkills.com/nuptocup/ Look at at the logo, looks like a ANTIFA logo.
I don't have any interest in racing but this year, for the first time I'm going to have the day off and go to Ascot Racecourse as a fu** you ya un Australia campaigners

The logo's just an outline of a horse. The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses doesn't have any history of vandalism or violence like ANTIFA.

I'm glad Megan Gale isn't attending, it sends a message that this industry and its practices are no longer acceptable. Hopefully some of the AFL figures follow suit and also pull out.

 

[RobbieK]

Well the w***ers are targeting celebrities who attend the Melbourne cup https://horseracingkills.com/nuptocup/ Look at at the logo, looks like a ANTIFA logo.
I don't have any interest in racing but this year, for the first time I'm going to have the day off and go to Ascot Racecourse as a fu** you ya un Australia campaigners

Yes, clearly those protesting animal cruelty are the w***ers in this story...

 

[Chief]

Looks like Racing NSW has been telling porkies and they knew about the slaughter of thoroughbreds. When the body in charge of racing can't enforce their own rules and regs; how is anybody to have faith in the integrity of the business?

These state racing authorities are dodgy AF.

I was surprised to find that Racing Queensland employees are allowed to gamble on horses. And they do. A lot.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I'm glad Megan Gale isn't attending, it sends a message that this industry and its practices are no longer acceptable. Hopefully some of the AFL figures follow suit and also pull out.

Are you OK with other horse breeds going to the knackery, or just not thoroughbreds? A similar proportion of the standardbred (trotters) population ends up there. Don't forget to swing past Melton after you're done protesting at Flemington.

Together these ex-racehorses comprise about half of all animals that end up at the slaughterhouse. Arabians, stock horses, ponies, donkeys... feral horses are sought after by overseas markets for human consumption (but not domesticated animals).

 

[Lebbo73]

The logo's just an outline of a horse. The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses doesn't have any history of vandalism or violence like ANTIFA.

I'm glad Megan Gale isn't attending, it sends a message that this industry and its practices are no longer acceptable. Hopefully some of the AFL figures follow suit and also pull out.

It’s unusual for a good quality mare to miss the Spring Carnival.

 

[Lethality]

Are you OK with other horse breeds going to the knackery, or just not thoroughbreds?

I think the problem is animals being killed for our entertainment. We don't accept it in other industries such as the movies, or circuses.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I think the problem is animals being killed for our entertainment. We don't accept it in other industries such as the movies, or circuses.

bullfighting?
fishing?
hunting? (fox, pig, duck)

How about showjumping? A horse doesn't naturally jump over anything it can get around.

Be consistent here, lefties. Don't just attack our public holidays.

 

[RobbieK]

bullfighting?
fishing?
hunting? (fox, pig, duck)

How about showjumping? A horse doesn't naturally jump over anything it can get around.

Be consistent here, lefties. Don't just attack our public holidays.

If happily see them all ended.

 

[Lethality]

bullfighting?
fishing?
hunting? (fox, pig, duck)

How about showjumping? A horse doesn't naturally jump over anything it can get around.

Be consistent here, lefties. Don't just attack our public holidays.

There are showjumping protests,although I'm not sure if they are hurt at the same rates as in racing, or if they're hurt at all.
We don't have bullfighting here, and there are protests against it even in Spain.
There's protests against duck hunting in Victoria every year.

 

[Ron The Bear]

There are showjumping protests,although I'm not sure if they are hurt at the same rates as in racing, or if they're hurt at all.

Isn't it cruel to force a horse to do something it isn't naturally inclined to do?

 

[Lethality]

Isn't it cruel to force a horse to do something it isn't naturally inclined to do?

As long as the horses aren't hurt, I wouldn't personally have a problem with it. Jumping and cantering are within a horses normal range of activities.

 

[Ron The Bear]

As long as the horses aren't hurt, I wouldn't personally have a problem with it. Jumping and cantering are within a horses normal range of activities.

As stated above, jumping isn't.

Horses can and do get hurt in eventing.

Equestrian Eventing: The Olympics’ Most Dangerous Sport?