Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[faible]

Ever seen a horse lose the jockey? They keep running. Seen a horse in a field or in a group? This breed of domesticated horse has been ridden for thousands of years. The alternate choice is to never be born because nobody could afford to keep them. Horses choose to run, anyone who's ridden a horse could tell you that.

So the question is:
10,000 horses Racing, well looked after, then pet food.
10,000 horses Never existed.

The fact that we use horse meat to feed domesticated dogs is evidence of a circular economy. If they were buried like humans (many are) would that be better? The dogs eating the meat are the bigger problem than the horses which provide it.

Losing a jockey and still running is also a sign of what they've been trained to do, without question or choice.

It's a very bad effort on your behalf here.

 

[Saint]

Losing a jockey and still running is also a sign of what they've been trained to do, without question or choice.

It's a very bad effort on your behalf here.

Didn't think I'd need to explain that horses run in the wild and prior to being trained.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Didn't think I'd need to explain that horses run in the wild and prior to being trained.

Do they also have humans sit on them and whip them in the wild?

 

[Goroyals22]

It's animal cruelty. And here you are justifying it.

Are you also looking at equestrian being shut down as I believe the stats on horse deaths are worse than racing??

Perhaps you just want the whole horse breed discontinued as there is no need for them in the world.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Are you also looking at equestrian being shut down as I believe the stats on horse deaths are worse than racing??

Yes

 

[Seeds]

Forget horse cruelty. Horse racing is just a highly inefficient way to gamble. It wastes so much of societies resources that can be put to more productive benefits. We can gamble over sport now instead.

 

[Seeds]

Yes

So im guessing you think these horses suffer more then they experience joy and therefore wouod be happier to not ever be born?

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

So im guessing you think these horses suffer more then they experience joy and therefore wouod be happier to not ever be born?

Horses should not be bred for animal cruelty purposes

 

[Lethality]

So the question is:
10,000 horses Racing, well looked after, then pet food.
10,000 horses Never existed.

Animal welfare consensus is that fewer existing animals is a good thing if they are not going to be taken care of, or if they destroy the environment. That's why we neuter our pets.

Some of this even applies to humans.

 

[ElectricG]

I said yup to the cup

 

[Seeds]

Horses should not be bred for animal cruelty purposes

its also cruel to deny a life that will have net positive happiness.

if these horses were taken from the wild it would be a completely different determination. But they are bred and feed and sheltered to fuel a human purpose. Now if there lives were miserable and experienced more discomfort then pleasure (which may well be true) then i would agree they are better off not born. But if not and their life overall has net positive emotional experience then the crueller option is to deny them their existence and ban horse racing.

 

[Lethality]

its also cruel to deny a life that will have net positive happiness.

Does that mean condoms are evil?

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

I said yup to the cup

So brave

 

[Goroyals22]

Horses should not be bred for animal cruelty purposes

Does the same apply to people breeding in third world countries or under resourced countries???

Whats the definition of cruelty? Pulling a wagon full of produce could be considered cruel by some so that should also be outlawed and these horses would be loved a whole lot less than race horses.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

its also cruel to deny a life that will have net positive happiness.

if these horses were taken from the wild it would be a completely different determination. But they are bred and feed and sheltered to fuel a human purpose. Now if there lives were miserable and experienced more discomfort then pleasure (which may well be true) then i would agree they are better off not born. But if not and their life overall has net positive emotional experience then the crueller option is to deny them their existence and ban horse racing.

It is cruel to breed them into existence for the purpose of animal cruelty. It's a non-argument to claim it is cruel to not breed them, as they don't exist. You can't harm something that doesn't exist.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Does the same apply to people breeding in third world countries or under resourced countries???

Whats the definition of cruelty? Pulling a wagon full of produce could be considered cruel by some so that should also be outlawed and these horses would be loved a whole lot less than race horses.

That's a false equivalence.

 

[Saint]

It is cruel to breed them into existence for the purpose of animal cruelty. It's a non-argument to claim it is cruel to not breed them, as they don't exist. You can't harm something that doesn't exist.

The people who breed horses don't consider it cruel. That's a debatable point that their overall existence of relatively extreme pampering for 99% of their lives is outweighed by physical exertion (and whipping) on a raceday.

The purpose is racing, not animal cruelty. If the spectacle was ****-fighting, then that would be different, but the purpose is racing, not cruelty.

 

[Marcel Proust]

The thoroughbred exists to run. Literally. It is the culmination of hundreds of years of selective breeding geared towards evolving an animal that runs ever faster. Turn on the TV tomorrow and watch the topweight nuzzling the neck of the clerk's horse on the way to the stalls. It knows it is about to race and is saying "Hurry up, get on with it!".
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It's been part and parcel of racing for more than 250 years. Why is it that you lot want to discard everything and start again? All you know is interfering and ******* destroying. Useless campaigners.

Breeders (i.e. purists) generally have no concern for the welfare of punters. They are merely collateral damage that must occur so that their pastime can exist. Call it elitism if you will, and you'd be partly correct.

Yeah. Surely it's more cruel to not have the thing exist at all?

RIP comrade

 

[Marcel Proust]

It is cruel to breed them into existence for the purpose of animal cruelty. It's a non-argument to claim it is cruel to not breed them, as they don't exist. You can't harm something that doesn't exist.

You don't think it enjoys being alive?

 

[faible]

Didn't think I'd need to explain that horses run in the wild and prior to being trained.

They run around race tracks until they collapse in the wild whilst being whipped for entertainment?

Who knew.

For someone who's trying to take a position of knowledge, you're demonstrating very clearly you've got no idea.

Horses have no choice in when, how far, or how hard then run when they're put on a track, whipped by a jockey, trained to run to exhaustion and very often doped up to do so.

Pretending that because in the wild they sometimes run is somehow the same is, at best, stupid.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

You don't think it enjoys being alive?

You are appealing to emotions of something that does not exist. They are being bred for the sole purpose of human exploitation. Just look at the way they are bred, hand breeding and artificial insemination.

 

[Marcel Proust]

You are appealing to emotions of something that does not exist. They are being bred for the sole purpose of human exploitation. Just look at the way they are bred, hand breeding and artificial insemination.

But they do exist lol.

You are complaining about them.

You don't think the animal enjoys walking shagging eating etc?

Is it really better to not allow life

 

[Saint]

They run around race tracks until they collapse in the wild whilst being whipped for entertainment?

Who knew.

For someone who's trying to take a position of knowledge, you're demonstrating very clearly you've got no idea.

Horses have no choice in when, how far, or how hard then run when they're put on a track, whipped by a jockey, trained to run to exhaustion and very often doped up to do so.

Pretending that because in the wild they sometimes run is somehow the same is, at best, stupid.

You're mis-representing the racing. They're not run until the point of collapse at all any more than a human going for a run runs themselves "until they collapse".

The truth is that you don't know if the horses enjoy it or not. You just hope they don't because it makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[faible]

You're mis-representing the racing. They're not run until the point of collapse at all any more than a human going for a run runs themselves "until they collapse".

Humans sometimes run themselves until the point of collapse. They don't usually have someone whipping them whilst they choose to do that or not though. Something you keep missing.

The truth is that you don't know if the horses enjoy it or not. You just hope they don't because it makes you feel better about yourself.

Strange line of argument to run with. I'm sure those BDSM loving horses don't mind being whipped a little.

Face it. You have little-to-nothing to actually make an argument with so you're relying on entirely fabricated arguments because you happen to like one or more of; watching horse racing, gambling on horse racing, getting dressed up to go and get hammered at the races.

 

[ElectricG]

These horsies don’t exist in the wild