Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[4cunningTonneTruck]

It is not denying life to abstain from artificially breeding a horse for the sole purpose of human exploitation and animal cruelty. Just like a human is not denying a life by choosing to not conceive a child. You are making arguments trying to appeal to emotions of something that does not exist. The amount of mental gymnastics in here is mindboggling to try and justify a barbaric sport where the participants are not able to consent.

 

[Marcel Proust]

It is not denying life to abstain from artificially breeding a horse for the sole purpose of human exploitation and animal cruelty. Just like a human is not denying a life by choosing to not conceive a child. You are making arguments trying to appeal to emotions of something that does not exist. The amount of mental gymnastics in here is mindboggling to try and justify a barbaric sport where the participants are not able to consent.

Humans would exist either way.

Race horses as a type of animal wouldn't exist at all which feels cruel of you and your lobby group

 

[faible]

Race horses as a type of animal wouldn't exist at all which feels cruel of you and your lobby group

It's cruel to not selectively breed animals specifically for human entertainment and exploitation?

 

[Marcel Proust]

It's cruel to not selectively breed animals specifically for human entertainment and exploitation?

I feel the world would be poorer without the mighty Thoroughbreds.

It may not be logically sound but in reality these things exist and by and large seem happy. Why deny them that

 

[FRUMPY]

It's cruel to not selectively breed animals specifically for human entertainment and exploitation?

dogs?

 

[faible]

dogs?

There's certainly an element of cruelty and selfishness to that, yes. Even moreso where breeds / traits have been bred that compromise the health of the animal e.g. pugs / dachshunds.

 

[faible]

It may not be logically sound

It isn't.

 

[Marcel Proust]

It isn't.

And yet do you agree race horses exist?

And they seem to enjoy living?

 

[faible]

And yet do you agree race horses exist?

And they seem to enjoy living?

This poor attempt at an argument has already been responded to.

You are appealing to emotions of something that does not exist.

 

[FRUMPY]

are people just against horse racing or horses being domesticated at all? is owning and riding horses in your paddock ok? if so, why?

 

[sherb]

And yet do you agree race horses exist?

And they seem to enjoy living?

If that is your argument, then surely you can see how people object to them being sent to slaughter. Or do race horses enjoy that too?

 

[Marcel Proust]

This poor attempt at an argument has already been responded to.

But it does exist bro.

And they are majestic af

 

[faible]

But it does exist bro

The poor argument you're making? It does exist, yes. It's still a poor argument though Marcel.

One day you'll surprise us by whipping up something that's actually clever. Today's not that day.

 

[Saint]

If that is your argument, then surely you can see how people object to them being sent to slaughter. Or do race horses enjoy that too?

Do you know that horses are conscious of death?

I think most studies show that animals are not really aware of death. Even humans, who definitely know it's coming, spend most of their lives pretending it's not.

Nobody loves horses more than people in the horse breeding industry. It seems the people outside the industry who want the industry banned are the ones who don't really appreciate the majesty of a thoroughbred and want them abolished from existence.

 

[faible]

Do you know that horses are conscious of death?

I think most studies show that animals are not really aware of death. Even humans, who definitely know it's coming, spend most of their lives pretending it's not.

Nobody loves horses more than people in the horse breeding industry. It seems the people outside the industry who want the industry banned are the ones who don't really appreciate the majesty of a thoroughbred and want them abolished from existence.

None of which relates to horse racing being an industry that exploits the lives of horses for profit....

At least now you're simply accepting that killing horses is OK. Your argument has moved on to them not being aware of dying so it's fine.

 

[Gough]

We should ban gambling on horse racing and then we can see how popular the "sport" really is.

 

[Saint]

None of which relates to horse racing being an industry that exploits the lives of horses for profit....

At least now you're simply accepting that killing horses is OK. Your argument has moved on to them not being aware of dying so it's fine.

Yes. I wouldn't eat meat, if I didn't think killing animals was ok.

 

[faible]

Yes. I wouldn't eat meat, if I didn't think killing animals was ok.

Nice that you're finally clear about it at least, instead of making up a whole bunch of spurious arguments.

 

[sherb]

Do you know that horses are conscious of death?

I think most studies show that animals are not really aware of death. Even humans, who definitely know it's coming, spend most of their lives pretending it's not.

Nobody loves horses more than people in the horse breeding industry. It seems the people outside the industry who want the industry banned are the ones who don't really appreciate the majesty of a thoroughbred and want them abolished from existence.

The point I was making was that if the horses enjoy living, then surely it is cruel to deprive them of that. Whether they are aware of death or not is irrelevant.

Unfortunately I have seen footage of horses being slaughtered at abattoirs, and I can tell you - they don't want to die. They want to live - you know, that thing that Marcel Proust says that they enjoy so much.

But here you are implying - "it's okay to slaughter them depriving them of their lives because they are not conscious of death". What a pissweak argument.

And as for the bolded, how can supposed horse lovers send them off to slaughter if they love them so much? The answer of course is that for many in the industry, the "love" only exists whilst the horse is a potential money maker. Once that capacity goes, the usefulness of, and "love" for, the horse goes with it.

You are putting your fingers in your ears, going "na na na na na" pretending the cruelty doesn't happen. Of if it does, you are cool with it. Either way, you aren't painting yourself in a good light.

 

[Carn The Berries]

That's a false equivalence.

Why is is a false equivalence? The same could be said for dogs that are bred to be working dogs. They don't get a say in it, and can be exposed to dangerous situations, which lead to injury or death.

 

[sherb]

There's a dark reality hidden behind the 'glamour' of horse racing

For the horses forced to race, there's much more than money at stake...

animalsaustralia.org

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

For the record, more and more evidence is showing animals have some awareness of death and even grieve

 

[Seeds]

Does that mean condoms are evil?

The quality of life is much higher in societies with high condom use Although population growth is lower. This is a question without an obvious answer based on the information we have at hand.

 

[Seeds]

For the record, more and more evidence is showing animals have some awareness of death and even grieve

They also have positive emotions too. You need to look at both. Humans also grieve.

 

[the_interloper]

For the record, more and more evidence is showing animals have some awareness of death and even grieve

Do you have any links relating to this?