Toast How can this Melbourne side be stopped?

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If we learned anything from 2022 - this Melbourne team won't lose twice a season to the same team. If they learn from this win it might not be so bad. I do feel they are too May centric, so need to shore up defence..Freo just went beserk, full credit to them, but next time they meet expect Melbourne to come out breathing fire.
 
Falcon3518 said:
I’ve given you everything available so we don’t go back and forth idk what else you want me to do. Even if the stats you are citing are elite (which you haven’t even given) do you think this makes up for all the other poor ones? I don’t think so. What’s happening here is that you are overrating a player because he plays for your team simple. I on the other hand am objective and use stats to back me up, I can also say players in my team are duds and need to be delisted like castanga, aarts, Parker and edwards, Cotchin, lambert need to retire because they are barely AFL standard now.
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yea, im done mate, tapping out, you've beaten me to death with irrelevant stats and a lack of knowledge, sick of slamming my head against the wall, enjoy your victory.
 

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markm106 said:
What do you think we can just win every single game. Like Richmond did in their premiership years? They didn’t lose any games did they?

I just proved we could win with losing May during the game. Doesn’t mean it’s going to happen every time.
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Why are you going to the extreme? You guys are still favourites. All I’m doing is pointing out your flaws and why I think you won’t win it. You guys don’t like it and whinge. Given the topic of this thread it’s actually pretty unreal that you guys are reacting this way. Everybody seems to just want to nod their heads in agreement saying they are unstoppable and another flag is a 99% chance of happening. I mean really every comment you guys have made to me is just to personally insult me. Not one of you have said hey maybe you are right about this part even though I’ve given heaps of examples.
 
PhatBoy said:
Oh yes sorry I forgot that to have ‘elite depth’ you have to have someone on the bench who can be top 5 in the competition for any position they play.
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They should be able to cover 1-2 injuries mid game and win when they are nearly 40 points up especially when they are flag favourites and have “elite depth”, yes?
 
Falcon3518 said:
They should be able to cover 1-2 injuries mid game and win when they are nearly 40 points up especially when they are flag favourites and have “elite depth”, yes?
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Right so if your side couldn’t cover Martin, or Riewoldt before Lynch arrived, it would mean you have no depth?

If West Coast’s flag side had no one as good as McGovern they would have no depth?

Depth isn’t having two full sides of players who are all as good as each other and the way you are arguing makes it sound like that’s exactly what depth is. That’s why everyone is tearing strips off you.
 
markm106 said:
Whilst I think they have the team they don’t always turn up come September. But things can change.
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I think that's the point of his Port 2004 reference.
 
PhatBoy said:
Right so if your side couldn’t cover Martin, or Riewoldt before Lynch arrived, it would mean you have no depth?

If West Coast’s flag side had no one as good as McGovern they would have no depth?

Depth isn’t having two full sides of players who are all as good as each other and the way you are arguing makes it sound like that’s exactly what depth is. That’s why everyone is tearing strips off you.
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40 points up? Then yes. I don’t think our depth was that great either. We had enough to cover the role players. What helped us cover the injuries was the actual players like grimes, Prestia and Dusty stepping up and taking the load. They were very durable and did not get injured much at all. If any of those guys went down as well he wouldn’t have won some flags.
We’ll see if lever and the defence steps up without May. So far it’s a no but they can change that.
 
Falcon3518 said:
40 points up? Then yes. I don’t think our depth was that great either. We had enough to cover the role players. What helped us cover the injuries was the actual players like grimes, Prestia and Dusty stepping up and taking the load. They were very durable and did not get injured much at all. If any of those guys went down as well he wouldn’t have won some flags.
We’ll see if lever and the defence steps up without May. So far it’s a no but they can change that.
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Then give them the chance to do that before writing them off.
 

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Falcon3518 said:
Cmon man am I being that unreasonable? I think the Dees will lose in a prelim or GF and still be minor premiers. My opinion isn’t that far off yours ffs and it annoys you that much, Geez.
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I'm genuinely not bothered by your opinion, my dear friend. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that Melbourne will lose in a preliminary or grand final. We might even miss the top four despite going 10-0, for all we know. I think it's fair to say at this stage Melbourne is more likely not to win the premiership in 2022 than to win it.

But the past several pages about squad depth and whatnot based on one game seems a bit of overkill, and it's unnecessarily dominating the thread in my view. I think the reality is that Fremantle completely outplayed Melbourne on the weekend and were deserving winners. They're clearly a very good team and they were much better than we were.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I actually really enjoyed the game on the weekend. As I posted at the time, the third quarter was just something else from Fremantle. And their crowd was awesome.
 
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PhatBoy said:
So are we all in agreeance? Melbourne’s really unique Achilles heel which is very much only a problem for them and no other teams, is what happens to them when their structurally most or second most important player gets injured in-game and they don’t have a sub that plays that exact position.

That’s a good starting point for all opponents to work with
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Think you would’ve won if May stayed out there ?


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Headless said:
I'm genuinely not bothered by your opinion, my dear friend. I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that Melbourne will lose in a preliminary or grand final. We might even miss the top four despite going 10-0, for all we know. I think it's fair to say at this stage Melbourne is more likely not to win the premiership in 2022 than to win it.

But the past several pages about squad depth and whatnot based on one game seems a bit of overkill, and it's unnecessarily dominating the thread in my view. I think the reality is that Fremantle completely outplayed Melbourne on the weekend and were deserving winners. They're clearly a very good team and they were much better than we were.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I actually really enjoyed the game on the weekend. As I posted at the time, the third quarter was just something else from Fremantle. And their crowd was awesome.
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Ok I’ll leave the depth thing then, i was just saying it because some guy said a while back you could win without Trac, Oliver, Gawn and May getting injured at the same time because you have elite depth. It’s just wrong. 2-3 stars out is all it takes to ruin flag chances.
 
Falcon3518 said:
40 points up? Then yes. I don’t think our depth was that great either. We had enough to cover the role players. What helped us cover the injuries was the actual players like grimes, Prestia and Dusty stepping up and taking the load. They were very durable and did not get injured much at all. If any of those guys went down as well he wouldn’t have won some flags.
We’ll see if lever and the defence steps up without May. So far it’s a no but they can change that.
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Freo win regardless of May going off. They dominated us in second half. But what you also need to consider is the we shouldn’t have played Trac. We didn’t have Tmac to throw back and Petty also came off inured at times in second half with a knee complaint I believe. It all adds but. But as I said Freo would’ve won anyway.
 
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Think you would’ve won if May stayed out there ?


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Who is ‘you’?

I don’t have a dog in this fight brother and couldn’t care less if you won or not.

What I am interested in is the notion that Melbourne have suddenly had some sort of gargantuan weakness exposed and provided a template for every team to work to, which includes but is not limited to having one of the best 2-3 key defenders in the game get injured to expose their alleged lack of depth
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Did you read my post? ADAM TOMLINSON , would be KPD #1 for quite a few teams. If Petty is out also it might stretch us and be forced to moved Tom McDonald back assuming he gets back from injury this week.

Vlastuin is far easier to replace with the medi sub than a KPD, surely you understand the concept that your media sub should be a smaller player and not a tall.
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umm i agree with most of what you say but Adam Tomlinson certainly wouldn't be quite a few of teams #1 KPD....that is an extraordinary claim.
 
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I want to apologise to the Melbourne supporters, I was wrong about your gameplay. It's not one solider out, one solider in because your coach isn't that good at the tactical side of the game. Weideman was the wrong choice to go the backline, Gawn should of played there because he would of been better at organising the troops (like May). Without May, your backline just look directionless and lost. When the Dockers got on a roll, Steven May wasn't there to intercept the ball coming into the forward 50. He wasn't there to alleviate the pressure on the other defenders.
Steven May is Melbourne's most important player. FULL STOP.
 
So Melbourne fans making excuses like a couple of injuries over a loss, am I hearing correctly? May got injured, Langdon out, Petracca bit sick lol.
Did we not have a heap last year plus illness on top?
Interesting no one wanted a bar of our reasons.
Looks like Melbourne rely on a few players like everyone else but are a bunch of very hypocritical fans.
 

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