How Crow Can You Go? An Adelaide Football Club Saga

[Wickzki]

Everything I've seen from Stocker at AFL level so far, the poise, decision making, cleanliness by hand and foot on both sides, spacial awareness etc all screams 200+ game midfielder.

Don't be surprised if he ends up the best player from all the picks involved in the trade.

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the only player either team drafted with the picks in the trade either.


On another point, Adelaide's arrogance is going to see them become an early 2000's Carlton.

Sure, they're probably not going to break the salary cap and lose their draft picks. However, their list with all of those late 20's to early 30's players

33 -- Betts, Douglas
32 -- Jacobs
31 -- Mackay, Jenkins, Gibbs
30 -- Otten, Sloane, Walker
29 -- Lynch
28 -- Talia, Hartigan, Smith, Keath, Seedsman, Greenwood

As of early 2020 season screams old Carlton to me. Even if they lose a few of them they've got too much invested in them as a group to turn around and say "nah blokes, we're going to rebuild now. Sorry."

The pressure will be there from that group to stock up rather than rebuild. Additionally,



Of their players under the age of 23 the ONLY players who are likely to have played 30 games in their career by the end of the season are Milera and Murphy. Gallucci may or may not get there (he hasn't played since round 16).

That's not a list endearing itself to a rebuild. Conversely;



Our group of 23 and younger TEN have played 30+ games. In fact, FIVE of them have 50+ games (only Milera has that milestone for Adelaide)

Marchbank, Kennedy, McKay, O'Brien, and Dow should all make the 50 game mark next season.


In essence, Adelaide are set to go down the bottom for years and they're too invested in their older players whether they like to drop them or not to invest in a rebuild.

 

[Arr0w]

Lol

Rattle off 10 draftees this year that you think would be ahead of Stocker

 

[SBYM]

wouldn't get too involved arrowman, this was his einstein comment on newman: "utter spud".........

Who doesn't love butter on their spuds??

 

[teknodeejay]

Adelaide are set to go down

They loaded both barrels for a flag tilt. Even went the communist training camp approach at the start of last season to try and get the job done. Practiced their stand off poses their glorious captain thought made them appear a tough intimidating outfit before a ball was bounced.

Backfired tremendously!

With Pyke who’s terrible at selection, Ricciuto who gives a public running commentary and throws players and staff under the bus live on air, Walker who has forgotten how to lead his club (he was visibly non vocal on the weekend after the first quarter so either the players don’t want to listen to him or he’s lost his voice) and Justin Reid making horrible trades... they’re just short of Melbourne as the new laughing stock of the competition.

 

[Wickzki]

They loaded both barrels for a flag tilt.

The funniest thing is that they did it a year too late. Had they pulled the trigger on the Gibbs deal in 2017 they probably go that one step further. Instead, they wasted that year of Gibbs peak - probably his last truly great year - and bend over and give SOS pretty much exactly what he wanted a year before for a player no longer worth that much.

And yet much of the deluded Adelaide fan base ate it all up until much like expired food at a cheap restaurant it gave them a bad case of food poisoning.

 

[Login]

Interesting....so what kpi's did you use to compare him to players in this year's draft....specifically the 10th ranked player in this draft?

Don’t need KPI’s, some of us can still judge a footballers ability by purely watching them.

 

[Arr0w]

Don’t need KPI’s, some of us can still judge a footballers ability by purely watching them.

So from "watching" them, which 10 draftees this year are ahead of Stocker from last year?

 

[Arr0w]

Funk looks like you have a stalker in ABAB, who has no idea of draftee quality or trading

Good luck

 

[LemmingMaster]

The funny part is he is replying in a thread which we cannot post in.

 

[HARKER]

Stock reminds me of a mix of Andy/Angus Brayshaw, can win the ball but is better by foot on both sides

First NB's game I saw Stocker play and I thought - Luke Hodge.
Luke Hodge the player and obviously not the leader, but so many traits showed up that took me to thinking of Hodge.

Strength & aggression.
Good kicking on either foot.
Good kicking off one step.
Fair mark in the contest.
Good tackler.
Good vision.
Unflappable.

Where Stocker got involved, he just looked like a seasoned player.
Not the least bit worried about Stocker, whether we would have gone at pick #9 this year or pick #11.

 

[Arr0w]

First NB's game I saw Stocker play and I thought - Luke Hodge.
Luke Hodge the player and obviously not the leader, but so many traits showed up that took me to thinking of Hodge.

Strength & aggression.
Good kicking on either foot.
Good kicking off one step.
Fair mark in the contest.
Good tackler.
Good vision.
Unflappable.

Where Stocker got involved, he just looked like a seasoned player.
Not the least bit worried about Stocker, whether we would have gone at pick #9 this year or pick #11.

Not worried about him either, think he was a great selection, despite people not wanting more youth

 

[Funk]

Funk looks like you have a stalker in ABAB, who has no idea of draftee quality or trading

Good luck

He’s very persistent..........

 

[HARKER]

Not worried about him either, think he was a great selection, despite people not wanting more youth

Stocker doesn't play like a 'kid' does he?
If you didn't know how old he was, you'd likely say he plays like a mid 20's player
He gives as good as he gets and I like that. Enforcer type.

One thing I didn't mention before is that Stocker has a presence.
Walsh doesn't have that presence and that's neither good nor bad, but it's somehow hard to not notice Stocker. This is for now and things may change.

 

[Funk]

Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the only player either team drafted with the picks in the trade either.


On another point, Adelaide's arrogance is going to see them become an early 2000's Carlton.

Sure, they're probably not going to break the salary cap and lose their draft picks. However, their list with all of those late 20's to early 30's players

33 -- Betts, Douglas
32 -- Jacobs
31 -- Mackay, Jenkins, Gibbs
30 -- Otten, Sloane, Walker
29 -- Lynch
28 -- Talia, Hartigan, Smith, Keath, Seedsman, Greenwood

As of early 2020 season screams old Carlton to me. Even if they lose a few of them they've got too much invested in them as a group to turn around and say "nah blokes, we're going to rebuild now. Sorry."

The pressure will be there from that group to stock up rather than rebuild. Additionally,

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Of their players under the age of 23 the ONLY players who are likely to have played 30 games in their career by the end of the season are Milera and Murphy. Gallucci may or may not get there (he hasn't played since round 16).

That's not a list endearing itself to a rebuild. Conversely;

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Our group of 23 and younger TEN have played 30+ games. In fact, FIVE of them have 50+ games (only Milera has that milestone for Adelaide)

Marchbank, Kennedy, McKay, O'Brien, and Dow should all make the 50 game mark next season.


In essence, Adelaide are set to go down the bottom for years and they're too invested in their older players whether they like to drop them or not to invest in a rebuild.

Nice work wick - thanks.

To add to the Dooomsday scenario for Crows - further to above analysis you can add:

Crows had one of the easiest draws this year thanks to their poor 2018.

Crows are 2nd best on list of clubs re players missing games through injury in 2019 (Brisbane are top).

Add in a tougher draw and medium level of injuries, Crows would be 13th/14th and we would be calling our man SOSTRADAMUS........

 

[Funk]

The funny part is he is replying in a thread which we cannot post in.

It’s the equivalent of a BF “PANIC ROOM” for terrified Crows supporters..........

 

[Funk]

If he hadn't broken his jaw, would have made the championships and more than held his own.

While he wasn't an accumulator like Walsh(not many are) or had the impact of a Caldwell/Smith and or the xfactor of a Rozee/Rakine, none of the kids this year are of that quality either.

Stock reminds me of a mix of Andy/Angus Brayshaw, can win the ball but is better by foot on both sides

I’ve been trying to think who he reminds me of.

I’m thinking Angus Brayshaw/Luke Shuey.

Big, strong, explosive, composed and can seriously kick the ball.

 

[Blutopia]

First NB's game I saw Stocker play and I thought - Luke Hodge.
Luke Hodge the player and obviously not the leader, but so many traits showed up that took me to thinking of Hodge.

Strength & aggression.
Good kicking on either foot.
Good kicking off one step.
Fair mark in the contest.
Good tackler.
Good vision.
Unflappable.

Where Stocker got involved, he just looked like a seasoned player.
Not the least bit worried about Stocker, whether we would have gone at pick #9 this year or pick #11.

I don’t get down to vfl games as I live in Qld now but in his first game at afl level I thought the exact same thing.

He looked like he thrived on getting in an opponents face and having a physical confrontation.

Like Hodge, I don’t think he will be a 30 possession player throughout his career but I think he will be a general across half back who can be put in the middle or go forward when we need a bit more mongrel in those positions.

 

[james Dean]

Rattle off 10 draftees this year that you think would be ahead of Stocker

Walsh, Rozee, B.King, Smith, Thomas, Clark, Duursma, Stack, Ross, Answerth, Blakey

 

[Jeremias]

Walsh, Rozee, B.King, Smith, Thomas, Clark, Duursma, Stack, Ross, Answerth, Blakey

The discussion is about this where Stocker would fall in this year’s draft, not last years.

 

[HBF]

To the club, this trade was never pick 19 and a swap of firsts. It was only ever Liam Stocker for a swap of firsts. The trade only happened because Stocker was available. Any discussions trying to use the value of picks to see who won are just wrong. If I remember correctly we tried the same trade with another club with an earlier pick (port?).

Correct it was Port.
Great post.

 

[Stamos]

Correct it was Port.
Great post.

Definitely Port, but think we asked the Giants also

 

[HBF]

Definitely Port, but think we asked the Giants also

Would have to go back and have a look at the vision again.

 

[footyfan1978]

Why have we been deprived of playing the Crows twice?
Ripped off..

 

[Stamos]

Would have to go back and have a look at the vision again.

Might have been before draft night, not sure if it was on the video.

 

[footyfan1978]

Might have been before draft night, not sure if it was on the video.

Video was back on AFL site Saturday morning.
SOS spoke with Port and Crows in that video clip only.
But I reckon interest had been expressed in a live trade deal to one or two others club the day before.