How many games should Carlton won this year?

[True Bluebagger]

If you accept the argument that Carlton tanked this year winning only 4 games, (which BTW I don't prescribed too), how many games should have they won this year then, if you believe they were playing to their full ability.

The reason I am asking is that I am confused by the logic of a lot of anti Carlton BF posters whose arguments range:

1. they are a crap team but should have a won a lot more games this year.

2. they tanked but the addition of Judd won't make enough difference to make the final 8.

3. basically Carlton is crap team with very little future.


If you think they should have won another 3 or 4 games (7-8 games in total), why are Carlton supporters being criticised for being optimistic about the future with Judd on board.

Would it not be logical to think that Judd's presence and influence on the young players could be nearly enough to get them into the finals, if you think that they tanked this year.

What do you think? Serious posters only please.

 

[The Majestic]

Should have probably have beaten Collingwood the 2nd time around maybe even the first time though I think we may have actually played better in the 2nd half in that one.

 

[Thrawn]

Right at the start of the year the majority penciled us in a bottom four spot, in particular the spoon - and a lot of them placed us under 5 wins, or maybe a little bit more. There was little talk of tanking, if any at all... so it is fair enough to say that those predictions were based on us being shit. We met those expectations, and we suddenly tanked it all year. Bah.

 

[Grimreepah]

I think if Carlton were trying throughout the whole season they probably would have won 2 of their last 11 games and finished with 6 wins.

Are they now good enough to finish with 12 wins? Might go close but I doubt it.

 

[GoldenSky]

They shouldn't have lost about 11 consecutive games. And why Carlton is said to have tanked is because they were in winning positions in many of those games, but fell over towards the end of each match. While that is not a 100% certain indicator that they were tanking, I think the probability is very high that they were, and considering we now know the Blues knew from early this season that there was a good possibility Judd was going to leave the Eagles. They ensured they didn't climb over 5 wins.

 

[Thrawn]

They shouldn't have lost about 11 consecutive games. And why Carlton is said to have tanked is because they were in winning positions in many of those games, but fell over towards the end of each match. While that is not a 100% certain indicator that they were tanking, I think the probability is very high that they were, and considering we now know the Blues knew from early this season that there was a good possibility Judd was going to leave the Eagles. They ensured they didn't climb over 5 wins.

That is your theory, and is speculative at best. Fair enough too, at least you're not sprouting it off as fact like some other people on here.

 

[Bronze]

Should have won 3 or 4 of the last 11 games.....if we picked our best team and didn't blood our 18 year old players which were not ready.

 

[The Fireman]

That is your theory, and is speculative at best. Fair enough too, at least you're not sprouting it off as fact like some other people on here.

If by some stretch of the imagination Carltank made the finals next year would it put doubt in your mind ?

 

[Baroclinic instability]

If by some stretch of the imagination Carltank made the finals next year would it put doubt in your mind ?

Yeh why would a team which added Judd not be a chance of making the finals next year.

You're once again highlighting your poor knowledge of the game.

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

Yeh why would a team which added Judd not be a chance of making the finals next year.
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He is just one player. Judd and Fevola are Carlton's only good players. The rest are crap.

 

[The Fireman]

Yeh why would a team which added Judd not be a chance of making the finals next year.

You're once again highlighting your poor knowledge of the game.

One man will do that for you?
and you question my knowledge of the game.
Pot kettle black mate.

 

[Carlton Kid]

He is just one player. Judd and Fevola are Carlton's only good players. The rest are crap.

Coming from a supporter whose best player just retired

 

[True Bluebagger]

He is just one player. Judd and Fevola are Carlton's only good players. The rest are crap.

I said serious posters ONLY!!!

 

[stui magpie]

Carlton didn't tank the whole season, they didn't need to. They're crap.

The tanking started after Pagan was sacked. Rattan was auditioning for the coaches role as caretaker and getting players to lift, wanting to show they deserved to be there next year. Carlton stepped in and said, "woa boy. You've got the job, OK? Just FFS don't win anymore games. We want to finish with no more than 5".

Sending Fevola off for surgery early so he'd be fit for pre season training is smart. Not tanking IMO.

If Carlton was fair dinkum, they should have beat Melbourne in round 22, cos melbourne could barely put a team together. Probably Essendon too was winnable.

Lot's of teams in the last few rounds send injured players off to get fixed early if they can't make the finals and play kids to see what they've got. That's smart thinking. Preparing for next season by getting senior players a head start and scoping out kids to get game time into them. But there's a difference between doing that and not wanting to win.

It's the blatant not wanting to win and celebrating getting the priority pick as though they'd just won a final that gets up real supporters noses. It should be a consolation after a crap season to get early picks, not an ambition.

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

I said serious posters ONLY!!!

I am serious.

 

[thylacine60]

I am serious.

Better speak up a bit mate. It's getting harder and harder to hear the irrelevant Bombers. And being in the cellar next year wont help your cause. Cheers.

 

[True Bluebagger]

I am serious.

And your best and only player has just retired!!! Your mob are really screwed now aren't they.

 

[Thrawn]

If by some stretch of the imagination Carltank made the finals next year would it put doubt in your mind ?

No.

There are so many variables to consider when discussing on-field success season by season. Such as form, injury, confidence, coaching, etc. Everything would have to go right for us to make the finals next year - may it be through every player clicking at once or other teams falling.

 

[Vafa06]

The matter of fact with Carlton for 2007 was on 9 times they lost by under 4 goals. These were against:

Collingwood (2 times) 24pts, Brisbane 12pts, Kangaroos 17pts, Port 23pts, Adelaide 19pts, Essendon 10pts, Melbourne23pts and St.k 10pts.

Four of those teams made the finals with three of the teams making the preliminary final. With Adelaide knocked out first week.

Add Judd to the equation above; add in Stevens who was injured the whole season, Add Cloke to add depth to a depleted ruck supply and many of them games could have gone Carlton’s way.

 

[WakeUpPies]

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[the_fresh]

If you accept the argument that Carlton tanked this year winning only 4 games, (which BTW I don't prescribed too), how many games should have they won this year then, if you believe they were playing to their full ability.

You beat a side that went on to play in a Grand final then lost 11 straight, that is TANKING my friend.

As for this yer if they lose 3 of their first 5 they'll tank again, I think they should finish around 12th to 14th winning maybe 6 games if you're lucky.
Can't get past the ruck and back issues. Nick Steven's may never be the same over-rated player, Judd will find that life at Princess's parkis a lot harder than running around with the West Coast midfield.

I also think that trading a young good player who wanted to stay was a huge mistake, even if it was for Judd.

 

[the_fresh]

The matter of fact with Carlton for 2007 was on 9 times they lost by under 4 goals. These were against:

Collingwood (2 times) 24pts, Brisbane 12pts, Kangaroos 17pts, Port 23pts, Adelaide 19pts, Essendon 10pts, Melbourne23pts and St.k 10pts.

Four of those teams made the finals with three of the teams making the preliminary final. With Adelaide knocked out first week.

Add Judd to the equation above; add in Stevens who was injured the whole season, Add Cloke to add depth to a depleted ruck supply and many of them games could have gone Carlton’s way.

Is that the same Cloke that was bagged while at Collingwood?
Cam Cloke could be a good footballer if he didn't think so much.

 

[mulhollanddrive]

Probably 2-3. I think during Ratten's reign they should have won probably 2 of them.

Btw, this is a good thing if you're a Carlton fan. You should consider your starting base as 6 wins from this year if thats true. But all i read here, is about defending not tanking, it would be better if you did believe your team tanked to get draft picks, as it benefited the club and you would be better than your 4 wins would indicate.

I'd want to believe that.

 

[Thrawn]

You beat a side that went on to play in a Grand final then lost 11 straight, that is TANKING my friend.

Anyone could've beaten Port on that day, they were truly horrific in that game and at that time they were on the edge of the bottom four in a very rough patch.

I suppose the Bulldogs should've won the flag this year seeing as they beat the premiers.

 

[Baroclinic instability]

I suppose the Bulldogs should've won the flag this year seeing as they beat the premiers.

That's the sort of 'logic' you get from Collingwood supporters