How would you fix the yips?

[3KZ is Football]

Appoint BERNIE QUINLAN to the role of head goal kicking coach.

 

[brutus76]

Someone other than Jed Adcock as forwards coach as their accuracy has been deplorable. Lynchy? Bernie Quinlan? Daniel Bradshaw?

 

[3KZ is Football]

Someone other than Jed Adcock as forwards coach as their accuracy has been deplorable. Lynchy? Bernie Quinlan? Daniel Bradshaw?

Yep, what ever Adcock is doing isn’t working. Also, what qualifies a person who played his entire career as a defender to be a "Forward Coach"?

 

[jackess]

Someone other than Jed Adcock as forwards coach as their accuracy has been deplorable. Lynchy? Bernie Quinlan? Daniel Bradshaw?

Any evidence that a forward coach to be effective has to previously been a gun forward?

 

[jackess]

Also a reminder that out of necessity we have a pretty low limit for off field spending

 

[Mr Ripper]

Tumble punts.

 

[notliondown]

So I have this theory that to play AFL you have to be OK at it. You know... decent like. Like have skillz and stuff. Kicking and things.

And I also have this theory that AFL teams usually employ people who are OK at their jobs and stuff... you know, sort of know what they're doing. Like coaching and learning stuff to the players like.

Now I can't actually verify any of this but I'm also suspicious that these same people may or may not have wondered this very same thing. How come these people who play the game can kick all of these goals in all of this training that we do with all of these insane ideas and drills we have - and yet still f**k it up when it counts?

Seriously now, I'll bet the boys kick at amazing accuracy in training. And nothing we do or suggest here will change that. I'd even bet that they've tried most of these ideas (well bar screwing with their heads ala Adelaide).

This very same topic raged for ages during the 01,02,03 years. Lynch went through a period where he couldn't hit the side of a barn with a shot gun. I personally wanted him to kick all day every day and screw his CF - he could sleep after the premierships. Bradshaw was the same - bloody awful at times. Browny was cr*p too for a while there.

All forward lines are the victims of their own headspace from time to time. Hell Matthews used to send Leppa back down the forward line during the really bad games to straighten things out a bit.

The one thing that is certain is that this phase will pass. It always does. Maybe not this week or next but it will. The boys have the skills and do the training. It just needs to click. And like being sh*thouse is contagious, so is being brilliant. Once it catches on it has a mind of it's own.

If we make too big a deal out of this all we do is just extend the period of pain.

Trust they can execute because they can. Only time will get them to trust that they can - that's the hard part.

 

[jackess]

I think they try to do goal kicking practice at the end of training when they're tired and also under some pressure but it's impossible to recreate what happens in games.

We've been able to turn around Rayners goal kicking but each will be different.

 

[martinson]

From what I've seen pre match and otherwise have no fear they can all slot goals from all sorts of angles .

Under match conditions a different type of pressure enters your head space. Snaps are under more pressure and nearly all players tend to rush them . Set shots the whole world is focused on you.

It basically gets back to your mental strength and confidence. Can't be taught . I think every team goes through periods of the yips.

 

[LongLion]

So I have this theory that to play AFL you have to be OK at it. You know... decent like. Like have skillz and stuff. Kicking and things.

And I also have this theory that AFL teams usually employ people who are OK at their jobs and stuff... you know, sort of know what they're doing. Like coaching and learning stuff to the players like.

Now I can't actually verify any of this but I'm also suspicious that these same people may or may not have wondered this very same thing. How come these people who play the game can kick all of these goals in all of this training that we do with all of these insane ideas and drills we have - and yet still f**k it up when it counts?

Seriously now, I'll bet the boys kick at amazing accuracy in training. And nothing we do or suggest here will change that. I'd even bet that they've tried most of these ideas (well bar screwing with their heads ala Adelaide).

This very same topic raged for ages during the 01,02,03 years. Lynch went through a period where he couldn't hit the side of a barn with a shot gun. I personally wanted him to kick all day every day and screw his CF - he could sleep after the premierships. Bradshaw was the same - bloody awful at times. Browny was cr*p too for a while there.

All forward lines are the victims of their own headspace from time to time. Hell Matthews used to send Leppa back down the forward line during the really bad games to straighten things out a bit.

The one thing that is certain is that this phase will pass. It always does. Maybe not this week or next but it will. The boys have the skills and do the training. It just needs to click. And like being sh*thouse is contagious, so is being brilliant. Once it catches on it has a mind of it's own.

If we make too big a deal out of this all we do is just extend the period of pain.

Trust they can execute because they can. Only time will get them to trust that they can - that's the hard part.

Could always tell when Lynchy was going top miss. He would lay back when he kicked. Got that out of his action and off he went.

 

[golions]

The yips are due to a dysfunctional forward line without any focal tall forward targets. Lack of a tall focal point means a lot more shots on the run, under pressure and from wide angles. All low percentage. A small forward (Charlie Cameron) cannot be the primary focal point.

Hipwood should be the focal point by now - he has enough talent - but clearly it doesn't look like he has spent much time in the gym the last few years. If you put him next to Max King you'd think it was Hipwood who was the first year player, not the other way around.

It's disappointing because it seems as though the other young blokes - Andrews, McCluggage, Rayner, Witherden - have done the hard work in the gym over the preseasons - but Hipwood has not.

Not sure what the answer will be as I don't think there's much upside from Hipwood this season (and unless he bulks up his full potential may never be realised). McStay will help but has his own issues in front of goal. McInerny has been good as a 3rd target / resting forward ruckman. Hopefully one of the other young blokes can step up.

I reckon if we can find a focal tall forward, it will straighten us up, make Charlie even more effective and create a lot more dangerous opportunities for the midfielders going forward. That will sort out the yips.

 

[FLVanLandingham]

ignore it and it will go away.

 

[jackess]

The yips are due to a dysfunctional forward line without any focal tall forward targets. Lack of a tall focal point means a lot more shots on the run, under pressure and from wide angles. All low percentage. A small forward (Charlie Cameron) cannot be the primary focal point.

Hipwood should be the focal point by now - he has enough talent - but clearly it doesn't look like he has spent much time in the gym the last few years. If you put him next to Max King you'd think it was Hipwood who was the first year player, not the other way around.

It's disappointing because it seems as though the other young blokes - Andrews, McCluggage, Rayner, Witherden - have done the hard work in the gym over the preseasons - but Hipwood has not.

Not sure what the answer will be as I don't think there's much upside from Hipwood this season (and unless he bulks up his full potential may never be realised). McStay will help but has his own issues in front of goal. McInerny has been good as a 3rd target / resting forward ruckman. Hopefully one of the other young blokes can step up.

I reckon if we can find a focal tall forward, it will straighten us up, make Charlie even more effective and create a lot more dangerous opportunities for the midfielders going forward. That will sort out the yips.

And if we can't?

 

[Dalions]

ignore it and it will go away.

It’s so glaringly obvious, it’s hard to ignore.
It’s like a corrosive bit of metal just getting worse and worse.

 

[Jivlain]

Yep, what ever Adcock is doing isn’t working. Also, what qualifies a person who played his entire career as a defender to be a "Forward Coach"?

A defender would know how to beat a forward. Of course, this gets into stuff like structures, winning one-on-ones, etc, moreso than the actual act of goalkicking.

But, more importantly, line coaches are rarely "you coach the line you played". In terms of your career you've got to circulate the field to demonstrate your chops across the board, so it's not uncommon to find line coaches who were previously players out of position. Coaching your former position is just not the rubric.

 

[dlanod]

A defender would know how to beat a forward. Of course, this gets into stuff like structures, winning one-on-ones, etc, moreso than the actual act of goalkicking.

But, more importantly, line coaches are rarely "you coach the line you played". In terms of your career you've got to circulate the field to demonstrate your chops across the board, so it's not uncommon to find line coaches who were previously players out of position. Coaching your former position is just not the rubric.

It's like arguing that Fagan can't coach at the AFL level having never played at it.

 

[notliondown]

It's like arguing that Fagan can't coach at the AFL level having never played at it.

Geez don't open that pandoras box!

 

[marooned]

Set shots are all about rhythm, balance and routine. Obviously fatigue has a major influence in this but they frustrate me more than running shots that miss.

 

[martinson]

It's like arguing that Fagan can't coach at the AFL level having never played at it.

Correct.

Some of the greatest coaches in our game have been skunk back pocket strugglers.

Sometimes extreme natural ability works against your capacity to teach.

 

[Jivlain]

It's like arguing that Fagan can't coach at the AFL level having never played at it.

On the other hand, it's probably actually true that Hipwood might benefit from playing a few games for the Fagan's hometown side.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Zorkos run up is bizarre.

 

[Gibbo_88]

The yips are due to a dysfunctional forward line without any focal tall forward targets. Lack of a tall focal point means a lot more shots on the run, under pressure and from wide angles. All low percentage. A small forward (Charlie Cameron) cannot be the primary focal point.

Hipwood should be the focal point by now - he has enough talent - but clearly it doesn't look like he has spent much time in the gym the last few years. If you put him next to Max King you'd think it was Hipwood who was the first year player, not the other way around.

It's disappointing because it seems as though the other young blokes - Andrews, McCluggage, Rayner, Witherden - have done the hard work in the gym over the preseasons - but Hipwood has not.

Not sure what the answer will be as I don't think there's much upside from Hipwood this season (and unless he bulks up his full potential may never be realised). McStay will help but has his own issues in front of goal. McInerny has been good as a 3rd target / resting forward ruckman. Hopefully one of the other young blokes can step up.

I reckon if we can find a focal tall forward, it will straighten us up, make Charlie even more effective and create a lot more dangerous opportunities for the midfielders going forward. That will sort out the yips.

Well said. I wonder if the coaches feel that we need another top midfielder or if they know we are lacking a reliable marking forward. It felt like a functional forward line last year even though we were concentrating on Cameron a bit too much towards the end of the season.

 

[jackess]

Too early to write him off but there was always the chance Hipwood would end up more like Westhoff than Dixon

 

[Ceebee]

Get in a sports psychologist ,it's all in the head .

 

[golions]

And if we can't?

We will probably be a competitive ‘also ran’ team that will make prelims and maybe even the big dance but probably won’t win a premiership unless we got really lucky (like Bulldogs 2016 or Bombers 1993) - will bring us a lot of joy along the way (and already has from where we were) but probably not premiership glory