Rumour Hugh Greenwood waiting to re-sign!

[Golumless]

Beginning to have some early hallmarks of a Jarryd Lyons/Ricky Henderson situation.

Club thinks it's best to trade a player when they still have value, but needs to push them out the door via low-balling/stalling contract talks/selection decisions. In doing so, that reduces their value significantly to the point where we end up with poor compensation.

I hope I'm wrong and not convinced about this theory yet, but a few things are starting to fall into place

Not exactly. Both were more akin to a salary dump then us trying to extract value out of a pick. Depth player wanting a pay rise and we didn't want Henderson at the club at all.

One of Greenwood or CEY cops it this year because both will be way too expensive to be depth. This may be the sign that we're leaning CEY.

 

[1970crow]

We haven't signed anyone, not even given the rookies like Jones an early extension like we did with Fogarty, Milera and others. I'd say it's clear there's something brewing that's preventing them from making any moves yet.

If we need to shed cap space to fit in a big fish, surely it doesn’t result in a guy that is definitely best 22 with 3 years left at peak not being offered a contract commensurate with his value. I don’t think we’ve got much extra to pay from the younger group deserving big increases, maybe Milera, not sure where his contract is at. Would think we’d release a fair bit by delisting Sauce, Mackay, Dougie and Otten. Mackay and Otto are on extensions, so might only be $500k there, but Sauce and Dougie are finishing up 3 or 4 year deals that would probably be $500k each, although if they were front loaded it might be a bit less. That leaves about $1.2m after paying the replacement draftees just from biting the bullet on guys that are physically done or largely fringe. Having said that, maybe 1 of CEY and Greenwood will be used as trade bait given we’ve got a couple of younger mids going well in the 2s that aren’t getting games.

But this smacks of a situation where Hugh’s manager will now be seeing what offers are out there and he’ll get offered more than market value and we’ll have a bugger of a time keeping him. Assuming we want to.

 

[chazwazza]

With respect to CEY and I’m happy he’s going well and injury free, I think Greenwood has more upside and more versatility.

 

[cmndstab]

I am yet to see any reason why we can't just play both.

 

[Scorpus]

I am yet to see any reason why we can't just play both.

Because Richard Douglas is a better.... ahhhhh... something... better at... ???? ... shit ahhhh ... look he's just better alright

 

[Apsaalooke]

Because Richard Douglas is a better.... ahhhhh... something... better at... ???? ... **** ahhhh ... look he's just better alright

You mean betterer I think...

 

[skittlebrew]

We haven't signed anyone, not even given the rookies like Jones an early extension like we did with Fogarty, Milera and others. I'd say it's clear there's something brewing that's preventing them from making any moves yet.

Who could it be? Isn't any big names left to resign and can't really think of anyone wanting to come here.

Might be looking to cull Gibb's contract? Or offload Jenkins?

Can't really think of any major road blocks.

 

[Elite Crow]

Because Richard Douglas is a better.... ahhhhh... something... better at... ???? ... **** ahhhh ... look he's just better alright

He is a best and fairest

 

[StonesThrow]

I will not believe that the afc doesn't rate him highly. Just can't be true.

 

[skittlebrew]

I will not believe that the afc doesn't rate him highly. Just can't be true.

In which case they may view him as surplus to our needs and are trying to cash him in for a pick ala Lyons.

It's prudent list management.

 

[MRB37]

If we need to shed cap space to fit in a big fish, surely it doesn’t result in a guy that is definitely best 22 with 3 years left at peak not being offered a contract commensurate with his value. I don’t think we’ve got much extra to pay from the younger group deserving big increases, maybe Milera, not sure where his contract is at. Would think we’d release a fair bit by delisting Sauce, Mackay, Dougie and Otten. Mackay and Otto are on extensions, so might only be $500k there, but Sauce and Dougie are finishing up 3 or 4 year deals that would probably be $500k each, although if they were front loaded it might be a bit less. That leaves about $1.2m after paying the replacement draftees just from biting the bullet on guys that are physically done or largely fringe. Having said that, maybe 1 of CEY and Greenwood will be used as trade bait given we’ve got a couple of younger mids going well in the 2s that aren’t getting games.

But this smacks of a situation where Hugh’s manager will now be seeing what offers are out there and he’ll get offered more than market value and we’ll have a bugger of a time keeping him. Assuming we want to.

We can't use CEY as trade bait because he's a UFA at the end of the year, which may play into the decision.

And if we're in the position of looking at bringing someone in (and we do have a very attractive bargaining chip at the trade table this year) you'd probably want to leave as much cap open until you get that sorted. I'm guessing there will be a lot of player manager meetings across the bye rounds and then we'll get like 2017 when we were announcing re-signing a 3-4 towards at a time the last 8 weeks of the year cause we'd sorted our moves going forward and then knew how much cash we'd have to throw around elsewhere. Otten, Douglas and Mackay are coming off 1 year extensions, so I doubt they'd be getting a ton of money this year.

Short term I don't think we'd have much space, we've got Keath and Greenwood to fit in over 2020 and 2021, both who'd go from probably low-ish wages to fairly decent ones, it's not until 2022 when our cap opens up with our "core" of Tex, Smith, Lynch, JJ, M.Crouch, Laird, Gibbs, Talia, Seedsman all expire.

The issue there is I'm assuming you'd give both Greenwood and Keath 3 year deals, which makes it harder to fit them in ATM. Signing a big name is easier because they'd likely get a 5-6 year deal, so you can just backend it to fit it in.

CEY is a real difficult one to peg too in terms of what you'd offer him. Knight and Kelly are ooc too, I'm less worried about if they go, Knight in particular.

 

[skittlebrew]

We can't use CEY as trade bait because he's a UFA at the end of the year, which may play into the decision.

RIP Thor

 

[Magma]

can't find a spot for this bloke? **** me we have a pretty high opinion of ourselves.

 

[Elite Crow]

can't find a spot for this bloke? **** me we have a pretty high opinion of ourselves.

It’s a joke

 

[StonesThrow]

In which case they may view him as surplus to our needs and are trying to cash him in for a pick ala Lyons.

It's prudent list management.

We'd want to be getting a lot more value than we did for Lyons though. 1st rounder. He's only getting better and still doesn't have the fitness. Only 27 (28?). Still got 3-4 years of good football left.

 

[skittlebrew]

We'd want to be getting a lot more value than we did for Lyons though. 1st rounder. He's only getting better and still doesn't have the fitness. Only 27 (28?). Still got 3-4 years of good football left.

AFC wanted a 2nd but GC played hard ball and called our bluff. They knew we didn't want to keep him and he didn't have any other suitors. We balanced the ledger with the Wigg trade.

Either we get a good pick for Hugh or we resign him for cheap, either way we win.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I will not believe that the afc doesn't rate him highly. Just can't be true.

We value things that aren't valuable

 

[hey shorty]

Question for me is, how much does he want and what will it take for the club to compromise ?? We have recent history of leaving our signings late so im not concerned just yet.

 

[hey shorty]

can't find a spot for this bloke? **** me we have a pretty high opinion of ourselves.

With all due respect, theres a number of stats that Rory Atkins is above average or elite in too.

 

[Bicks]

Might explain why Gibbs is out of favour...While we're on Stats Pro

 

[1970crow]

With respect to CEY and I’m happy he’s going well and injury free, I think Greenwood has more upside and more versatility.

We seem to be having trouble building his tank enough to realise his extra upside though.

 

[hey shorty]

We seem to be having trouble building his tank enough to realise his extra upside though.

Some guys you just cant.

After a predominantly basketball based decade it would be hard to flick the switch back. Mason Cox is a prime example.

 

[Mike Smyth]

It’s a joke

It seems PYKE and co are punishing the playing group for not getting them that premiership. Let's hope PYKE doesn't do to much damage between now and his sacking.

 

[hey shorty]

It seems PYKE and co are punishing the playing group for not getting them that premiership. Let's hope PYKE doesn't do to much damage between now and his sacking.

I don't think it's that at all, he WANTS Greenwood to be playing well.

The fact is, he isn't and our other inside mids are doing so. Would I have picked him ?? Yeah probably, but team balance is a fair reason to drop the least in form of his type.

 

[Mike Smyth]

I don't think it's that at all, he WANTS Greenwood to be playing well.

The fact is, he isn't and our other inside mids are doing so. Would I have picked him ?? Yeah probably, but team balance is a fair reason to drop the least in form of his type.

If you think Greenwood has been poor since he come back in then you really don't know football.