Rumour Hugh Greenwood waiting to re-sign!

[Vhaluus]

I suspect we're holding off on any significant re-signings for a few more weeks. After we get flogged by GWS, Richmond and Geelong in the next 3 games then the club will want to have a contract announcement or two to provide a bit of warm and fuzzy good news to placate the supporter base. They'll probably keep an extra couple up their sleeve in case of a Showdown loss the following week, too.

If that was the case negotiations would be underway. These things take time and they're not going to just blaze through it on 3 weeks for it to be a good news story.

 

[Geoffa32]

What would we be waiting for?

Could be as simple as drawing up the contract and having AFL house check it.

It is a process.

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[Golumless]

What would we be waiting for?

Or alternatively, Greenwood (or his agent who'd handle all of the contract negotiations) is gunning for a bit more then our current offer, and just trying to put a bit of pressure on us.

After all, saying you want to stay but haven't seen an offer would do that in a way that wouldn't see any backlash on Greenwood.

 

[baldandbroke]

I suspect we're holding off on any significant re-signings for a few more weeks. After we get flogged by GWS, Richmond and Geelong in the next 3 games then the club will want to have a contract announcement or two to provide a bit of warm and fuzzy good news to placate the supporter base. They'll probably keep an extra couple up their sleeve in case of a Showdown loss the following week, too.

So jaded ....

I thought exactly the same thing

 

[Vhaluus]

Or alternatively, Greenwood (or his agent who'd handle all of the contract negotiations) is gunning for a bit more then our current offer, and just trying to put a bit of pressure on us.

After all, saying you want to stay but haven't seen an offer would do that in a way that wouldn't see any backlash on Greenwood.

Except saying shit like that is not acting in good faith and is a real good way to make negotiations break down.

 

[Smoooothy]

I'd say 3 years is a good result for both Hugh and the Crows

we'd be stupid to offer any less than that

 

[Mike Smyth]

I was talking to Hugh's dad at the Brisbane game. He said they are waiting on the Crows to get talks started. Hugh is ready to sign.

wtf - seriously...and we are expecting these amateurs to engineer trades for Luko and Rankine.

 

[Jack is Back]

I dont think that makes any difference he ckearly has difficulties with his fitness anyone thst has trained hard knows all too well when approaching 30 recovery slows soo much. His recovery has already started slowing at 27 no way he will get recover better from here on in.

Early twenties is peak of recovery all down hill from there which is why 30 is that age has nothing to do with if he played footy as a teenager

Question

How many years has he being playing footy full time for? After he finished his BBall career, pretty sure a year or two would you have you up to scratch he wasnt a 120 kilo over weight fatman when he started

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Your like a dog with a bone. Just because you declared Greenwood not up to AFL immediately before he was promoted (and has not been dropped since that time), it doesn’t mean you have to maintain this ridiculous opinion. Same as your story about Doedee, just admit you are wrong and walk away.

Hugh had a post season archilles operation and when he returned to training in late January he strained an abdominal muscle. He had virtually no pre-season which would usually signal a lost season for a midfielder. He is spending less time on the ball and more time forward but he is close to our most important midfielder. He is not only our best defensive inside midfielder, he is close to the best defensive inside midfielder in the league.

P.S. Since you have previously suggested that Greenwood, Doedee and Keath would not make it in the AFL, can you please write off a few more of our developing players .

 

[Jarman3]

Your like a dog with a bone. Just because you declared Greenwood not up to AFL immediately before he was promoted (and has not been dropped since that time), it doesn’t mean you have to maintain this ridiculous opinion. Same as your story about Doedee, just admit you are wrong and walk away.

Hugh had a post season archilles operation and when he returned to training in late January he strained an abdominal muscle. He had virtually no pre-season which would usually signal a lost season for a midfielder. He is spending less time on the ball and more time forward but he is close to our most important midfielder. He is not only our best defensive inside midfielder, he is close to the best defensive inside midfielder in the league.

P.S. Since you have previously suggested that Greenwood, Doedee and Keath would not make it in the AFL, can you please write off a few more of our developing players .

How sh*t is that Fogarty bloke?

 

[Grenville]

I suspect the club might be coming around to the idea that if we're not a genuine contender this year, with a near full list available for selection, then we need to rebuild some. I hope so & suspect we'll have a better idea when we see what selection looks like in a month.
If we do accept the need to rebuild, then a few guys like Greenwood and Keath in the 27-28 age range with trade value should go.

His value to the side as a first 22 player isnt in question - i dont see many other reasons for putting off talks.

 

[Mike Smyth]

How sh*t is that Fogarty bloke?

Who?

 

[Mike Smyth]

I suspect the club might be coming around to the idea that if we're not a genuine contender this year, with a near full list available for selection, then we need to rebuild some. I hope so & suspect we'll have a better idea when we see what selection looks like in a month.
If we do accept the need to rebuild, then a few guys like Greenwood and Keath in the 27-28 age range with trade value should go.

His value to the side as a first 22 player isnt in question - i dont see many other reasons for putting off talks.

Sort of agree. However, if we are going to trade mid aged players in Keith and Greenwood (or any other ) then we really do intend to bottom out.

 

[GrommoT]

I suspect the club might be coming around to the idea that if we're not a genuine contender this year, with a near full list available for selection, then we need to rebuild some. I hope so & suspect we'll have a better idea when we see what selection looks like in a month.
If we do accept the need to rebuild, then a few guys like Greenwood and Keath in the 27-28 age range with trade value should go.

His value to the side as a first 22 player isnt in question - i dont see many other reasons for putting off talks.

Maybe the club is waiting to see how youngsters like McHenry, Hamill, Sholl, McPherson, McAdam, Davis, Butts progress the rest of this year, maybe enough that with the return of Doedee next year we could be capable of being a top 8 side again next year even if we do have a bit of a prune of our list.

If so, Greenwood & Keath will be pretty handy next, and might have a chance of success in 21/22.

 

[Golumless]

I suspect the club might be coming around to the idea that if we're not a genuine contender this year, with a near full list available for selection, then we need to rebuild some. I hope so & suspect we'll have a better idea when we see what selection looks like in a month.
If we do accept the need to rebuild, then a few guys like Greenwood and Keath in the 27-28 age range with trade value should go.

His value to the side as a first 22 player isnt in question - i dont see many other reasons for putting off talks.

Never underestimate the value a hardened body like Greenwood would have in a rebuild. Keath is a bit of a different story as at this point, you could argue almost anyone would be a resounding success in a loose defender role at Adelaide currently. Too many players have gone through there in recent times for little, to no drop in performance.

 

[Grenville]

Never underestimate the value a hardened body like Greenwood would have in a rebuild. Keath is a bit of a different story as at this point, you could argue almost anyone would be a resounding success in a loose defender role at Adelaide currently. Too many players have gone through there in recent times for little, to no drop in performance.

Its not that i dont think Greenwood would be useful - more that he likely has trade value. We have a pick in at least the top couple this year, off a couple 1st rounders last season so in essence it can be the core of a mini rebuild. We should be ruthless and move a couple (not all) of the 27+ bracket that have value. Greenwood, as much as i like him as a player is probably a good candidate.

 

[Vhaluus]

Never underestimate the value a hardened body like Greenwood would have in a rebuild. Keath is a bit of a different story as at this point, you could argue almost anyone would be a resounding success in a loose defender role at Adelaide currently. Too many players have gone through there in recent times for little, to no drop in performance.

Keath has shown he can be a solid 1 on 1 defender vs the 2nd tall target though. Somethink Lever for example never achieved.

 

[John Who]

Its not that i dont think Greenwood would be useful - more that he likely has trade value. We have a pick in at least the top couple this year, off a couple 1st rounders last season so in essence it can be the core of a mini rebuild. We should be ruthless and move a couple (not all) of the 27+ bracket that have value. Greenwood, as much as i like him as a player is probably a good candidate.

By the same token, Greenwood out of the 27-28 bracket would be a handy player for the new youngsters to learn from - hard at it and highly skilled.

You’re thinking the type of rebuild that is predominantly 18-24 only. Youngsters learning from youngsters might not get you the maximum results.

 

[Taylor]

Youngsters learning from youngsters might not get you the maximum results.

This is the path Melbourne went down when they fired McDonald, cut loose their older players, drafted a guy at the end of 2009 and before the start of the 2012 season he was captain of the club.

 

[John Who]

This is the path Melbourne went down when they fired McDonald, cut loose their older players, drafted a guy at the end of 2009 and before the start of the 2012 season he was captain of the club.

I dont know how you can remember all that! So would you prefer that path also?

 

[Taylor]

I dont know how you can remember all that! So would you prefer that path also?

I remember everything. It's a curse.

I think that if you're going to have a rebuild you need to be rotating out your C and D grade players but keeping your elite talent. Half your midfield at least needs to be mature bodies otherwise your forwards aren't going to get a chance and your defenders will be under siege. Contending teams blood youngsters in non critical/structural positions, those young bodies at half back, half forward, forward pocket etc. Those positions don't rely on them winning their own ball, they can be fed the ball by the mature body that won it.

If you plan your rebuild to have one junior at each stoppage with two mature players there, then you're not going to get as smashed in clearances.

I'd be worried about a team that plays young players in both key defender spots, the ruck, both key forward spots, all three inside mid roles and either of the wing roles. Each specialty needs it's own skills, most require years of training, especially the high running wing roles. You'll get 3/4 out of a guy putting him on the wing in year one and smashed in ball movement late in every quarter.

And they do need to have players living the life, playing on the weekend with them, setting the example.

 

[Grenville]

By the same token, Greenwood out of the 27-28 bracket would be a handy player for the new youngsters to learn from - hard at it and highly skilled.

You’re thinking the type of rebuild that is predominantly 18-24 only. Youngsters learning from youngsters might not get you the maximum results.

Not advocating for trading out all experienced players for a Melbourne-style bottom out and fill with kids. We have plenty of leadership/experience for the kids to learn from.
Take Hawthorn as the template - we need to be more ruthless. It comes down to who we have in the older bracket with trade value. Greenwood i suspect is a good candidate.

 

[Mike Smyth]

I agree with Taylor in that we need to keep some of the mature aged players to help guide the youngsters during the rebuild phase. So who is and isn't on the table.

Over 29's
Most have probably passed their trade value but IMO all are trade-able apart from Sloane, Tex, Betts and Sauce who will be allowed to retire as AFC better than average to great AFC players.

Aged 24 to 28
All are trade-able apart from the Crouch brothers, Talia, Keith, Greenwood and O'Brien

Aged 23 and under
All are trade-able apart from Milera, Himmelberg, Doedee and the untrieds.

Obviously the disclaimer to this is if you were offered a Carlton pick 1 insane deal.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Not advocating for trading out all experienced players for a Melbourne-style bottom out and fill with kids. We have plenty of leadership/experience for the kids to learn from.
Take Hawthorn as the template - we need to be more ruthless. It comes down to who we have in the older bracket with trade value. Greenwood i suspect is a good candidate.

I'm abit like you regarding Clarkson's ruthlessness with list management, however, it's yet to be proven successful. I can't help but feel you can also break your culture if you keep trading out club champions as they draw near to their use by date. What message does it send to the rest of the group. Even if you're a club legend you will be traded or sent to early retirement to make way for young talent. If you're a player in the 26 to 29 age bracket you may seriously re-consider that longer term offer from another club.

 

[chazwazza]

Would be mad to let HG go. His work around packs, ability to hold his ground in a tackle and still dish out a ball to a target and his versatility around the ground is priceless, he’s good overhead in a contested mark and solid in front of goal under pressure. I reckon he’d be a coaches dream as he offers options.

 

[mattymac]

I suspect the club might be coming around to the idea that if we're not a genuine contender this year, with a near full list available for selection, then we need to rebuild some. I hope so & suspect we'll have a better idea when we see what selection looks like in a month.
If we do accept the need to rebuild, then a few guys like Greenwood and Keath in the 27-28 age range with trade value should go.

His value to the side as a first 22 player isnt in question - i dont see many other reasons for putting off talks.

I like the sound of this but can't find any faith in its being true. We will continue to strive for 8th. There will be no strategic pruning of mature players with value. Even those without value will be retained.