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Opinion Hypothetical 2021 Best 22
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We really need a few bolters.
Greaver, Frosty, Scrim
Jars, Nash, Howie
Phillips, Mitchell, Day
Jackie G, Jeka, Chad
Punky, Lewis, No.4
BB, Worp, Finn
I/C: Burger, Jaegar, Dimma, Moore
The new I/C changes impact on Burger, BB/Cegs and Patton. It may save TO.
Greaver, Frosty, Scrim
Jars, Nash, Howie
Phillips, Mitchell, Day
Jackie G, Jeka, Chad
Punky, Lewis, No.4
BB, Worp, Finn
I/C: Burger, Jaegar, Dimma, Moore
The new I/C changes impact on Burger, BB/Cegs and Patton. It may save TO.
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FB : Hardwick Frost Impey
HB : Day McEvoy Scrimshaw
C : Phillips JOM Scully
HF : O’Brien Lewis Wingard
FF : Breust Patton Gunston
FOL : Ceglar Mitchell Worpel
I : Shiels Hollands Greaves Burgoyne
FB : Hardwick Frost Impey
HB : Day McEvoy Scrimshaw
C : Phillips JOM Scully
HF : O’Brien Lewis Wingard
FF : Breust Patton Gunston
FOL : Ceglar Mitchell Worpel
I : Shiels Hollands Greaves Burgoyne
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If we're looking at bolters, I'd keep an eye on Morris. The club seemed pretty keen to get him games in his first year despite having a birthday in November (only just turned 19). Wouldn't be surprised at all if he's in the rd 1 team.
I remember he kicked 4 goals in 20 mins in the scratch match against the Eagles. His skills, strength and ability to get separation seem great, it probably comes down to getting to the right spots, applying pressure and staying in games for him.
I remember he kicked 4 goals in 20 mins in the scratch match against the Eagles. His skills, strength and ability to get separation seem great, it probably comes down to getting to the right spots, applying pressure and staying in games for him.
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Astute comment. I didn't see much to warrant his selection to be honest but the club clearly rates him and we know who's opinion is worth more.
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Love the idea of seeing what we've got in Jeka. We need to find him a spot to learn his trade though, he'd be burnt at CHF.
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I respect a lot of what you think and contribute on other threads but Greaves is still raw and not even certain to be best 22 next year, Dimma a lock to be picked IMO.
I saw each of Greaves games played in Adelaide and he was the quintessential hawthorn apprentice, played the percentages, kicked down the lines etc but still very much learning how to play at this level. He'll make it I believe as he seems coachable and team first.
This doesn't mean he is > Dimma though who is one of only 2 or 3 who fly the flag and as such picked every game.
I'd love Greaves to be given the opportunity to cement his position but not at the expense of Hardwick.
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If it wasn’t for what we threw up between rounds 4 and 16 we’d look at the possible 22 and think it’s going to deliver quite a few wins, but obviously some of the efforts in 2020 and they way the side didn’t give a yelp taint things.
On paper it’s quite a good side, particularly forward of centre if we have Gunners, Punky, Wings, Jars and the General clicking. We need more classy mids thoigh.
Really hopeful that the whispers of Jeka’s rise in 2020 come to fruition and we start to see him making his claim for a spot as a tall forward early in 2021.
On paper it’s quite a good side, particularly forward of centre if we have Gunners, Punky, Wings, Jars and the General clicking. We need more classy mids thoigh.
Really hopeful that the whispers of Jeka’s rise in 2020 come to fruition and we start to see him making his claim for a spot as a tall forward early in 2021.
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Greaves - Frost - Hardwick
Scrimshaw - Hartigan/Hartley - Impey
Big Boy - Mitchell - Worpel
Phillips - Wingard - Day
JOM - Lewis - Gunston
Burgoyne - Patton - Breust
Maginess - Shiels - Moore - Pick 4
Scrimshaw - Hartigan/Hartley - Impey
Big Boy - Mitchell - Worpel
Phillips - Wingard - Day
JOM - Lewis - Gunston
Burgoyne - Patton - Breust
Maginess - Shiels - Moore - Pick 4
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Greaves and Hardwick are not even vying for the same spot.
Hardwick = small defender
Greaves = medium defender/half back flanker
I don’t think people understand how good Greaves was during those 3 games. He didn’t look out of place at all. This is where he ranked during those 3 games (club ranking)
Rounds 16-18
Kicks: 1st
Effective kicks: 1st
Disposal efficiency: 1st
Marks: 1st
Rebound 50s: 1st
Meters gained: 1st
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I agree he looked good but stats can be misleading.
He was playing back pocket in these games when we were trying different things with Dimma so can only compare what I saw at the games
For most of his kicks, it was long down the line to a contest which is an effective kick, 100% disposal efficiency, an R50 and +50m gained. He was often the back pocket outlet kick too so took the uncontested 'get out' mark in the back line which facilitated his ability to achieve these stats.
In saying that, he has a great opportunity to make the vacant position his and try to work his way into games. I suspect he was given a very defensive role as he was always vocal and directing other defenders despite only just coming into the team and very conscious of his man.
He was playing back pocket in these games when we were trying different things with Dimma so can only compare what I saw at the games
For most of his kicks, it was long down the line to a contest which is an effective kick, 100% disposal efficiency, an R50 and +50m gained. He was often the back pocket outlet kick too so took the uncontested 'get out' mark in the back line which facilitated his ability to achieve these stats.
In saying that, he has a great opportunity to make the vacant position his and try to work his way into games. I suspect he was given a very defensive role as he was always vocal and directing other defenders despite only just coming into the team and very conscious of his man.
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The problem with Big Boy playing permanent ruck is he has lost whatever leap he had.
Athletic rucks like Nic Nat will jump all over him in the centre square.
He is still a very good contested mark and capable at contesting throw ins but we will get smashed out of the centre all year if Ben is in their.
I honestly don't mind seeing TOB in the centre square, he actually has a very decent leap on him.
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Who makes it, who's unlucky: Your club's best 22 in 2021
With the Trade Period over, here's your team's best line-up for next year
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Hawthorn's backline will receive a vital boost via the acquisition of former Crow Kyle Hartigan, having lost James Sicily to a long-term knee injury and former captain Ben Stratton and premiership player James Frawley to retirement. If Jarman Impey can return to form following his time out of the game, that will be an additional positive. Tom Phillips will add more run on a wing, while Jon Patton's return from injury could provide more firepower up forward. However, with Jack Gunston, Tim O'Brien and Mitch Lewis also there – and with Jon Ceglar waiting in reserve – one tall might have to drop out. Expect that to initially be Lewis. The Hawks have the No.4 pick in the upcoming NAB AFL Draft, and also have access to Next Generation Academy talent Connor Downie, so this team could have more additions come December. - Riley Beveridge
B: Blake Hardwick, Kyle Hartigan, Jarman Impey
HB: Damon Greaves,Sam Frost, Jack Scrimshaw
C: Will Day, Tom Mitchell, Tom Phillips
HF: Jack Gunston, Tim O'Brien, Shaun Burgoyne
F: Chad Wingard, Jon Patton, Luke Breust
Foll: Ben McEvoy, James Worpel, Jaeger O'Meara
I/C: Changkuoth Jiath, Tom Scully, James Cousins, Liam Shiels
Emerg: Dan Howe, Jon Ceglar, Mitch Lewis, Harry Morrison
Interesting that he has CJ in the best 22.
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Hoping Finn can get into the 22. If we go a mid with pick 4 would hope they make it too.
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I don't think Frost can Full Back, man.
Plenty of rebound there though.
I love that Forwardline. That's how I had mine.
They can ALL win their own ball if given the chance & Breust, Burgoyne & JO'M all tackle bloody hard. Get it in quick & let them work it out.
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You love that forwardline?
Lewis is young but jury is out whether he will even make it.
Burgoyne should have retired and that’s with total love, it’s embarrassing.
JOM at half forward means our ridiculously shallow midfield is now worse.
Havent logged on in ages and am bemused at this stuff. It’s like reading the Richmond board in the Wallace era.
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Our list is worse than anything since 2005. Like it or not.
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Probs should log back out, for ages.
Yes - I love that forwardline - I'd probs change it up a bit, if our list had a couple of different players in it - but it doesn't... It's the 2021 Hypothetical Best 22 thread - kinda implies you need to use the guys on or likely to be on the 2021 list...
I hate the way we move the ball out of defence & I hate the way we deliver the ball to our forwards. But I love the proven ability of the players in that forwardline - Just wish they were given the chance to succeed instead of floundering because of our over-conservative game plan.
*and JO'M needs to be 60% HFF, 40% Mid - probs swapping with Wingard who should be the reverse. Only way were getting value or of either is by switching up how we play them. Our midfield gets no better by leaving JO'M in there. If it's ridiculously shallow, we should get more/better midfielders - or just let them play offensively.
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So you love a forward line with no one who can take a mark, no defensive pressure, probably our best midfielder when we were smashed all year in the midfield and a legend of the club who can’t bend over anymore and should be coaching not playing.
Meanwhile players like Hanrahan should be in there but haven’t been led the Hawk way, Mitchington etc aren’t good enough and are failed pickups and a 26 year old O’Brien isn’t there are all the investment.
Our club is a shambles at the moment. I’m happy to be abused for calling it as it is. But I’m less concerned about the list and more about the leadership, but that forward line is the worst on paper in the comp.
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Because that’s when Clarko took them to Kokoda and from day one they played the way that ultimately led us to four flags and talked about as one of the greatest ever teams.
it’s starts with attitude and I watched them this year play in an insipid way that can be forgiven but not accepted.
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Hang on, 3 posts so you said it was the worst list in 15 years, now it's the leadership at fault?
The forwardline performs terribly, because we give them no chance to succeed.
A 26yr old Buddy could perform under these conditions. Jeremy Cameron probs could, to a lesser extent. Cyril probs could & Rory Lobb the other.
I can't think of another forward in the last decade that could perform well the way we bring the ball into the forwardline - given that - I don't hate the forwards, it simply isn't their fault alone.
Can't take a mark? Why not kick it to their advantage?
Can't apply pressure? Because we're terribly outnumbered at the fall of the ball & the opposition frequently marks on the intercept.
You want Hanrahan in there, yet you bemoan the state of the list?
Brant
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So it's a coaching & culture issue?
I thought it was a list problem?
*& I agree, that was all great stuff... just don't know how it affects the 2021 Best 22 thread unless you're suggesting we should get back to this kinda stuff - which will be tough amongst international travel restrictions & budgeting
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