List Mgmt. Hypothetical trades and wishlists thread

[Glacier]

People haven't read between the lines very well with Stringer it seems.

Plenty of rumours going around about him and his decision making after hours that suggest he's toxic and in a downward spiral.

People are way off the mark

 

[Davo-27]

Trade Possibles: going through the list of uncontracted players in 2017, these appear to be possible diamonds in the rough...

Tom Rockliff (Bris)- contract 3-4 years will give Bris a compo pick
Jake Lever (Adel)- will cost a lot to trade and with contract(maybe too much?)
Caleb Marchbank (Carl)- (uncontracted atm, if Carlton go big on Rockliff, he might be available?)
Jarrod Pickett (Carl)- (uncontracted atm, might be worth picking up for cheap)
Tom Phillips (Coll)- (uncontracted atm, might be worth picking up for cheap)
Harley Balic (Freo)- (uncontracted atm, "on indefinate leave for personal reasons" red flag?
Darcy Lang (Geel)- (uncontracted atm, read in a paper geelong are considering trading him to make space for stringer and ablett???
Josh Schoenfeld (GCS)- (uncontracted atm, young outside runner, might be worth a trade for a nothing pick
Matthew Kennedy (GWS)- (uncontracted atm, could be worth a trade with puopolo?
Devon Smith (GWS)- (uncontracted atm, i hear we might be into him from trade whispers? idk how to feel about this?
Jake Batchelor (Rich)- (uncontracted atm, might be worth a late pick)
Tom Lamb (WCE)- (uncontracted atm, might be worth picking up)

 

[Burtman]

He was but he is not in the player age bracket we are looking at moving forward.

Pretty sure we offered him a contract but he turned us down. Must be abit of money being offered from other clubs

 

[HODGEYROAD]

well heres an example: Dustin Martin is worth about $700k a year in talent, but has a contract of $1.2mill a year for the Tigers and knocked back $1.5mill a year at North, thats a bad deal, even if he plays top quality football he is still taking an extra $500k from Richmonds Salary Cap, which will cost them players now and into the future, it would have been worse for North.

whereas Rockliff is worth about $550-700k depending on the quality of his year, so you are not overpaying because of media involvement hyping up his cost, therefore a fairer amount is paid for the player you are after, even if he has a few years at a level of a $500k a year type player you are only overpaying slightly.

i dont mind slightly overpaying (eg 50-100k over his market price), but paying double a players market price like what Martin, Lever?, Kelly? are going for potentially is bad business, 2 huge examples were Koutafides and Judd whom both went for cash grabs at carlton and weighed down a team that rarely ever missed finals prior to these guys taking double what they were worth and hurting their clubs Salary Cap for greedy cash grabs, but you wont see this reported in the papers, because that would be real journalism...

also the media plays a role in inflating market value by reporting so often on a non-issue and pressuring clubs to auction for a player to then rise his value artificially, its actually a diservice to the game that the media plays such a Salary Cap hurting role

I'm amazed you think Rocky is nearly as good as Dusty.

 

[dajesmac]

Price for Hartung?

Also would someone please be able to provide a short summary of his pro's and cons? Seems quick and small with okay (but not great) disposal. Certainly knows how to find the ball but is he actually damaging? We do like our undersized mids at WC so if we really are interested I'm not shocked.

 

[beta_condition]

Price for Hartung?

Also would someone please be able to provide a short summary of his pro's and cons? Seems quick and small with okay (but not great) disposal. Certainly knows how to find the ball but is he actually damaging? We do like our undersized mids at WC so if we really are interested I'm not shocked.

Gets alot of undeserved hate on this board, can be quite damaging with his run and carry and even disposals at times but seems to have a confidence issue which stops him from going up to the next level, really struggles with pulling the trigger and stepping up to the plate. He can be a bit quite soft but at times has burst of defensive effort where he will ping a much bigger body, just needs to read the play better for when it's his turn to go, we've seen him do it just not enough.

Has the tools to be an A grade player but unless he can get a grip of when it's his turns to go he will remain as a C class player with glimpses of a B grade player.

 

[PhatHQ]

Hawks trying to talk a under 18 player out of playing that has been injured most of this year but is now good to go for finals in his comp already been interviewed twice by club

Sweet!
Must be highly rated.

 

[flinchfree]

Hawks trying to talk a under 18 player out of playing that has been injured most of this year but is now good to go for finals in his comp already been interviewed twice by club

Pretty sure that would be called tampering by the rules committee so not sure how smart it is to be posting the act here.......

 

[seysearles]

Price for Hartung?

Also would someone please be able to provide a short summary of his pro's and cons? Seems quick and small with okay (but not great) disposal. Certainly knows how to find the ball but is he actually damaging? We do like our undersized mids at WC so if we really are interested I'm not shocked.

He's a mix between Dangerfield and Martin. Two first rounders please. Would you like that gift wrapped?

 

[MacMace]

Could Stringers behaviour be linked to a team mate and the mum of his kids hooking up? Whispers of this have been circulating most of this year. If true, I suspect this situation could impact significantly on not just Stringer but also some of his close mates at the club that may despise such a dog act. If removed from the situation his behavior may be improved, but would probably still be a big gamble.

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[halfback dasher]

Price for Hartung?

Also would someone please be able to provide a short summary of his pro's and cons? Seems quick and small with okay (but not great) disposal. Certainly knows how to find the ball but is he actually damaging? We do like our undersized mids at WC so if we really are interested I'm not shocked.

Swap for Gaff who wants to come home , maybe a swap of picks somewhere .

 

[matsta1975]

We looking for our next Burton?

Pretty sure that would be called tampering by the rules committee so not sure how smart it is to be posting the act here.......

Tampering no medical advice and rehab yes

 

[Holy Rioli]

People haven't read between the lines very well with Stringer it seems.

Plenty of rumours going around about him and his decision making after hours that suggest he's toxic and in a downward spiral.

Did lol.

 

[WWSD]

Swap for Gaff who wants to come home, maybe a swap of picks somewhere .

If you know something, say something.

 

[KermitJagger]

Geelong need to keep adding experienced players to their list or else they're cooked, as they have barely any youth coming through.

Essendon throw themselves at anything and everything, because they fail so consistently at recruiting names. Throwing more darts, in hope.

They're much worse off than we are for youth, the only decent youngster they have coming through is Nakia Cockatoo.

 

[Glacier]

When are we likely to hear of delistings ?

 

[KermitJagger]

When are we likely to hear of delistings ?

We typically wait until after the B&F don't we? But I guess other years we were playing finals. Ugh.

On another note; Jesse Lonergan from GCS. Doesn't get too much of a go in the guts at the Gold Coast, could thrive in a different environment and is only 22? Could be cheap as well.

 

[Davo-27]

I'm amazed you think Rocky is nearly as good as Dusty.

i'm amazed at how the media has brainwashed you into thinking Dusty is more than just a really good player...

 

[KermitJagger]

i'm amazed at how the media has brainwashed you into thinking Dusty is more than just a really good player...

I actually half agree with you there. Danger is lucky he didn't go to a club like North because he would have been caught out for how many points his turnovers concede without that Rance and Vlastuin led defence.

That being said he still is better than Rockliff, but it's horses for courses. Richmond need a player like Dusty because they lack class on the outside, so his kicking ability is worth more to them. Hawthorn on the other hand have players to get it out to, but we only have Tom doing the accumulating. Rocky at 700-800k for us would be worth just as much as Dusty for more.

 

[Noneedforaname]

Geelong need to keep adding experienced players to their list or else they're cooked, as they have barely any youth coming through.

Essendon throw themselves at anything and everything, because they fail so consistently at recruiting names. Throwing more darts, in hope.

Yeah, of course I undertand about their needs.

Serious nature of the problem aside, the situation is just a happy coincidence, with some delicious irony sprinkled on top.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

i'm amazed at how the media has brainwashed you into thinking Dusty is more than just a really good player...

Wow

Nothing to do with the media at all. All it takes is to watch him play.

 

[Davo-27]

lets compare the pair

Dustin Martin over 5 years (113 games)(26 years old)
Disp - 3093(27.4), Disp Eff - 67%, Cont Poss - 10.2pg, Marks - 4.6pg, Clearances - 4pg, Tackles - 3.3pg, Goals - 1pg, Goal Assist - 0.73pg, Clangers - 4.2pg, 1%er's - 1pg

Tom Rockliff over 5 years (92 games)(27 years old)
Disp - 2546(27.7), Disp Eff - 69%, Cont Poss - 11.1pg, Marks - 4.7pg, Clearances - 5.6pg, Tackles - 6.9pg, Goals - 0.58pg, Goal Assist - 0.46pg, Clangers - 3.1pg, 1%er's - 1pg

media hype sure helps inflate value of players amongst the masses of sheeple... but in all seriousness, Martin has had an amazing year this year, in comparison to Rockliffs worst year, i have never based judgement of a player on 1 year alone, mainly because you could be looking at a snapshot of their best or worst rather than a gauge of what they usually and will contribute...

 

[Ned Ryerson]

lets compare the pair

Dustin Martin over 5 years (113 games)(26 years old)
Disp - 3093(27.4), Disp Eff - 67%, Cont Poss - 10.2pg, Marks - 4.6pg, Clearances - 4pg, Tackles - 3.3pg, Goals - 1pg, Goal Assist - 0.73pg, Clangers - 4.2pg, 1%er's - 1pg

Tom Rockliff over 5 years (92 games)(27 years old)
Disp - 2546(27.7), Disp Eff - 69%, Cont Poss - 11.1pg, Marks - 4.7pg, Clearances - 5.6pg, Tackles - 6.9pg, Goals - 0.58pg, Goal Assist - 0.46pg, Clangers - 3.1pg, 1%er's - 1pg

media hype sure helps inflate value of players amongst the masses of sheeple... but in all seriousness, Martin has had an amazing year this year, in comparison to Rockliffs worst year, i have never based judgement of a player on 1 year alone, mainly because you could be looking at a snapshot of their best or worst rather than a gauge of what they usually and will contribute...

Yet people offered 7-figure deals for Martin and the Lions couldn't give Rockliff away last year. Must all be sheeple too.

You can compare Chris Judd and Luke Hodge on a stat line and you will find that they are very similar - with both players leading a few indicators each. Who was the more influential player though? There is a lot more to a player than their stats.

 

[HolyRioli]

Price for Hartung?

Also would someone please be able to provide a short summary of his pro's and cons? Seems quick and small with okay (but not great) disposal. Certainly knows how to find the ball but is he actually damaging? We do like our undersized mids at WC so if we really are interested I'm not shocked.

Poor man's Gaff

 

[Davo-27]

Yet people offered 7-figure deals for Martin and the Lions couldn't give Rockliff away last year. Must all be sheeple too.

You can compare Chris Judd and Luke Hodge on a stat line and you will find that they are very similar - with both players leading a few indicators each. Who was the more influential player though? There is a lot more to a player than their stats.

its all water for courses, some say Judd was better than Hodge outside of out footy club, but thats what the media hype does, it blinds you to critical thinking.... is Martin worth more than Rockliff right now? yes, i even have in my original post that Martin is approx $700k of value and Rockliff depending on his year is $550k-700k value.... i dont believe any player in the league is worth 10-15% of the Salary Cap which is what $1.2mill a year is approx

there are more sheeple that believe in fairy tales than you might think, look at all these clubs fighting over top 10 draft picks thinking they will all be champions, when its more like 6 out of the top 10 will gain them any player of value..... reality is overlooked for fantasies everywhere