Ian Collins attack on St Kilda

[Boxhead_31]

This is grand final prize money, I'm pretty sure the AFL keep all the finals gate takings etc.

I remember in 2007 during the "Roosistence", that it was calculated that North related finals matches had contributed over $60,000,000 in finals revenue but North had never seen a cent.

What?!?! the Roos three finals games that year made $20million each

 

[Blues_Man]

I don't like the bloke ..but he's reply seems pretty much spot on..the Saints have had a few issues they need to look at first before they go pointing fingers.

 

[Kwality]

St Kilda fans don't like the G (they say so themselves) and rarely turn up in huge numbers.

You realise you have to get a crowd of 30K+ at the MCG to even think about making a profit?

Hard to be sympathetic for a club that its own fans dont go to the games.
Same paralysis as the Melbourne members who wont travel to Docklands?

Collo has always called a spade a spade - not one of the caring/sharing sorts !! Imagine if he raised his voice: shock horror.

 

[Kwality]

Nettefold is the highest paid CEO in the AFL. Maybe they should cut his salary.

Rubbish, Perty is first to the trough, supplemented by directorships including the company that owns radio station SEN.
He's had to earn every cent though cleaning up the pubs debacle, only dropping $8 mil.

 

[finders]

Collingwood sponserships = $22Million

St Kilda sponserships = $ 6 Million a whopping $16 Million difference look no further to see why St Kilda is losing money

 

[Falchoon]

Fair point, Collo.

If you look at what has changed from 2010 its not the stadium deal.

stadium deal was shit in 2010

 

[jacko57]

If Collo says "It's a nice day", I grab an umbrella.

 

[Falchoon]

The home ground advantage they have managed to create at Etihad has actually helped them make Grand Finals two years running.


Etihad is a boutique stadium and as such the major tenants have the opportunity to make it a genuine home ground against certain teams who dont play there very often. StKilda did that to great advantage in 09 and 10.

in those 2 years they lost 5 games at Etihad and and a grand total of 3 elsewhere

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

stadium deal was shit in 2010

It was the same stadium deal as 2011 though yet theres a 3 mil turnaround in profit

 

[SA1NTER]

If Collo says "It's a nice day", I grab an umbrella.

Ditto.

 

[Father Jack]

Racking up a few PR points at the expense of his relationship with St Kilda hardly seems good business by Collins.

 

[saintgary]

Sure Collo is correct to an extent. The Saints can't just blame the stadium deal for their huge loss. But, that doesn't change the fact that it is still a terrible deal. The stadium deal is a major reason why the Saints made a huge loss. I understand that the Saints made profits the past 2 years, but those profits would have been much bigger had it not been for the poor stadium deal with Eithad.

Collo as always is trying to divert away from the real facts.

 

[a_fighting_fury]

St Kilda fans don't like the G (they say so themselves) and rarely turn up in huge numbers.

You realise you have to get a crowd of 30K+ at the MCG to even think about making a profit?

St Kilda fans dont like the best stadium in the southern hemisphere?

*long pause*

I find that hard to swallow.

 

[Falchoon]

It was the same stadium deal as 2011 though yet theres a 3 mil turnaround in profit

yes, 4 extra weeks of finals and a better than 1 & 8 start will make a considerable difference.

Stadium deal was still shit in 2010

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Sure Collo is correct to an extent. The Saints can't just blame the stadium deal for their huge loss. But, that doesn't change the fact that it is still a terrible deal. The stadium deal is a major reason why the Saints made a huge loss. I understand that the Saints made profits the past 2 years, but those profits would have been much bigger had it not been for the poor stadium deal with Eithad.

Collo as always is trying to divert away from the real facts.

So in summary Collo is absolutely right, but hes wrong.

 

[Kwality]

Most clubs play a lot of football at the MCG and are genuine co-tenants to Collingwood. The MCG hosts twice as many games as Etihad so many clubs get the opportunity to play a lot of games there, not just Collingwood.

Etihad is a boutique stadium and as such the major tenants have the opportunity to make it a genuine home ground against certain teams who dont play there very often. StKilda did that to great advantage in 09 and 10.

Maybe you'd list the clubs & the number of MCG appearances to support your clai Timmy.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

yes, they did remarkably well in 2010

So why the big turnaround? StKildas crowds were presumably just the same and the Etihad deal was the same so presumably the Etihad piece of the income would not be radically different.

Where did the money go?

Less sponsorship?
Seaford?
Legal fees, hotel accomodation and termination payments?
PR videos?

 

[Kwality]

Sure Collo is correct to an extent. The Saints can't just blame the stadium deal for their huge loss. But, that doesn't change the fact that it is still a terrible deal. The stadium deal is a major reason why the Saints made a huge loss. I understand that the Saints made profits the past 2 years, but those profits would have been much bigger had it not been for the poor stadium deal with Eithad.

Collo as always is trying to divert away from the real facts.

Bombons got a GREAT DEAL, nothing left for the rest, the clubs were picked off one by one ... North squeal the loudest .... anything else on the Etihad deal, is 2025 as close as 1999, get a perspective.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Maybe you'd list the clubs & the number of MCG appearances to support your clai Timmy.

Do it yourself.

I'll give you a start. There were 47 home and away games last year at the MCG, so thats 94 times a team appeared at the MCG during a year. Collingwood, is only 14 out of that 94.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Ian Collins is a **** and always has been. He has no right to come out and say those things.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Ian Collins is a **** and always has been. He has no right to come out and say those things.

Even *****s are entitled to their opinions.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Even *****s are entitled to their opinions.

So if I run a business and then start slamming my clients who make me money in a public forum, you think that's okay to do? Seriously lol.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

yes, 4 extra weeks of finals and a better than 1 & 8 start will make a considerable difference.

Stadium deal was still shit in 2010

Finals dont make a 3 mil difference. The poor onfield start was largely due to StKildas terrible off field. Nothing to do with Etihad. In fact your first two Etihad home games pulled very good crowds.

 

[Falchoon]

So why the big turnaround? StKildas crowds were presumably just the same and the Etihad deal was the same so presumably the Etihad piece of the income would not be radically different.

Where did the money go?

Less sponsorship?
Seaford?
Legal fees, hotel accomodation and termination payments?
PR videos?

1-8 start and 4 less weeks of finals

under the current stadium agreement the saints won't make money with an average 11 win season, but will if they win 15+

the model needs to be profitable on a 7 win season but can't be with the current stadium agreement.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

So if I run a business and then start slamming my clients who make me money in a public forum, you think that's okay to do? Seriously lol.

Similarly, what's not okay is signing a contract and then acting as if you were coerced into doing so, when clearly, if you were, you would get out of it ASAP.

Then saying you'd get a $2.5 milllion dollar a year windfall by going to a competitor.

Slimy as he may be, he's got his interests to protect as well, and him assuming his right of reply is perfectly legitimate.