How come there is not enough talent to support 18 teams today, when more than 40 years ago there was talent that could support 30 teams?
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- Tas should get the 17th license
- Country footy gets the 18th license (1)
- The two least successful Melbourne teams are relegated to a reconstituted VFA
- Thereafter a promotion/relegation system is used for Vic clubs between the VFA and AFL. (2)
(1) Country footy has long been screwed by the AFL and Covid has compounded the challenges of maintaining footy and netball clubs and comps. Even the best juniors are identified by wealthy pte schools and removed to live in capital cities on scholarships and other slings. (taxpayer funded to boot when assistance to the wealthiest schools is accounted for)
There is an unmined Country-City rivalry that could help drive national country support for a national team representing the Bush. Tentatively they could be called something like the Drovers and play a minimum 12 'home' games in country centres in WA, SA and Vic. Such a team would be well placed to get mining and bush industry sponsorship. Their training base would imo need to be in WA or SA.
Players would receive a COLA type allowance and sign on fees. They would have first access to country kids.
(2) A revitalised VFA and the promotion/relegation system would be attractive to broadcasters and help attract crowds. Initially a maximum of 8 Clubs would be invited - the two relegated AFL teams plus for arguments sake, Port M, Willi, Casey, Box Hill, Frankston and a North Eastern suburbs team.
The Premier is promoted and the lowest ranked Melbourne team in the AFL each season is relegated.
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You wrote that 'WA doesn't want a third team', clearly this is not true, that's the point.
You actually get it. I would not say it is perfect, but 19 despite a team forced to have a bye each round by odd numbers, works in well for the broadcasters wants of more Thursday night football. Fixture much easier to do too as you said.
Greater Western Traralgon could include Morwell. Would be a powerhouse club.
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Albury should get a team.
It is far enough from Sydney
Closer to Melbourne so there is not too much travel
When is Bendigo and Ballart getting teams?
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As much as I want a 3rd license for WA, ACT should get in.
The AFL neglected Canberra 30 years ago where Aussie rules had a following.
The AFL neglected Canberra 30 years ago where Aussie rules had a following.
While you could argue there was no great desire for the Gold Coast region to have an AFL team, it was more the way the AFL went about it which has been a failure.
I've always been of the belief that the AFL missed the mark by not supporting a bid by the Southport Sharks who have not only been a success on the field for many years, but off the field as well with a large membership base and facilities. Instead they chose to manufacture a franchise out of thin air. It was a poor decision in my opinion.
Nothing wrong with 19 teams - if you wanted to you could go to an 18 round season, 9 home / 9 away games.
Otherwise Canberra is the obvious one for me, but as mentioned a lot of the GWS members come from Canberra. But honestly to grow the Giants in Western Sydney, they need to playing every 2nd week there, and get people used to going along.
Otherwise Canberra is the obvious one for me, but as mentioned a lot of the GWS members come from Canberra. But honestly to grow the Giants in Western Sydney, they need to playing every 2nd week there, and get people used to going along.
What about this:
Could we find room for a third AFL team out of WA?
With the Dockers and the Eagles power clubs and a growing population, why wouldn't a third AFL club in WA be a viable proposition?www.theage.com.au
Was that all made up?
It's literally in the article:
The biggest hurdle facing a third WA-based team, is the need for it to be economically and financially viable. Dr. Andrew Williams a senior economics lecturer at the University of Western Australia believes a simple mathematical assessment of WA's population with three teams, and Victoria's population with 10 teams, displays economic feasibility.
The bigger economic concern however, would be getting resources and supporters behind a new team.
"If you're simply diluting what already exists for two teams between three, then there is no real economic benefit. It's about expanding the pie vs just having the same pie and splitting it three ways instead of two," Dr Williams said.
According to who? Some random that wrote an article 6 years ago?
None. Too many spuds in the league as it is.
I don't know if the talent pool is too thin, or the talent identification is just too inept, but another two teams would be a gong show.
I don't know if the talent pool is too thin, or the talent identification is just too inept, but another two teams would be a gong show.
The whole talent argument is BS. what are they comparing it to? There is only one tier one football league, that is guaranteed to get the best players.
With more parts of the country playing and modern professionalism there has never been more talent
Canberra or WA but not Perth CBD, e.g. more a Bunbury, Mandurah, Rockingham type based club.
After 10 years in western Sydney, GWS is only drawing about 10k locals per home game and about 30/40k TV viewers in that market. If that is sustainable for them, it is hard to see why the same wouldn’t be the case for an NT team.
The GC and GwS experiment has shown the size of the markets of the 19th or 20th team really don’t matter, so long as the TV numbers for the 10th game are close enough to the numbers the existing 9 get (much like it was going from 8 to 9 games per week). It would be beyond hilarious if 7 had a big part in those locations being selected and they end up losing the TV rights. They paid all that money for the additional game for the last 10 years, only to get an 40k extra viewers in those markets.
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Now I could be wrong but a few years ago I think Gil said he wanted a team in NZ.
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20 teams would be ideal, one extra in TAS and NT but the latter sounds very unviable but the likes of McLeod are fighting to make it a logistical possibility. Move GWS to Canberra and every state/territory has a team. 22 rounds, everyone plays each other once and 3 return games, 1 each from 1-6, 7-13, and 14-20.
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None. 19 teams is almost perfect for the fixture.
Each team plays each other once, 9 home and 9 away, with a reverse fixture the following year.
This provides a much fairer fixture as there will be less issues re: Who has to travel x times or how many games Vic teams play at MCG/Marvel. It also means oddities like Fremantle v Essendon always being played in Perth will cease to be.
Less games? Won't broadcasters be upset?
I don't see this as being as issue for anyone other than Foxtel. Nobody is going to miss the 4.10pm Saturday or 6.20pm Sunday games are they? They'd be saving money on staffing TBH. And we counter this because...
22 or 23 rounds will mean flexible fixtures.
This means the AFL can schedule the real prime time games IN PRIMETIME. With teams getting byes before/after there wont be any issues in getting the better games moved around to ensure maximum exposure. Byes also lead us to...
Players get more rest.
Star players not having to run out an extra 3-4 games a year means they should be fresher for longer. Keeping the marquee players in the game has always been the aim. Having fresh players will also mean...
We can go to a top 10 for finals.
I'm not a huge fan of this but it would be a necessary evil. The double chance would be gone so home ground advantage is what we are playing for.
Week 1 -
8v9
7v10
Week 2 -
1 v 8/9
4 v 5
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2 v 7/10
3 v 6
Week 3 -
1 v 4
2 v 3
Week 4 -
1 v 2
I'd also be pushing really hard for team based streaming options. Would need more data on people's viewing habits but a cheaper ($5-$8 a month?) option to just get your team's games on your phone/laptop/smart TV with audio options ala the AFL app would be something to start investigating.
Each team plays each other once, 9 home and 9 away, with a reverse fixture the following year.
This provides a much fairer fixture as there will be less issues re: Who has to travel x times or how many games Vic teams play at MCG/Marvel. It also means oddities like Fremantle v Essendon always being played in Perth will cease to be.
Less games? Won't broadcasters be upset?
I don't see this as being as issue for anyone other than Foxtel. Nobody is going to miss the 4.10pm Saturday or 6.20pm Sunday games are they? They'd be saving money on staffing TBH. And we counter this because...
22 or 23 rounds will mean flexible fixtures.
This means the AFL can schedule the real prime time games IN PRIMETIME. With teams getting byes before/after there wont be any issues in getting the better games moved around to ensure maximum exposure. Byes also lead us to...
Players get more rest.
Star players not having to run out an extra 3-4 games a year means they should be fresher for longer. Keeping the marquee players in the game has always been the aim. Having fresh players will also mean...
We can go to a top 10 for finals.
I'm not a huge fan of this but it would be a necessary evil. The double chance would be gone so home ground advantage is what we are playing for.
Week 1 -
8v9
7v10
Week 2 -
1 v 8/9
4 v 5
---
2 v 7/10
3 v 6
Week 3 -
1 v 4
2 v 3
Week 4 -
1 v 2
I'd also be pushing really hard for team based streaming options. Would need more data on people's viewing habits but a cheaper ($5-$8 a month?) option to just get your team's games on your phone/laptop/smart TV with audio options ala the AFL app would be something to start investigating.
The Antarctic Penguins.
Canberra
Then
FITZROY
Then
FITZROY
China first then NZ.
Yes people enjoy their footy. Which ever level. And we always will have players much better than others. So what? Long as it’s enjoyable.
What might turn people away these days is all the rule changes.
Canberra-Fitzroy Lions. Brisbane go back to the Bears.
Give the invitation for AFL license to VAFA Fitzroy and if they accept, make it happen in 2024!
I'm very much in favour of a team in Darwin but the above wouldn't work. One of the main challenges for a club there will be player retention due to the location. Imagine how much harder that's going to be when you spend only 5 or 6 weeks of your season in your new home base and the rest of the year in the southern states or in extremely isolated country towns up north. Very few are going to want to sign up for that.
A team based in Darwin (with a game or two down in Alice Springs) is at least manageable as you can attract people who will enjoy the tropical and laid back environment of Darwin, plus you'll have a lot of indigenous players a lot more comfortable in that environment.
18 teams stay. 3 Victorian teams move out to the states/territories without teams.
North to Tassie
WB to Canberra
Geel to NT
North to Tassie
WB to Canberra
Geel to NT
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If I were gonna relocate to keep it to 18 teams, I'd go North to Tassie, Giants to Canberra, Dogs to NT. But NT needs the infrastructure to get the players used to colder conditions during the season and training in cooler pre-season conditions. I'm not sure player retention would be too big of a problem for the NT if it's mostly a local Indigenous team with well-funded academy development support and extra cap room to attract older players that are more interested in the $$$ before retirement than the party lifestyle younger players take into account.
edit: club songs would need to change, bulldogs one is the easiest fix, "sons of the west" and "we're the team of the mighty west" change west to north and name to "the bulldogs."
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