Rumour If the audio doing the rounds of Tom Morris is accurate his career at fox is over

[Grin]

What planet are you posting from?

What?
I'm not doing year 10 at Carey Grammar if that's what you mean.

 

[Sun Ra]

I heard that Bevo's Media Dirt Unit at the Doggies was already well respected by the footy "journos" but I reckon they really rate it now.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

What?
I'm not doing year 10 at Carey Grammar if that's what you mean.

You’re living in some fantasy land if you don’t think most blokes have ever objectified an attractive woman with their mates in private.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

You're shifting the goal posts.

"What do you think is the more likely reaction from her? Will she be feeling flattered, or humiliated? Being mentioned here is akin to making some year 9's 'top 10 classmates for spank bank material' list."

How she feels about being 'outed' or talked about that way is a distinct issue from whether what he said is 'homophobic'.

" And here we have this ******* co-worker of hers showing just how much respect he has for her by objectifying her and using what I think could be reasonably considered a homophobic slur to out her. "

How is he objectifying her? Specifically? He said she is hot, good fun, but (in a crude way) lesbian. Where is the so-called 'objectification'? If you want to really split hairs, well I hate to break it to you, but we all objectify each other in life: 'smart', 'dumb', handsome, ugly, etc. How is that any different than a woman calling a man 'short', or 'poor' etc.? Ohh wait, a woman stating that merely has 'preferences'.

Where is the 'homophobia' (which is defined as a 'hatred' of homosexuals?). Please point to the part of the audio where he expressed his hatred for those homosexual? Are you suggesting his intent was to publicly out her? If so, where is your evidence? A phone call (admittedly a stupid voice message) between a friend's circle hardly qualifies. It was only made public because one of his circle passed it on (and from what has been stating, is probably no longer going to be a 'friend').

"But beyond that, it's the perception. You know, "I/you would be in for sure if not for her sexual orientation". That old toxic masculinity."

WTF. How is it toxic masculinity to not be into someone because they don't have corresponding sexual preferences? If anything, indirectly, that is respect for different sexual preferences. I question whether you have live around a broad variety of people to full understand the meaning of your words.

What is it with people just throwing labels at situations.

What a load of rubbish.

• Whose goalposts am I moving? Whether the words were homophobic or not is but one part of the issue, which as the title of this thread would indicate is "Tom Morris' career at Fox is over". The completely unacceptable way he has spoken about a fellow staff member and presumably the negative reaction that she has had to it, is precisely why Fox has turfed him so swiftly.
• If it's specifics you're after, counsel, the distinction is that objectification based on your lust for a co-worker is probably not okay.
• Your definition of "homophobia" is flawed. It's actually a prejudice or even simply a dislike of an LGBTI+ person. His description of her with a derogatory term that a 15 year old would use applies, as far as I'm concerned.
• It's toxic masculinity, the inference that he's creating, that if she was attracted to men, then it would be on for young and old. In other words, that any hetero woman is fair game, for ladies man Morris. That's absolute textbook toxic masculinity. And if you can't see the problem, I'd turn it back on you and suggest that if you don't recognise the issue with saying that about a co-worker, I don't think you've been around enough workplaces to comment.

 

[Grin]

You’re living in some fantasy land if you don’t think most blokes have ever objectified an attractive woman with their mates in private.

OK. You think those 2 videos are examples acceptable adult behavior and that all men talk like that.
We obviously move in very different circles.

 

[bomberclifford]

You're shifting the goal posts.

"What do you think is the more likely reaction from her? Will she be feeling flattered, or humiliated? Being mentioned here is akin to making some year 9's 'top 10 classmates for spank bank material' list."

How she feels about being 'outed' or talked about that way is a distinct issue from whether what he said is 'homophobic'.

" And here we have this ******* co-worker of hers showing just how much respect he has for her by objectifying her and using what I think could be reasonably considered a homophobic slur to out her. "

How is he objectifying her? Specifically? He said she is hot, good fun, but (in a crude way) lesbian. Where is the so-called 'objectification'? If you want to really split hairs, well I hate to break it to you, but we all objectify each other in life: 'smart', 'dumb', handsome, ugly, etc. How is that any different than a woman calling a man 'short', or 'poor' etc.? Ohh wait, a woman stating that merely has 'preferences'.

Where is the 'homophobia' (which is defined as a 'hatred' of homosexuals?). Please point to the part of the audio where he expressed his hatred for those homosexual? Are you suggesting his intent was to publicly out her? If so, where is your evidence? A phone call (admittedly a stupid voice message) between a friend's circle hardly qualifies. It was only made public because one of his circle passed it on (and from what has been stating, is probably no longer going to be a 'friend').

"But beyond that, it's the perception. You know, "I/you would be in for sure if not for her sexual orientation". That old toxic masculinity."

WTF. How is it toxic masculinity to not be into someone because they don't have corresponding sexual preferences? If anything, indirectly, that is respect for different sexual preferences. I question whether you have live around a broad variety of people to full understand the meaning of your words.

What is it with people just throwing labels at situations.

If you can't detect the tone of Morris' audio recording then I'm not sure what anyone can say to you.

He was delivering a line to his followers. "I'm in the know lads. I've got the inside word. She's a lesbian. Fwoaaar!"

He in no way was showing respect to her or being supportive of her sexuality. He reduced it to a single sexual act that was objectifying in its nature.

You trying to argue the point with a brand new alt account doesn't change that fact.

 

[gambinogambino]

If you can't detect the tone of Morris' audio recording then I'm not sure what anyone can say to you.

He was delivering a line to his followers. "I'm in the know lads. I've got the inside word. She's a lesbian. Fwoaaar!"

He in no way was showing respect to her or being supportive of her sexuality. He reduced it to a single sexual act that was objectifying in its nature.

You trying to argue the point with a brand new alt account doesn't change that fact.

Have I stepped into a post grad female studies class?

Do you have any exposure to real men and women?

You do realise both talk about the other in crude terms at times?

You do realise we don't spend every conversation being 'supportive' of others, 'omg omg wonderful person supportive supportive'.

What is the 'single sexual act' that was objectifying in nature?

 

[gambinogambino]

OK. You think those 2 videos are examples acceptable adult behavior and that all men talk like that.
We obviously move in very different circles.

He said she's attractive, fun, great company, but a lesbian (albeit with a crude term).

What is your issue exactly with that? You've never advised someone who was potentially interested in someone else that they play for the other team?

Methinks you haven't move much far from the university campus. Try living in Sydney, Amsterdam, Berlin etc and then get back to me.

 

[gambinogambino]

What a load of rubbish.

• Whose goalposts am I moving? Whether the words were homophobic or not is but one part of the issue, which as the title of this thread would indicate is "Tom Morris' career at Fox is over". The completely unacceptable way he has spoken about a fellow staff member and presumably the negative reaction that she has had to it, is precisely why Fox has turfed him so swiftly.
• If it's specifics you're after, counsel, the distinction is that objectification based on your lust for a co-worker is probably not okay.
• Your definition of "homophobia" is flawed. It's actually a prejudice or even simply a dislike of an LGBTI+ person. His description of her with a derogatory term that a 15 year old would use applies, as far as I'm concerned.
• It's toxic masculinity, the inference that he's creating, that if she was attracted to men, then it would be on for young and old. In other words, that any hetero woman is fair game, for ladies man Morris. That's absolute textbook toxic masculinity. And if you can't see the problem, I'd turn it back on you and suggest that if you don't recognise the issue with saying that about a co-worker, I don't think you've been around enough workplaces to comment.

You're dealing in conjecture, not absolutes. Why is it completely unacceptable? "Presumably the negative reaction"? So not facts, your supposition. I'm asking you to provide concrete specifics.

"Objectification based on lust is 'probably' not ok." Hate to break it to you, but again, we all objectify each other every day of our lives. You desire a quality in a friend, lover, employee, employer, etc.? We'll you're ultimately objectifying. Spare me the sanctimonious university-grade feminist posturing.

He hasn't actually expressed 'lust', other than saying she's hot. Has he physically expressed a desire to do something with her? Even so, so what, you're saying lusting after a co-worker is not ok? You do realise before 20 years ago the majority of relationships were started in the workplace?

"as far as your concerned". No its a dictionary definition of homophobia I've drawn on. But if we follow your definition, where in the audio did he express dislike of her? Give me the precise words used that conveyed that.

So tell me, how is telling a friend that a co-worker of yours is hot, but lesbian, an 'issue'?

 

[Grin]

He said she's attractive, fun, great company, but a lesbian (albeit with a crude term).

What is your issue exactly with that? You've never advised someone who was potentially interested in someone else that they play for the other team?

Methinks you haven't move much far from the university campus. Try living in Sydney, Amsterdam, Berlin etc and then get back to me.

An entirely predictable response. Even though you come across as intellectually lazy, naive and immature, you've got a degree in life from the university of hard knocks, and so you reckon you're an expert on everything. On this topic, I imagine you've watched a 15 minute incel vid on youtube and are now an expert on bishes and hos.

 

[gambinogambino]

You're a sensitive snowflake aren't you. Pretty ironic when your type are always telling others, especially women and people from minority groups to harden TFU.
Maybe a sizable minority of adolescents (the immature ones) and Murdoch drones do talk like that. Most men don't. Maybe time for you to man up.

Is this the satire channel?

 

[gambinogambino]

An entirely predictable response. Even though you come across as intellectually lazy, naive and immature, you've got a degree in life from the university of hard knocks, and so you reckon you're an expert on everything. On this topic, I imagine you've watched a 15 minute incel vid on youtube and are now an expert on bishes and hos.

If you had any intellect, you'd be able to factually and logically dismiss my questions to you.

But you can't.

You resort to ad hominem, personal attacks.

 

[bomberclifford]

What is the 'single sexual act' that was objectifying in nature?

"She's got her liquor license... and she's very good at it."

 

[Byron_Clanger]

If I were Tom Morris I'd never be trusted any of those guys in that group chat or whatever that was ever again. That's dog act worthy to leak out private convos with your 'friends'

 

[gambinogambino]

"She's got her liquor license... and she's very good at it."

So why is that objectifying? And why is it a big deal to point out someone's sexuality (albeit in crude terms)?

You do realise we all objectify each other in life, right?

 

[Sun Ra]

If I were Tom Morris I'd never be trusted any of those guys in that group chat or whatever that was ever again. That's dog act worthy to leak out private convos with your 'friends'

Maybe the lesson is "don't piss Bevo off" ? Leaks ?, he's had a few and maybe knows how to return the compliment ? Real bad if this is true though,
re: the person thrown under the bus who didn't have any skin in the Morris v Bevo game.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

You're dealing in conjecture, not absolutes. Why is it completely unacceptable? "Presumably the negative reaction"? So not facts, your supposition. I'm asking you to provide concrete specifics.

"Objectification based on lust is 'probably' not ok." Hate to break it to you, but again, we all objectify each other every day of our lives. You desire a quality in a friend, lover, employee, employer, etc.? We'll you're ultimately objectifying. Spare me the sanctimonious university-grade feminist posturing.

He hasn't actually expressed 'lust', other than saying she's hot. Has he physically expressed a desire to do something with her? Even so, so what, you're saying lusting after a co-worker is not ok? You do realise before 20 years ago the majority of relationships were started in the workplace?

"as far as your concerned". No its a dictionary definition of homophobia I've drawn on. But if we follow your definition, where in the audio did he express dislike of her? Give me the precise words used that conveyed that.

So tell me, how is telling a friend that a co-worker of yours is hot, but lesbian, an 'issue'?

Did International Women's Day strike a nerve or something?

Let's see how defiant Tom Morris is tonight. By your reckoning he's done nothing wrong and has nothing to feel sorry about, let alone ashamed (anyone want to take odds on whether he says how ashamed he is?).

Let me ask you a question, since you're so eager to get everyone else to spell things out for you: you've said multiple times that "liquor licence" is a crude term. Why?

 

[Sun Ra]

Did International Women's Day strike a nerve or something?

Let's see how defiant Tom Morris is tonight. By your reckoning he's done nothing wrong and has nothing to feel sorry about, let alone ashamed (anyone want to take odds on whether he says how ashamed he is?).

Let me ask you a question, since you're so eager to get everyone else to spell things out for you: you've said multiple times that "liquor licence" is a crude term. Why?

Here is how defiant he is - from The Age,

Following his removal, after several years as an increasingly prominent reporter with Fox Sports, Morris issued an unreserved apology to the colleague and to the “many” to whom the comments were hurtful.
“I would like to unconditionally apologise to everyone for my disgusting and disgraceful comments, which became public yesterday,” Morris said on Twitter. “I am especially sorry to the person involved. No one should ever, in any place, or at any time, be spoken about in that way.

“I am deeply ashamed at my behaviour. My comments were hurtful to many and I will now take the time to listen, learn and work to improve myself, ensuring that I become a better person. I am truly sorry to everyone.″⁣

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Here is how defiant he is - from The Age,

Following his removal, after several years as an increasingly prominent reporter with Fox Sports, Morris issued an unreserved apology to the colleague and to the “many” to whom the comments were hurtful.
“I would like to unconditionally apologise to everyone for my disgusting and disgraceful comments, which became public yesterday,” Morris said on Twitter. “I am especially sorry to the person involved. No one should ever, in any place, or at any time, be spoken about in that way.

“I am deeply ashamed at my behaviour. My comments were hurtful to many and I will now take the time to listen, learn and work to improve myself, ensuring that I become a better person. I am truly sorry to everyone.″⁣

I'll be damned.

 

[Borough Blood]

Have I stepped into a post grad female studies class?

You know your argument is strong when you pull out this dinger.

 

[Engimal v3]

What?
I'm not doing year 10 at Carey Grammar if that's what you mean.

That's what I keep saying

If you actually talk like this beyond the age of 16, you're a ****in goose lol

 

[Some Idiot]

You’re living in some fantasy land if you don’t think most blokes have ever objectified an attractive woman with their mates in private.

Have most blokes fetishized a co-worker in such a vulgar manner? I doubt it. There's a big difference between calling someone you don't work with attractive compared to saying a co-worker "has her licker license and is good at it".

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Have most blokes fetishized a co-worker in such a vulgar manner? I doubt it. There's a big difference between calling someone you don't work with attractive compared to saying a co-worker "has her licker license and is good at it".

Reckon you’ve been living under a rock if you don’t think most blokes between 18-30 haven’t sad some pretty crass things about women with their mates.

 

[Some Idiot]

Reckon you’ve been living under a rock if you don’t think most blokes between 18-30 haven’t sad some pretty crass things about women with their mates.

1. It's a co-worker - saying stuff like this about co-worker has been a reason for instant dismissal for decades now. I have never heard anyone talk like that about a co-worker.
2. The level of crassness is beyond almost anything I can recall. Sure guys will say 'she has a nice ass' or 'I would hit that' but I can maybe remember maybe one occasion where someone said something along the lines of "I bet she sucks dick good" (which is similar to his licker license and good at it comment) and it made everyone else in the room very uncomfortable.

 

[Grin]

That's what I keep saying

If you actually talk like this beyond the age of 16, you're a fu**in goose lol

Pure speculation, but I suspect Morris has been desperately trying to be one of the boys and trying to impress people who have no respect for him. He makes comments like this and someone in a group, who despises him and thinks he's a pain in the arse who should piss off, is disgusted by the comment and leaks it.