Preview In the scenario that:

[knightwheelrqr]

Travis Cloke - GC: This would leave us with a KPF combo of Dawes and Jack Anthony which isn't necessarily bad, but Cloke would be a big loss. It would then become top priority to draft with our first selection the best available KPF. Which at this stage in my view could be Tom Lynch. I would also look into a trade for Matthew Panos. Matthew Pavlich and Brendan Fevola would be the best KPF targets, but their currency is too high and I don't see either club being greatly willing to part with their star KPFs. Matthew Panos is a rookie for the Western Bull Dogs. Has been great at VFL level in his first season kicking a few bags of 4 or 5 goals. Was really keen on him last season as a draft prospect and I'd make a pretty agressive play for him. Panos is in the mold of Matthew Lloyd, great on the lead, dead eye dick when it comes to shots on goal and already has a pretty ready to play body which is a bonus.

Jack Anthony - GC: *Read Travis Cloke*. But in addition to this I'd also be looking to add an extra KPD. Maybe Kyle Hartigan who missed out on getting drafted last year, and take him as a rookie.

Cameron Wood -GC: I'd be pretty disappointed if this did occur, would much rather trade him onto perhaps Adelaide in a trade for Chris Knights then look to add another ruckman later on. But ff this was to occur I'd look to add a guy like Orren Stephenson with a late pick who could immediately step in and fill Jolly's shoes if necessary. I'd also look to trade into Jack Fitzpatrick (Melbourne) who could develop into a future athletic ruckman.

Josh Fraser - asks for trade/ retires: If this scenario occurs I'd probably make a play for David Hale. Ideal backup to Darren Jolly and can play some minutes forward which was our hope for Fraser, though he never seems to have settled into that role all that well. The other possibility could be to give Orren Stephenson a shot with a late pick where he could then become our depth ruckman who could come into the side in the scenairo that Jolly was injured.

Tyson Goldsack - GC: Take no action and proceed as usual.
*In truth it wouldn't structurally hurt us like the other scenarios which is why we wouldn't need to bring in a replacement player, but he would still be a significant loss*

 

[TradeDraft]

Well at the Moment those are the names linked too GC.

All are Talls and No Mids

 

[The Big League]

I don't think Goldy would move. I'd be shattered if he did. One of my favorite players.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Well at the Moment those are the names linked too GC.

All are Talls and No Mids

GC I expect will be interested in talls because it often takes a few years for the to develop. So might since they have the chance to add KPPs + rucks they might as well use this opportunity as well as drafting the quality talls early in the draft.

Like everyone I certainly don't want to see any of these players leave. They are all significant assets and at worst could be traded for better compensation than we would receive from GC, and hopefully in the form of another player who can contribute immediately.

One interesting thing with the draft picks is that for example if Cloke goes to GC. We could get a 1st round selection. Perhaps this could open up the option to select a KPF + a smaller forward who might be able to fit into our side and contribute straight away. Or otherwise the pick could work as an additional trading chip. So we could offer x2 1st rounders in addition to something else for perhaps a star KPF from a team who might be looking to rebuild.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I don't think Goldy would move. I'd be shattered if he did. One of my favorite players.

Of those players I'd say he would be the less likely to be targeted in that he is not a KPP/ ruckman. But it could still be dangerous because he is still a fringe player for us and I also see him as being a player they could fit into their best 22 for a long time. While it might take till 2011 on the Collingwood list for him to find that regular spot because of our great depth down back.

He would have little value in terms of compensation so I would say he would be amongst the worst guys to lose of that list with possibly Cloke who has the highest perceived value of those mentioned because he is the only "regular" in 2010 possibly and the least bad to lose because he would likely earn us a 1st rounder as opposed to a 3rd rounder which Goldsack likely would get us.

 

[Jonno_]

In the scenario that a few of those go - I would think we escaped the threat that the Gold Coast potentially offers pretty well. The only two I would genuinely disappointed about are Goldsack and Cloke, and more so Goldsack. I still think Goldy has the potential to be an absolute monster of a defender. Cloke is obviously important too. I don't think Goldy will go though - if you watched the interview at the end of the Richmond game he said "You couldn't ask for a better bunch of blokes". I think he is a loyal and determined chap.

I think a scenario in which Josh, Cam or Jack go is actually not too bad. I don't think any of them have the potential to be starting 22 at the club (save maybe, on his day, Cam). I've never been a fan of Jack however. I think he is too easily beaten mentally.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

In the scenario that a few of those go - I would think we escaped the threat that the Gold Coast potentially offers pretty well. The only two I would genuinely disappointed about are Goldsack and Cloke, and more so Goldsack. I still think Goldy has the potential to be an absolute monster of a defender. Cloke is obviously important too.

I think a scenario in which Josh, Cam or Jack go is actually not too bad. I don't think any of them have the potential to be starting 22 at the club (save maybe, on his day, Cam). I've never been a fan of Jack however. I think he is too easily beaten mentally.

Only one of those players could go to Gold Coast. But would be disappointing to see any of them go really. We have a strong group together currently and a chance to win grand finals. All these players with a big preseason could be part of it.

Josh could ask for a trade (maybe Hawthorn might want him) or retire. With Leigh Brown playing well if really makes it hard for him after Darren Jolly's arrival.

Wood I would be disappointed to see go to GC, because he could be a handy trade chip for us if he wants to move to another club and also I'm not entirely sure that he would become no.1 ruckman there either. He is a South Australian and both SA clubs need another reasonable ruckman, so he could possibly get us something if he decides he wants to head back home to get more opportunities. Would be best for both parties really.

Jack I like for his ability to play either end because in the case of injury he could come in and replace anyone which is ideal.

I wouldn't say they don't have the potential to be best 22, but certainly at this point in time they are not because other players have pushed ahead of them.

 

[mattys123]

Only one of those players could go to Gold Coast.

Technically speaking, they could all go to the GC, as long as they are out of contract.

Yes, the GC can only take one uncontracted player under the compensation scheme, but this doesn't stop them from offering big money to a player who can then just nominate for the pre season draft.

The GC will pick up at least one, and more likely 2-3 players through the PSD, and one of them could be from Collingwood.

If I was to rate the likeliness of those players leaving the pies for the GC, this would be my order;

1. Wood
2. Anthony
3. Fraser
4. Goldsack
5. Cloke

If the GC offer Wood a big contract, he would be "mad" not to take it IMO, because in my mind he will never be a no.1. ruck at Collingwood, in fact he may not be a no.1. ruck anywhere in the AFL.

In the case that either of these players leave, I can see plenty of contingency plans in place for the loss of each individual.

Losing more then one would hurt us significantly though, although I'm hoping our culture and premiership "clock" position will entice most players to resist the GC.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Technically speaking, they could all go to the GC, as long as they are out of contract.

Yes, the GC can only take one uncontracted player under the compensation scheme, but this doesn't stop them from offering big money to a player who can then just nominate for the pre season draft.

The GC will pick up at least one, and more likely 2-3 players through the PSD, and one of them could be from Collingwood.

If I was to rate the likeliness of those players leaving the pies for the GC, this would be my order;

1. Wood
2. Anthony
3. Fraser
4. Goldsack
5. Cloke

If the GC offer Wood a big contract, he would be "mad" not to take it IMO, because in my mind he will never be a no.1. ruck at Collingwood, in fact he may not be a no.1. ruck anywhere in the AFL.

In the case that either of these players leave, I can see plenty of contingency plans in place for the loss of each individual.

Losing more then one would hurt us significantly though, although I'm hoping our culture and premiership "clock" position will entice most players to resist the GC.

They could make it an 11th player in the scenario that the player they want nominates for the PSD and they take them with the no.1 pick.

But likely only 1 will leave.

On Wood though I'd say that he would be better off in Adelaide. I think Gorringe/ Lycett (GC will take one of the pair in the top 10) will go past him in a few years time. Then in addition to this they currently have Zac Smith who is a 205cm ruckman who likewise I think would be ahead of Wood in the pecking order.

If he went to Port Adelaide he would be no.2 to Brogan, and in probably another seasons time when he retires would become the no.1 ruckman. And in Adelaide probably straight away would become no.1 ruckman since they don't have players over 200cm, then they could have one of their surplus of undersized ruckman back him up.

My order at this stage in terms of leaving for the Gold Coast:
1. Cloke (Most valueable and somewhat concerning that he hasn't yet resigned)
2. Wood
3. Jack
4. Goldsack
5. Fraser (Won't go to GC, but chance to retire/ ask for trade)

 

[TradeDraft]

Why do people think that Wood is the Most Likely to go.

I have JA and Goldsack ahead of Wood

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Why do people think that Wood is the Most Likely to go.

I have JA and Goldsack ahead of Wood

I'd say Wood because he is a ruckman. Also the least likely to break into the team as a regular.

JA doesn't really have a 100% defined position. He was fantastic last year, but not everyone sees him as a forward. So not sure because of that how attractive he would be.

As for Goldsack he isn't really a KPD which is the drawback with him.

Cloke is the best and most valueable of the lot, so naturally they should go hardest after him.

But you just have to hope they all stay loyal to their team mates and not go after the extra dollars and possibly chance at a spot in their best 22 which for really all these players would have to be a consideration in whether they resign with the pies or not.

Let's hope they all resign..

 

[MagpieMonkey]

Would they target Nate Brown?

I wouldn't be dissapointed to lose Cloke, Anthony, Fraser or Wood. I think we have abetter team structure without Cloke in the side. It has been evident these past two games. The only worry I have is Clokes age. He is still fairly young.

 

[TradeDraft]

Would they target Nate Brown?

I wouldn't be dissapointed to lose Cloke, Anthony, Fraser or Wood. I think we have abetter team structure without Cloke in the side. It has been evident these past two games. The only worry I have is Clokes age. He is still fairly young.

Isn't Nathan Brown signed up for next year.

Dawes could also be a Danger of being loosed to the GC as his Price will be Higher then start of the year

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Would they target Nate Brown?

I wouldn't be dissapointed to lose Cloke, Anthony, Fraser or Wood. I think we have abetter team structure without Cloke in the side. It has been evident these past two games. The only worry I have is Clokes age. He is still fairly young.

Brown is contracted for another season. So we have another season to think about him fortunately for now.

Cloke is important to our structure in that he helps Dawes play better footy. The past two games have really shown how much Dawes has been missing Cloke if anything.

The only good thing about losing Cloke is that if he leaves we will get most compensation for him because of those players he is the only regular best 22 player. But he is also the hardest to replace and will leave our forwardline in a big of difficulty.

With Cloke it has been interesting how he hasn't really developed in recent years. He almost seems to have developed and peaked early and a bit like Fraser is stuck in what almost seems like an older body which brings the question "will he get better?"

All interesting questions.

Hard to say there is a "best player to lose." But I don't really want to lose anyone by choice. I see value in all those possibles because they all have a future in this team even if they are not best 22 now.

 

[Snag Breac]

They can't have any of them.

 

[PieBeast]

The Club should do everything possible to retain Cloke and Goldsack.
Won't be the end of the world if we lose other players mentioned, even though i'm fairly confident Wood will make a decent ruck one day.

 

[shawthing09]

The lose of Goldsack would have very little impact on the strength of our list overall. The key is if he wants to go that we use it to our advantage.

Wood's lose wouldn't be felt immediately but makes our rucking stocks fairly thin. If he was to go we'd need to make sure we get another equal or greater ruck prospect either via 3 way trade for Wood or in another trade I.E Goldsack.

Cloke is an interesting one he'd certainly be a loss in the short term but he'd fetch a pretty penny at the trade table. In the long run a fowardline where Cloke is less of a focal point would probably make us stronger. Considering we are in the middle of a premiership "window" you can't really go taking such a huge risk and hence we need to do everything we can to keep him. I personally don't think he is any risk of leaving.