Analysis Inexperience watch

[ZoBlitz]

How the hell does a team get an average of 160 games played!

Take a look at our 2004 grand final side (166 games).

 

[JasRulz63]

Take a look at our 2004 grand final side (166 games).

Apparently it was 170 games in round 22 that season. 18 out of 22 players with 100+ games.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Eight from other teams seems high but not extravagant.

It's not but they trade for experience. Stanley 140, Tuohy 201, Ablett 353, Jack Steven (not playing tonight) 192, Josh Jenkins (not playing tonight) 148, Gary Rohan 140, Dangerfield 265, Dahlhaus 190. You can add Henderson at 181 which makes 9. And presumably Higgins this year. Of course Selwood (306) and Harry Taylor (276) contribute to the average too.

 

[Jivlain]

View attachment 732930

• (0 to 10 games - Richmond 0 vs. Brisbane 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 3
• 25 to 49 games - Richmond 1 vs. Brisbane 3
• 50 to 99 games - Richmond 5 vs. Brisbane 6
• 100 to 199 games - Richmond 7 vs. Brisbane 8
• 200+ games - Richmond 5 vs. Brisbane 2

Extra stats:

• Average games played - Richmond 120.9 vs. Brisbane 100 (= +20.9 games on average)
• Average age - Richmond 25.9 vs. Brisbane 25.1 (= +0.8 years on average)
• Average height - Richmond 185.4cm vs. Brisbane 188cm (= -2.6cm on average)
• Average weight - Richmond 86.1kg vs. Brisbane 88.9kg (= -2.8kg on average)

View attachment 926655

• (0 to 10 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 3)
• 0 to 24 games - Richmond 7 vs. Brisbane 5
• 25 to 49 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 3
• 50 to 99 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 7
• 100 to 199 games - Richmond 4 vs. Brisbane 6
• 200+ games - Richmond 3 vs. Brisbane 1

Means:

• Average games played - Richmond 84.8 vs. Brisbane 73.5 (+11.3 games)
• Average age - Richmond 25.3 vs. Brisbane 24.3 (+1 years)
• Average height - Richmond 186cm vs. Brisbane 188.8cm (-2.8cm)
• Average weight - Richmond 84.8kg vs. Brisbane 87.8kg (-3kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Richmond 52 vs. Brisbane 58.5 (-6.5 games)
• Median age - Richmond 25.09 vs. Brisbane 22.99 (+2.1 years)
• Median height - Richmond 185.5cm vs. Brisbane 187cm (-1.5cm)
• Median weight - Richmond 86kg vs. Brisbane 85kg (+1kg)

Mitch our only 200-gamer this week.

View attachment 974915

• (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 1 vs. Richmond 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 2 vs. Richmond 3
• 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 1 vs. Richmond 3
• 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 7 vs. Richmond 5
• 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 9 vs. Richmond 6
• 200+ games - Brisbane 3 vs. Richmond 5

Means:

• Average games played - Brisbane 115.6 vs. Richmond 119.7 (-4.1 games)
• Average age - Brisbane 26 vs. Richmond 26.8 (-0.8 years)
• Average height - Brisbane 188.3cm vs. Richmond 184.8cm (+3.5cm)
• Average weight - Brisbane 87kg vs. Richmond 84.7kg (+2.3kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Brisbane 114.5 vs. Richmond 98.5 (+16 games)
• Median age - Brisbane 25.75 vs. Richmond 26.47 (-0.72 years)
• Median height - Brisbane 186cm vs. Richmond 183cm (+3cm)
• Median weight - Brisbane 86kg vs. Richmond 84kg (+2kg)

Comparing the last three of these matchups.

QF 2019	Richmond 120.9 vs. Brisbane 100 (-20.9 games)
R10 2020	Richmond 84.8 vs. Brisbane 73.5 (-11.3 games)
QF 2020	Brisbane 115.6 vs. Richmond 119.7 (-4.1 games)

That's interesting.

Median games played - Brisbane 114.5 vs. Richmond 98.5 (+16 games). Now we had an advantage on median last time as well (and certainly didn't get a win for it, but that's a pretty substantial gap now.

 

[LongLion]

A

Take a look at our 2004 grand final side (166 games).

And look at the way we started to drop off after that. Interesting to see how the cats manage the changeover.

 

[Dalions]

A

And look at the way we started to drop off after that. Interesting to see how the cats manage the changeover.

By bringing in Daniher, Crouch, Viney, J Cameron and is there anyone else???

 

[Jivlain]

By bringing in Daniher, Crouch, Viney, J Cameron and is there anyone else???

Heath Shaw would fit nicely

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

By bringing in Daniher, Crouch, Viney, J Cameron and is there anyone else???

Higgins

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - St Kilda 0 vs. Bulldogs 0)
• 0 to 24 games - St Kilda 1 vs. Bulldogs 2
• 25 to 49 games - St Kilda 5 vs. Bulldogs 4
• 50 to 99 games - St Kilda 7 vs. Bulldogs 5
• 100 to 199 games - St Kilda 6 vs. Bulldogs 11
• 200+ games - St Kilda 3 vs. Bulldogs 0

Means:

• Average games played - St Kilda 100.1 vs. Bulldogs 94.6 (+5.5 games)
• Average age - St Kilda 25.6 vs. Bulldogs 25.2 (+0.4 years)
• Average height - St Kilda 187.4cm vs. Bulldogs 187.9cm (-0.5cm)
• Average weight - St Kilda 85kg vs. Bulldogs 85.6kg (-0.6kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - St Kilda 92 vs. Bulldogs 96 (-4 games)
• Median age - St Kilda 24.99 vs. Bulldogs 24.55 (+0.44 years)
• Median height - St Kilda 186cm vs. Bulldogs 187cm (-1cm)
• Median weight - St Kilda 82kg vs. Bulldogs 85kg (-3kg)

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - West Coast 0 vs. Collingwood 1)
• 0 to 24 games - West Coast 1 vs. Collingwood 4
• 25 to 49 games - West Coast 3 vs. Collingwood 1
• 50 to 99 games - West Coast 6 vs. Collingwood 5
• 100 to 199 games - West Coast 6 vs. Collingwood 10
• 200+ games - West Coast 6 vs. Collingwood 2

Means:

• Average games played - West Coast 127.5 vs. Collingwood 110 (+17.5 games)
• Average age - West Coast 26.6 vs. Collingwood 26.8 (-0.2 years)
• Average height - West Coast 187.9cm vs. Collingwood 189.4cm (-1.5cm)
• Average weight - West Coast 88kg vs. Collingwood 88.7kg (-0.7kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - West Coast 109.5 vs. Collingwood 107.5 (+2 games)
• Median age - West Coast 26.48 vs. Collingwood 27.06 (-0.58 years)
• Median height - West Coast 187cm vs. Collingwood 188.5cm (-1.5cm)
• Median weight - West Coast 85kg vs. Collingwood 88.5kg (-3.5kg)

 

[ZoBlitz]

Doing the Lord's work, Jivlain.

 

[Nuggo]

Yep, thanks Jivlain for taking up the slack

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - Richmond 0 vs. St Kilda 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Richmond 1 vs. St Kilda 1
• 25 to 49 games - Richmond 3 vs. St Kilda 6
• 50 to 99 games - Richmond 6 vs. St Kilda 7
• 100 to 199 games - Richmond 7 vs. St Kilda 6
• 200+ games - Richmond 5 vs. St Kilda 2

Means:

• Average games played - Richmond 130 vs. St Kilda 91 (+39 games)
• Average age - Richmond 27.1 vs. St Kilda 25.2 (+1.9 years)
• Average height - Richmond 185.5cm vs. St Kilda 187.1cm (-1.6cm)
• Average weight - Richmond 85.6kg vs. St Kilda 84.5kg (+1.1kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Richmond 108.5 vs. St Kilda 82.5 (+26 games)
• Median age - Richmond 27.71 vs. St Kilda 24.93 (+2.78 years)
• Median height - Richmond 184.5cm vs. St Kilda 186cm (-1.5cm)
• Median weight - Richmond 84.5kg vs. St Kilda 83kg (+1.5kg)

Bonus stats:

• Avg AFL Fantasy - Richmond 66.37 vs. St Kilda 65.3 (+1.07) [101.64%]
• Finals played - Richmond 8.32 vs. St Kilda 3.09 (+5.23) [269.26%]

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - Geelong 0 vs. Collingwood 1)
• 0 to 24 games - Geelong 1 vs. Collingwood 4
• 25 to 49 games - Geelong 2 vs. Collingwood 1
• 50 to 99 games - Geelong 4 vs. Collingwood 5
• 100 to 199 games - Geelong 8 vs. Collingwood 10
• 200+ games - Geelong 7 vs. Collingwood 2

Means:

• Average games played - Geelong 159.9 vs. Collingwood 111 (+48.9 games)
• Average age - Geelong 28.3 vs. Collingwood 26.8 (+1.5 years)
• Average height - Geelong 188.6cm vs. Collingwood 189.4cm (-0.8cm)
• Average weight - Geelong 89.3kg vs. Collingwood 88.7kg (+0.6kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Geelong 158.5 vs. Collingwood 108.5 (+50 games)
• Median age - Geelong 28.96 vs. Collingwood 27.08 (+1.88 years)
• Median height - Geelong 189cm vs. Collingwood 188.5cm (+0.5cm)
• Median weight - Geelong 88.5kg vs. Collingwood 88.5kg (0kg)

Bonus stats:

• Avg AFL Fantasy - Geelong 69.36 vs. Collingwood 69.89 (-0.53) [99.24%]
• Finals played - Geelong 12.73 vs. Collingwood 6.82 (+5.91) [186.66%]

 

[jackess]

Would be interesting to compare finals experience

 

[Jivlain]

Would be interesting to compare finals experience

Fair point, edited in

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - Port Adelaide 0 vs. Richmond 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Port Adelaide 1 vs. Richmond 1
• 25 to 49 games - Port Adelaide 4 vs. Richmond 3
• 50 to 99 games - Port Adelaide 5 vs. Richmond 6
• 100 to 199 games - Port Adelaide 8 vs. Richmond 7
• 200+ games - Port Adelaide 4 vs. Richmond 5

Means:

• Average games played - Port Adelaide 122.6 vs. Richmond 131 (-8.4 games)
• Average age - Port Adelaide 26.4 vs. Richmond 27.1 (-0.7 years)
• Average height - Port Adelaide 188.7cm vs. Richmond 185.5cm (+3.2cm)
• Average weight - Port Adelaide 86.6kg vs. Richmond 85.6kg (+1kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Port Adelaide 105.5 vs. Richmond 109.5 (-4 games)
• Median age - Port Adelaide 26.3 vs. Richmond 27.73 (-1.43 years)
• Median height - Port Adelaide 187.5cm vs. Richmond 184.5cm (+3cm)
• Median weight - Port Adelaide 87kg vs. Richmond 84.5kg (+2.5kg)

Bonus stats:

• Avg AFL Fantasy - Port Adelaide 70.81 vs. Richmond 66.24 (+4.57) [106.9%]
• Finals played - Port Adelaide 3.91 vs. Richmond 9.32 (-5.41) [41.95%]

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 0 vs. Geelong 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 1 vs. Geelong 1
• 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 2 vs. Geelong 2
• 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 7 vs. Geelong 4
• 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 9 vs. Geelong 8
• 200+ games - Brisbane 3 vs. Geelong 7

Means:

• Average games played - Brisbane 118.5 vs. Geelong 160.9 (-42.4 games)
• Average age - Brisbane 26.4 vs. Geelong 28.3 (-1.9 years)
• Average height - Brisbane 188.6cm vs. Geelong 188.6cm (0cm)
• Average weight - Brisbane 88kg vs. Geelong 89.3kg (-1.3kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Brisbane 115.5 vs. Geelong 159.5 (-44 games)
• Median age - Brisbane 26.27 vs. Geelong 28.98 (-2.71 years)
• Median height - Brisbane 187cm vs. Geelong 189cm (-2cm)
• Median weight - Brisbane 87kg vs. Geelong 88.5kg (-1.5kg)

Bonus stats:

• Avg AFL Fantasy - Brisbane 66 vs. Geelong 69.47 (-3.47) [95.01%]
• Finals played - Brisbane 4.73 vs. Geelong 13.73 (-9) [34.45%]

 

[T Rick]

View attachment 987090

• (0 to 10 games - Brisbane 0 vs. Geelong 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Brisbane 1 vs. Geelong 1
• 25 to 49 games - Brisbane 2 vs. Geelong 2
• 50 to 99 games - Brisbane 7 vs. Geelong 4
• 100 to 199 games - Brisbane 9 vs. Geelong 8
• 200+ games - Brisbane 3 vs. Geelong 7

Means:

• Average games played - Brisbane 118.5 vs. Geelong 160.9 (-42.4 games)
• Average age - Brisbane 26.4 vs. Geelong 28.3 (-1.9 years)
• Average height - Brisbane 188.6cm vs. Geelong 188.6cm (0cm)
• Average weight - Brisbane 88kg vs. Geelong 89.3kg (-1.3kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Brisbane 115.5 vs. Geelong 159.5 (-44 games)
• Median age - Brisbane 26.27 vs. Geelong 28.98 (-2.71 years)
• Median height - Brisbane 187cm vs. Geelong 189cm (-2cm)
• Median weight - Brisbane 87kg vs. Geelong 88.5kg (-1.5kg)

Bonus stats:

• Avg AFL Fantasy - Brisbane 66 vs. Geelong 69.47 (-3.47) [95.01%]
• Finals played - Brisbane 4.73 vs. Geelong 13.73 (-9) [34.45%]

Thanks for your work Jivlain!

 

[Paul D]

At what point does experience (games/age) become a disadvantage?

 

[pauldrc]

At what point does experience (games/age) become a disadvantage?

Hopefully tonight!

Appreciate the effort Jivlain, always an interesting point for comparrison.

 

[Dalions]

At what point does experience (games/age) become a disadvantage?

At the Average age of 28 and 159 games of experience.

 

[luthor]

Sadly, the analysis proved to be correct.

We were vastly less experienced and younger and lighter than our opponents,

The writing was kinda on the wall

 

[Jivlain]

• (0 to 10 games - Richmond 0 vs. Geelong 0)
• 0 to 24 games - Richmond 1 vs. Geelong 1
• 25 to 49 games - Richmond 3 vs. Geelong 1
• 50 to 99 games - Richmond 6 vs. Geelong 5
• 100 to 199 games - Richmond 7 vs. Geelong 8
• 200+ games - Richmond 5 vs. Geelong 7

Means:

• Average games played - Richmond 132 vs. Geelong 161.9 (-29.9 games)
• Average age - Richmond 27.1 vs. Geelong 28.3 (-1.2 years)
• Average height - Richmond 185.5cm vs. Geelong 188.6cm (-3.1cm)
• Average weight - Richmond 85.6kg vs. Geelong 89.3kg (-3.7kg)

Medians:

• Median games played - Richmond 110.5 vs. Geelong 160.5 (-50 games)
• Median age - Richmond 27.75 vs. Geelong 29 (-1.25 years)
• Median height - Richmond 184.5cm vs. Geelong 189cm (-4.5cm)
• Median weight - Richmond 84.5kg vs. Geelong 88.5kg (-4kg)

Bonus stats:

• Avg AFL Fantasy - Richmond 66.1 vs. Geelong 69.42 (-3.32) [95.22%]
• Finals played - Richmond 10.32 vs. Geelong 14.73 (-4.41) [70.06%]

 

[Paul D]

At what point does experience (games/age) become a disadvantage?

Missed it by 1 week.