Rules Insufficient intent is out of control

[Drummond]

Just now a Freo player kicked it 40m up field to a teammate on the wing. Missed him, and it rolled out.

Insufficient intent paid. What the actual heck?

Just bring in last touch, like enough already, if you want pretty much continuous play just change the rule.

 

[StonesThrow]

Not 15 is even worse

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Just now a Freo player kicked it 40m up field to a teammate on the wing. Missed him, and it rolled out.

Insufficient attempt paid. What the actual heck?

Just bring in last touch, like enough already, if you want pretty much continuous play just change the rule.

Any penalty that requires an umpire to determine intent is always going to be flawed. The league would be better off with a rule that says if the ball goes out of bounds with no other player within 10 metres of the ball, then a free kick is paid.

That does however, require umpires to be able to judge 10m...which we know they can't do as they butcher the 15m rule.

So maybe just make it like soccer. If you cause the ball to go out, the other team get to bring it in.

 

[Dtennent94]

Any penalty that requires an umpire to determine intent is always going to be flawed. The league would be better off with a rule that says if the ball goes out of bounds with no other player within 10 metres of the ball, then a free kick is paid.

That does however, require umpires to be able to judge 10m...which we know they can't do as they butcher the 15m rule.

So maybe just make it like soccer. If you cause the ball to go out, the other team get to bring it in.

What about inside 50? Rough on defenders.

What about when it comes off a pack of players? Are we gonna be doing reviews on this?

 

[BigPond101]

Last touch would be a disaster imagine a pack of 8 players around the ball then it spills out of bounds and the dumb umpires have to determine who it came off

 

[Dtennent94]

What if they scrapped the rule and just included handballs in the OOBOTF rule?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Just now a Freo player kicked it 40m up field to a teammate on the wing. Missed him, and it rolled out.

Insufficient attempt paid. What the actual heck?

Just bring in last touch, like enough already, if you want pretty much continuous play just change the rule.

Yes, it has been working wonderfully well in the SANFL for the past few seasons, not sure why the AFL doesn't give it a try.

 

[Breretonisahood]

Last touch would be a disaster imagine a pack of 8 players around the ball then it spills out of bounds and the dumb umpires have to determine who it came off

But at least it is not a question of “what was the players intent”. It’s a determination of fact. They might have trouble sorting it out with 8 players around the ball, but many of these decisions are made when the ball trickles over the line with no doubt who touched/kicked/hand balled it last.

 

[Dtennent94]

But at least it is not a question of “what was the players intent”. It’s a determination of fact. They might have trouble sorting it out with 8 players around the ball, but many of these decisions are made when the ball trickles over the line with no doubt who touched/kicked/hand balled it last.

Maybe they could use the determination of ‘if in doubt, throw it in’

 

[Drummond]

Last touch would be a disaster imagine a pack of 8 players around the ball then it spills out of bounds and the dumb umpires have to determine who it came off

It’s only for a clear possesion. Kick or handball. If it’s fumbled over or tapped over it’s still throw in.

It works really well in local leagues and barely happens in a game, maybe 8 times all up.

 

[Fadge]

Not 15 is even worse

I love how umpires yell 'not 15' whilst the ball is mid flight, and it ends up going 25 metres.

 

[Fadge]

It’s only for a clear possesion. Kick or handball. If it’s fumbled over or tapped over it’s still throw in.

It works really well in local leagues and barely happens in a game, maybe 8 times all up.

Yep, agree.

Anything that removes 'interpretation' from decision making is a step in the right direction.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Not 15 is even worse

Definitely felt like the rule of the week this week

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Not 15 is even worse

They were literally changing their interpretation of it during the Crows game today.

 

[BF Tiger]

Yet Nick Daicos can just step over the boundary line in possession of the ball and it goes unpunished.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Just now a Freo player kicked it 40m up field to a teammate on the wing. Missed him, and it rolled out.

Insufficient attempt paid. What the actual heck?

Just bring in last touch, like enough already, if you want pretty much continuous play just change the rule.

Worst rule in world sport.

So dumb. So very, very dumb.


I saw a bloke kick it 40m and then an opposition player chased it to the boundary then sat there and watched it trickle over the line, making absolutely ZERO attempt to keep the ball in play. Not insufficient attempt - ZERO attempt. He was purposely not touching the ball, with his entire intent being to allow the ball to go out of bounds.

And the bloke that kicked it 40m away was pinged for 'insufficient intent to keep the ball in play'.

Utterly stupid rule.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Not 15 is even worse

"Not 15" is a perfectly legitimate and fine rule - it's just umpired poorly.

There's a few teams that the new 'crackdown' on it has caught off guard this year.

'Insufficient Intent' is just a stupid and nonsensical rule.

 

[Roylion]

Insufficient intent is the mot flawed rule in the AFL and the sooner it's gone the better. Far too open to different interpretations.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not 15 is even worse

Easily.

Kicks travelling 20 now deemed play on more often than not, which seems a clear attempt by the AFL to make the game quicker.

 

[marcus1232]

At this point me might aswell bring in the rule in the womens game to be honest

Just take the adjudication out of it

 

[ams4crows]

Last touch would be a disaster imagine a pack of 8 players around the ball then it spills out of bounds and the dumb umpires have to determine who it came off

Off hands would be a throw in it would only be last touch if it's a kick or handball rolled out of bounds untouched

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's a well-intentioned rule but it's utterly stupid. It's basically an umpire telling a player "I can read your mind".

 

[1970crow]

What about inside 50? Rough on defenders.

What about when it comes off a pack of players? Are we gonna be doing reviews on this?

Last disposal, so only a kick or handball.

 

[Dtennent94]

Last disposal, so only a kick or handball.

So it should not be called Last Touch. And this would mean it’s now fair game to paddle, punch, walk or watch the ball across the line without repercussion?

 

[deck]

Yet Nick Daicos can just step over the boundary line in possession of the ball and it goes unpunished.

Funny thing is at least twice on Friday night Carlton players running with the ball casually moved sideways when confronted by a opponent and went out of bounds. Didn't hear anyone call for insufficient intent.