Opinion INTERNATIONAL Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

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Eagleboy2011 said:
Is she saying women are not smart enough to know what's right and wrong.? :think: My opinion is they are smart but that's my opinion.
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Nope, only women that don't see life through her clearly fractured prism
 

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Penbo so on the money in this article...

And boy does he nail it almost to tee with old mate Kirky and the disdain he talks about these people.


Penbo: A focus on mainstream concerns won Donald Trump the election​

I wouldn’t have voted for Trump, but from similar experiences in our own backyard I can understand why so many Americans did, writes David Penberthy.

The continuing collapse of blue collar support for the United States’ supposed party of the workers is a cautionary tale for the political Left everywhere.
It’s a reminder that for progressive people the path to victory leads through diners and shopping malls, not wine bars, college campuses and company board rooms.

It’s a reminder that insulting people for disagreeing with you is the surest path to defeat.

It’s a reminder that glad-handing cashed-up celebrities in the belief that their backing will foster social change will actually achieve the reverse, by rubbing the average punter up the wrong way.
There is no way I would have voted for Trump but I am not in the remotest bit surprised that he won, and expected him to win.

I would also dispute whether his supporters are all a bunch of rednecks and bigots, as some on the Left suggest they are. With some unhinged exceptions of the January 6 variety, most Trump voters are normal people with legitimate mainstream concerns.

Indeed many of them spent 16 years voting for Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Were they rednecks and bigots back then? No. They are people who are worried by day-to-day things.

Being worried about the cost of groceries, electricity, petrol and housing does not make you a bigot.

Being alarmed about the collapse of order along one of the world’s longest borders does not make you a racist.

Being confused about the merits of free trade when your city has become an industrial wasteland because it can’t compete with China does not make you a moron.

Being sceptical about renewables when you can’t pay your power bill and can’t afford solar and batteries does not make you an enemy of the planet.

Against this backdrop of genuine grievances, a once broadly-based Left party in the Democrats looked more preoccupied by fringe PC concerns. This is a lethal problem for the broad left everywhere, where it finds itself being defined by its extremes, by those who think glueing your bum to the road is a valid statement against climate change, or that getting drag queens to read books to children an effective way to promote tolerance.

Affluence and remoteness are also becoming the source of repeated electoral defeats for the progressive side of politics. There is a chasm between the lives led by middle-class university educated people who support progressive causes and the working people whose support is numerically essential to implement them.
We saw it here last year with the Voice, where what could have been a sellable proposal to help the most put-upon Australians was lost amid politically correct gesturing by the big end of town, painted planes and all that, with cries of “racist” towards anyone who dared question the merits of the idea.

The best example of that happened in our own state, in the northern suburbs federal electorate of Spence, where the Yes campaign was born and then buried. Anthony Albanese came to Elizabeth to launch the Yes vote and two months later the voters of Spence killed it dead, returning the highest No vote recorded anywhere in Australia.

All that from Labor people to their bootstraps. Four-fifths of them telling the PM where he could stick his Voice idea while they worried themselves about making ends meet.

We can see it now with the deadest duck of all on the progressive side of politics, the Australian Republic, which has never recovered from its celebrity-driven campaign and model-related squabbling at the 1999 referendum. A republic is more distant than ever, even though the very idea of monarchy should be an offence to the less affluent, given its historic reliance on the unjustified acquisition and retention of wealth on the absurd basis of birthright.

When Donald Trump trounced Hillary Clinton in 2016 barely anyone on the Left saw the freight train coming. When Trump was running in the primaries he was regarded as the joke candidate. When he got the nomination the Dems and most in the media thought Clinton had it in the bag. The only two people on the Democrat side of politics that I can remember predicting a Trump win were the old-school leftie and presidential aspirant Bernie Sanders, and the documentary maker Michael Moore, whose home state of Flint, Michigan is now home to the smouldering remains of America’s once-great car industry. Both these blokes saw the result coming because they live among blokes with calloused hands whose wives do second jobs to make up for the economic hardships their family sustains.

The 2016 Clinton campaign epitomised elitism in that Hillary almost seemed to be running because like her husband she wanted a turn at being president too. It epitomised arrogance with her appalling “deplorable” sledge doing more to galvanise Trump voters than anything Trump said during the entirety of that campaign.
Fast forward to 2024 and one of the defining moments of the campaign, possibly the defining moment, came courtesy of President Joe Biden with his quip about Trump voters being “garbage”. I know that it was a response to the truly appalling remarks by a so-called comedian at Trump’s Madison Garden rally, but one of them is a comedian, the other the leader of the free world, ostensibly campaigning for his deputy but effectively driving a final nail into her coffin. The only excuse you can make for poor old Joe is that he doesn’t seem to know what day of the week it is anymore.

Bernie Sanders was campaigning just four days ago in Pennsylvania, railing against the blue collar drift in the direction of Trump.

“Working-class people are angry, and some of them are thinking about Trump!” Sanders said. “The current system is broken!”

Sanders was right. It’s a pity that none of his colleagues were listening to him this year, or in 2016, and are too busy bagging these voters to bother trying to talk them around.
 

US election 2024: What went wrong for Kamala Harris​

Democratic insiders have revealed the major failures that led to Kamala Harris’ stunning election loss.

Kamala Harris didn’t connect with voters and “arrogant” campaign staff contributed to her stunning election loss, according to Democratic insiders.
US President Joe Biden also copped a serve for not announcing earlier that he would not run for the country’s top job at the election.

Speaking to The New York Post, a number of unidentified Democratic insiders didn’t hold back.

“She was a s**t candidate and Trump made her look worse than Hillary Clinton,” said one source.

“Biden didn’t deserve that treatment and he got pushed out for an empty pantsuit. At least Biden beat Trump and Hillary Clinton had more balls than either of them.”
Another source, who claimed to have worked on five presidential campaigns, conceded he knew the race would be hard after Mr Biden dropped out of the race in July, paving the way for Ms Harris to step in.

“Others acted like they knew they were going to win,” he said. “They were arrogant.”

Campaign chairperson Jen O’Malley Dillon, Obama campaign alums David Plouffe and Stephanie Cutter were also singled out, with critics saying they misjudged what issues really mattered to voters.
One said Ms Harris failed to win the election because “people didn’t connect with her”.

“I think broadly the staff of Democratic campaigns are not representative of the country,” said one source.
Ms Harris was noticeably silent and absent the day after Election Day, but she called Donald Trump to congratulate him on his win before jher concession speech.

Ms Harris called President-elect Trump some time on Wednesday, local time, to congratulate him on winning the election, a senior aide told The Hill.
The Vice President earlier left her supporters stranded in the early hours of the morning as her watch party deflated from giddy excitement to the reality of defeat.

She remained silent and instead dispatched campaign co-chair Cedric Richmond to the stage to send supporters home for the evening, while refusing to concede defeat to Donald Trump.

“We still have votes to count, we still have states that have not been called yet, we will continue overnight to fight to make sure that every vote is counted, that every voice has spoken,” Mr Richmond said shortly before 1am.
 
adelaidecrows said:
My actual post election reflection based on the exit polls actually points to a protest vote more than Trump winning on his own merits. The economy I think is what destroyed Harris, with racism and misogyny playing very little part. The fact Harris had a nationwide swing against her from democrat voters pretty much tells you they swung to Trump and the economy was an issue pinpointed in the exit polls with 37% using it to justify their vote.

Harris never preached to her base, she never explained how inflation works and she never outlined the fact inflation is at 3 year lows right now. Relying on abortion and Trump destroying the constitution as your attack ads in an era of streaming services in hindsight was a massive blunder. People just want to pay their bills and have money left over.
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Add illegal immigration and this post perfectly describes the election result.
 
PeterSalt said:
lol .. yet voter turn out for whites in the chart is listed as 67 and 71% of the totals respectively

I'd love for you to point out where I actually blamed anyone. It's legit information provided from exit polls. It's not some random opinion

The interesting part was 18% swing from Biden in 2020 to trump in 2024 from latino men who made up 5% of total voters in 2020 and 6% in 2024

On the other hand .. lovely to see another pop-up sprinkler dancing in here post election result :thumbsu:


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Hate to say this but I don’t even know who you are, or quite frankly care. I made a joke based on the data you shared but please if it makes you comfortable, have a melt, strike out at everyone and enjoy the next 4 years
 
spenze said:
Hate to say this but I don’t even know who you are, or quite frankly care. I made a joke based on the data you shared but please if it makes you comfortable, have a melt, strike out at everyone and enjoy the next 4 years
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Fvcken lol .. what does knowing me or not have to do with anything. Surprise, I don't know who you are, and I really don't care either

You made a really stupid reply to my post, just own it

I accept you thought it was funny in your head
 
PeterSalt said:
Fvcken lol .. what does knowing me or not have to do with anything. Surprise, I don't know who you are, and I really don't care either

You made a really stupid reply to my post, just own it

I accept you thought it was funny in your head
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Really sad reply, maybe log off for a while
 

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spenze said:
Only cringe is your incessant running around the thread trying to one up people and not succeeding
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You mean kind of like what you're trying to do now to cover up your original shit post and your absurd follow-ups
:thumbsu:

Why are you projecting?
 
skam85 said:
Isn't this what jenny and the clappers tell us about the crows when there's a rumour or news article about something negative about the club?

Interested to see whether this is applied to the election of checks notes a country we don't even live in.
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lol true. But again, im not going to be all upset thinking the world is going to end. Miserable way to live your life. Especially if it never happens. If news starts filtering through of impending doom then I will worry. But part of me is also happy with this result. Because this may be the result that wakes the USA and Trump supporters up to what Trump is.
 
adelaidecrows said:
lol true. But again, im not going to be all upset thinking the world is going to end. Miserable way to live your life. Especially if it never happens. If news starts filtering through of impending doom then I will worry. But part of me is also happy with this result. Because this may be the result that wakes the USA and Trump supporters up to what Trump is.
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I'm still waiting for the second Great Depression predicted by one poster. ;)
 
BRL121 said:
I'm still waiting for the second Great Depression predicted by one poster. ;)
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Trumps economic policies dont exist. And the bit piece plans put out for public consumption have economists worried. So it all depends on what Trump does here as to what happens. If he gets sound economic experts to help guide him in implementing positive economic policies or will he just employ yes men who will do what ever he wants. We have to wait on this one I think.
 
Crow till I die said:
amazing

here is Jenny...

Opinion - INTERNATIONAL Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

Where’s OneGreatClub? What sort of a person takes pleasure out of somebody else’s sadness? Fair dinkum.
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Except trump said he would initiate a nationwide ban.

Yet here was Jenny

Training - Preseason 2022/23 Talk & Media/Social Media etc.

Wow we all feel so sorry for you having to put up with welcome to country 😆 That’s a bit like me saying do I have to put up with Anzac Day every year and all the ceremony around it , ‘it feels so forced and rammed down our throat ‘ ^ I don’t have any direct connection with being aboriginal or...
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

I think I’m like most people. Don’t want to see bullshit or misinformation. 🤷‍♀️ telling outright lies about something is not the same as having an opinion and sharing it. It’s - outright lying.

Amazing isn't it
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Has a long history of being abusive or playing the victim when called out on such behaviour too
 
Mr MysteryGuest said:
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Well we all know Trump is going to do a mass deportation of illegals and the camps is probably a legit part of the policy. But her linking to Nazi style concentration camps is silly.

Mr MysteryGuest Not sure why you laugh. If its about the camps, think logically. They need to house them while they organise transportation back to their home countries. Not sure whats funny about that or did you think they will be marched to JFK and simply put on the first plane out?
 
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Eagleboy2011 said:
And yet you were one praising Biden under who the world is now on the edge of WW3. Trump brought relative stability in the ME. No Ukraine war. China emboldened. Iran was broken, not a major funder of terror organizations. Biden took away terrorist restrictions on Houtis and others. This was to get the Muslim vote. He stacked his staff with pro Iran support.
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Still waiting for you to produce any recent quote of me praising Biden.

Anyone who can actually read in this thread knows i have said countless times he is more suited to a nursing home.

Going to apologise for being as honest as Trump...
 
Mutineer said:
Penbo so on the money in this article...

And boy does he nail it almost to tee with old mate Kirky and the disdain he talks about these people.


Penbo: A focus on mainstream concerns won Donald Trump the election​

I wouldn’t have voted for Trump, but from similar experiences in our own backyard I can understand why so many Americans did, writes David Penberthy.

The continuing collapse of blue collar support for the United States’ supposed party of the workers is a cautionary tale for the political Left everywhere.
It’s a reminder that for progressive people the path to victory leads through diners and shopping malls, not wine bars, college campuses and company board rooms.

It’s a reminder that insulting people for disagreeing with you is the surest path to defeat.

It’s a reminder that glad-handing cashed-up celebrities in the belief that their backing will foster social change will actually achieve the reverse, by rubbing the average punter up the wrong way.
There is no way I would have voted for Trump but I am not in the remotest bit surprised that he won, and expected him to win.

I would also dispute whether his supporters are all a bunch of rednecks and bigots, as some on the Left suggest they are. With some unhinged exceptions of the January 6 variety, most Trump voters are normal people with legitimate mainstream concerns.

Indeed many of them spent 16 years voting for Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Were they rednecks and bigots back then? No. They are people who are worried by day-to-day things.

Being worried about the cost of groceries, electricity, petrol and housing does not make you a bigot.

Being alarmed about the collapse of order along one of the world’s longest borders does not make you a racist.

Being confused about the merits of free trade when your city has become an industrial wasteland because it can’t compete with China does not make you a moron.

Being sceptical about renewables when you can’t pay your power bill and can’t afford solar and batteries does not make you an enemy of the planet.

Against this backdrop of genuine grievances, a once broadly-based Left party in the Democrats looked more preoccupied by fringe PC concerns. This is a lethal problem for the broad left everywhere, where it finds itself being defined by its extremes, by those who think glueing your bum to the road is a valid statement against climate change, or that getting drag queens to read books to children an effective way to promote tolerance.

Affluence and remoteness are also becoming the source of repeated electoral defeats for the progressive side of politics. There is a chasm between the lives led by middle-class university educated people who support progressive causes and the working people whose support is numerically essential to implement them.
We saw it here last year with the Voice, where what could have been a sellable proposal to help the most put-upon Australians was lost amid politically correct gesturing by the big end of town, painted planes and all that, with cries of “racist” towards anyone who dared question the merits of the idea.

The best example of that happened in our own state, in the northern suburbs federal electorate of Spence, where the Yes campaign was born and then buried. Anthony Albanese came to Elizabeth to launch the Yes vote and two months later the voters of Spence killed it dead, returning the highest No vote recorded anywhere in Australia.

All that from Labor people to their bootstraps. Four-fifths of them telling the PM where he could stick his Voice idea while they worried themselves about making ends meet.

We can see it now with the deadest duck of all on the progressive side of politics, the Australian Republic, which has never recovered from its celebrity-driven campaign and model-related squabbling at the 1999 referendum. A republic is more distant than ever, even though the very idea of monarchy should be an offence to the less affluent, given its historic reliance on the unjustified acquisition and retention of wealth on the absurd basis of birthright.

When Donald Trump trounced Hillary Clinton in 2016 barely anyone on the Left saw the freight train coming. When Trump was running in the primaries he was regarded as the joke candidate. When he got the nomination the Dems and most in the media thought Clinton had it in the bag. The only two people on the Democrat side of politics that I can remember predicting a Trump win were the old-school leftie and presidential aspirant Bernie Sanders, and the documentary maker Michael Moore, whose home state of Flint, Michigan is now home to the smouldering remains of America’s once-great car industry. Both these blokes saw the result coming because they live among blokes with calloused hands whose wives do second jobs to make up for the economic hardships their family sustains.

The 2016 Clinton campaign epitomised elitism in that Hillary almost seemed to be running because like her husband she wanted a turn at being president too. It epitomised arrogance with her appalling “deplorable” sledge doing more to galvanise Trump voters than anything Trump said during the entirety of that campaign.
Fast forward to 2024 and one of the defining moments of the campaign, possibly the defining moment, came courtesy of President Joe Biden with his quip about Trump voters being “garbage”. I know that it was a response to the truly appalling remarks by a so-called comedian at Trump’s Madison Garden rally, but one of them is a comedian, the other the leader of the free world, ostensibly campaigning for his deputy but effectively driving a final nail into her coffin. The only excuse you can make for poor old Joe is that he doesn’t seem to know what day of the week it is anymore.

Bernie Sanders was campaigning just four days ago in Pennsylvania, railing against the blue collar drift in the direction of Trump.

“Working-class people are angry, and some of them are thinking about Trump!” Sanders said. “The current system is broken!”

Sanders was right. It’s a pity that none of his colleagues were listening to him this year, or in 2016, and are too busy bagging these voters to bother trying to talk them around.
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Absolutely. To sum up the election this was an election decided by the dead centre of the politics and there is no doubt for a long stretch of the Biden presidency they preached to the far left and allowed them to run riot at the expense of the majority of Americans. All the while these same majority of Americans are paying a high cost of living, high gas prices and high power bills barely able to put food on the table for their children while a lot of the far left are attending college! And then the gall of the far left to punish majority of americans by threatening to cancel them if they didnt bow down to their needs.

Americans felt abandoned and Harris didnt convince them not to protest.

Time will tell though whether this was the right decision or not. But people getting all upset is just absurd.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Still waiting for you to produce any recent quote of me praising Biden.

Anyone who can actually read in this thread knows i have said countless times he is more suited to a nursing home.

Going to apologise for being as honest as Trump...
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It will never happen. Hit and run trolls dont come back in a losing argument. He is just hiding behind a favourable election result
 
adelaidecrows said:
It will never happen. Hit and run trolls dont come back in a losing argument. He is just hiding behind a favourable election result
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I respect posters who own their mistakes... but appears this wasn't a mistake but a blatant deliberate lie.
 

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