Opinion INTERNATIONAL Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[arrowman]

I'd like to know of examples of children that have been forced to change their gender. Because I have friends whose children have come to them and said they feel they are in the wrong body, and their parents have supported them the best they can, gotten them the professional support they needed and helped them transition if that's what they wanted. But not one of them forced their kids into it.

I didn't say "forced" as in against their will. I'm talking about when parents allow - encourage, even - their child to go down the path of drugs, hormones and even surgery, because "that's what they wanted". They are children.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Didn't they come from somewhere to be illegals?

So, the only reason you want them is they work for poverty wages. American don't know how to harvest food and serve food.

You don't want them to round up the criminals or illegals from countries that may cause harm to Americans?

How many illegals are due to American foreign policy that has led their homeland to be unliveable?

How many illegals have recently left Palestine & Ukraine?

How many Afghanistanis & Iraqis are living in Australia now?

If a country is involved in conflict in another country, do they have a responsibility for innocent people who have been displaced?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What is shocking is the footage of Israeli soccer fans being attacked was actually footage of Israeli Maccabi football club fans attacking people, and causing mayhem. In the footage that did the rounds on major news networks around the world it is clear as day that the people doing the attacking are wearing Maccabi colours. The person that filmed the footage actually came out and clarified that the footage was of Israeli Maccabi fans running riot.

The idea that there was poor innocent Israeli soccer fans attacked unprovoked in Amsterdam is a complete and utter fiction.

This is a classic case of most major media outlets grossly misrepresenting the truth & why need to critically analyse major news stories.

Once the truth has come out that the reverse was true, most media have done their best to now cover it up or go quiet. Clearly don't want to tell the story if the shoe is on the other foot... when should be reporting the truth regardless who was at fault.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He who is the richest wins. That's America. Always has been always will be. Intelligent Republicans know where their bread is buttered. Republicans with more intelligence shake their heads at trump and his antics, but they have to tread carefully because the whims of Trump could see them suffer in some way.

As for the 'woke' ideals ...gender transition medication and surgeries for confused kids? Boys identifying as girls allowed to use female toilets, and compete in female sport, and use female change rooms? Teachers not allowed to address boys and girls as 'boys' and 'girls'?... yes those kind of ideals. If you can't see that rational thinking people are opposed to that then I don't know what to tell you.

Can only become president if you are rich.

However, the Democrats spent far more than the Republicans on their respective campaigns..

 

[adelaidecrows]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/19/politics/linda-mcmahon-education-secretary-trump/index.html

It's hard to believe these people are actually overly concerned about fighting child predators when they keep hiring people like this.

WWE cofounder Linda McMahon, who runs Trump's biggest super PAC, once hired a suspected child molester on the condition that he 'stop chasing after kids.' He didn't.

The woman behind Donald Trump's biggest super PAC, Linda McMahon, presided over a notorious child sexual abuse scandal while she was the president of wrestling behemoth WWE, an Insider investigation has found.

www.businessinsider.com

Vince and Linda McMahon Named in New 'Ring Boy' Sex Abuse Lawsuit Against WWE

WWE founders “knew or should have known” about employee who allegedly assaulted teen employees in 1980s, per five new John Does who have come forward.

www.rollingstone.com

And very much going in on celebrity appeal at the cost of strong evidenced based credentials.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/19/dr-oz-cms-administrator-trump-00189456

Oprah has a lot to answer for. Hopefully Dr. Phil isn't next.

its an interesting appointment.

 

[adelaidecrows]

When he was elected the first time, Trump had the good sense to fill his cabinet with competent adults, who were properly qualified for the positions they were filling.

In his second administration, he's filling it with crazies, most of whom are completely unqualified. Indeed, the only qualifications they appear to require are a history involving sexual assaults (either committing themselves, or covering up the actions of others) and blind loyalty to Trump. Competence and experience related to their appointments appear to be completely irrelevant.

With a serious number of crazies & incompetents likely to be approved by a Republican Senate (even if Gaetz doesn't get through), it's going to be a wild ride starting in January.

This 100%

Trump filled his first cabinet based on the mantra of having the best and most qualified people and he did. But he quickly realised it didnt gel with his do anything he wants style and he fired them all pretty quickly and well the back half of his administration became a joke and it was a massive contributor to the poor economy results around covid.

So yeah he has filled it with loyalts who will do his bidding this time. Jury is out as to how bad it will be, it maybe nothing to see and a smooth and unremarkable presidency but you dont do what Trump is doing without wanting to really make an impact. What is that going to look like, well we are getting an idea.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I didn't say "forced" as in against their will. I'm talking about when parents allow - encourage, even - their child to go down the path of drugs, hormones and even surgery, because "that's what they wanted". They are children.

Are you for real?
I would say that no parent would want their child to be in that situation. All parents want their child to ahve a sense of belonging in society and seeing how such people are ridiculed and ostracised I would say parents would think long and very hard rather than ‘encouraging’ their child to go on a path of surgery and drugs. It would be a last resort.
So much focus on this by conservatives while Trump’s administration is a cesspool,of rapists and child molesters. This can ruin a child’s life yet MAGA seem utterly unconcerned and unfocused on that.

In fact they voted in a rapist for President.

One has to wonder why.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I'd like to know of examples of children that have been forced to change their gender. Because I have friends whose children have come to them and said they feel they are in the wrong body, and their parents have supported them the best they can, gotten them the professional support they needed and helped them transition if that's what they wanted. But not one of them forced their kids into it.

no one was forced. But there is evidence of parents and kids being strongly coerced into accepting being trans or one of the may other gender spectrum rather than dealing with there mental well-fair.

 

[OneGreatClub]

no one was forced. But there is evidence of parents and kids being strongly coerced into accepting being trans or one of the may other gender spectrum rather than dealing with there mental well-fair.

What evidence of them being coerced?

 

[kirky]

Haha. It keeps getting better. And in today's news:

• Dr Oz announced as head of Medicaid and Medicare Services, leading US healthcare strategy alongside RFK Jr.
• Linda McMahon, wife of Vince McMahon and co-founder of the WWE announced as Secretary of Education.

They join Hegseth (Fox & Friends) and Duffy (Fox News/MTV). Hulk Hogan to head up the Treasury and Kid Rock as Chief Science Advisor are surely imminent.

Is the plan here to form a Cabinet of the most qualified candidates capable of leading the most powerful country on Earth or to start a new reality TV show?

I don't want to hear another peep about the scourge of DEI and non-merit-based appointments ever again.

Think it is “The Apprentice Reboot”.

 

[adelaidecrows]

What evidence of them being coerced?

During investigations of the gender clinics this was one of the revelations.

gender clinics coercing trans kids - Google Search

They werent given genuine psychological help. It was almost like the USA was desperate to be seen to be so progressive, they failed the kids.

 

[jenny61_99]

Can only become president if you are rich.

However, the Democrats spent far more than the Republicans on their respective campaigns..

Did they though? When you’ve got the worlds richest man on your team…

 

[jenny61_99]

no one was forced. But there is evidence of parents and kids being strongly coerced into accepting being trans or one of the may other gender spectrum rather than dealing with there mental well-fair.

Where is this evidence? No parent would want this path for their child (given the hideous treatment of lgbtqi folk have to face) unless it is absolutely clear that this path is the one the child wants. I agree there should be strict guidelines but like I said no parent would want to wish this path on their child.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Did they though? When you’ve got the worlds richest man on your team…

Yes, the Denocrats spend was much more than the Republicans.

This is not a disputed fact.

US election answers the question: how do you spend a billion dollars?

The candidates have raised an extraordinary amount of money in an election awash with cash on an unprecedented scale

www.theguardian.com

 

[jenny61_99]

During investigations of the gender clinics this was one of the revelations.

https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...ate=ive&vld=cid:e2be8bd9,vid:pBPQw5VAjQ4,st:0

They werent given genuine psychological help. It was almost like the USA was desperate to be seen to be so progressive, they failed the kids.

There’s more to that story that meets the eye.

Families dispute whistleblower’s allegations against St. Louis transgender center • Missouri Independent

Transgender youth and their parents were shocked at Jamie Reed’s allegations. And they want officials to hear their perspectives.

missouriindependent.com

 

[jenny61_99]

Yes, the Denocrats spend was much more than the Republicans.

This is not a disputed fact.

The Republicans couldn’t tell the truth if their lives depended on it. You reckon they’d willingly tell the whole truth about what Musk spent?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The Republicans couldn’t tell the truth if their lives depended on it. You reckon they’d willingly tell the whole truth about what Musk spent?

Read the article from a decent source.

US election answers the question: how do you spend a billion dollars?

The candidates have raised an extraordinary amount of money in an election awash with cash on an unprecedented scale

www.theguardian.com

The Republicans spent far less money than the Democrats.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Yes, the Denocrats spend was much more than the Republicans.

This is not a disputed fact.

US election answers the question: how do you spend a billion dollars?

The candidates have raised an extraordinary amount of money in an election awash with cash on an unprecedented scale

www.theguardian.com

Well only having 12 weeks to get her message out meant lots of ads for a start.
Of course a lot of Trump’s donations were through the back door plus Putin and Musks free psyops flooding the zone would be worth millions if not more.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well only having 12 weeks to get her message out meant lots of ads for a start.
Of course a lot of Trump’s donations were through the back door plus Putin and Musks free psyops flooding the zone would be worth millions if not more.

The Democrats didn't lose the election because they had less money to spend, but how they used the more money they had available to get their message across.

 

[adelaidecrows]

There’s more to that story that meets the eye.

Families dispute whistleblower’s allegations against St. Louis transgender center • Missouri Independent

Transgender youth and their parents were shocked at Jamie Reed’s allegations. And they want officials to hear their perspectives.

missouriindependent.com

of course they do. Because gender dis-morphia cant possibly be a sign of a poor mental state. look, studies have shown 90% of trans kids stay transitioned 5 years on. But there are many factors as to why a kid may stay that way. Could be that they've changed schools and their friends dont know they are of a different sex. Its really too early to know what the true affects are of this period as we are only 4 years into it and a lot of the trans ids who are transitioning now are only in the early stages of their decisions.

But early indications are 7% of kids transition back based on a study i read. Which to me is a high enough number to suggest perhaps there should be more of a psychological focus first.

Gender Identity 5 Years After Social Transition - PMC

Concerns about early childhood social transitions amongst transgender youth include that these youth may later change their gender identification (i.e., retransition), a process that could be distressing. The present study aimed to provide the first ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So we have to ask ourselves, would it be the worst thing in the world to ask kids who identify as having gender dis-morphia under go psychological treatment for a period of time to determine their true struggles and any surgeries and drugs are held off until 16. The risk is way to great to place life decisions on 10yo because they dont want to go through puberty.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Where is this evidence? No parent would want this path for their child (given the hideous treatment of lgbtqi folk have to face) unless it is absolutely clear that this path is the one the child wants. I agree there should be strict guidelines but like I said no parent would want to wish this path on their child.

The surgery bit I agree with. When it comes down to it no parent will force their kid under the knife. However, there are a few celebrities who have suspiciously high numbers of trans kids that seem to like having their kids photo taken.

But parents have said that they have been alienated from their kids by clinics and trans groups for seeking help rather than just helping their kids transition.